Hcigar vt133 or therion dna133 Which to get?

[Beeker25]

If you are finding refinement is altering your resistance significantly, make sure the board is grounded properly. A bad ground can often cause resistance to drift. It matters more at refinement pulses because there isn't a whole lot of power being thrown around when the pulses are being done.

Alternatively, locking Ohms, as has been mentioned, will likely work, if the issue is ground.

SS is more finicky about this because its full temperature range is only a ~20% change in resistance. So 10% error from refinement on a low resistance coil can mean being a hundred degrees off. You can lessen the problem by making a higher resistance coil if you want.

I've noticed that just a one tenth increase in ohms from the cold setting makes the vape warmer. And since I've bedded this coil it has dropped that amount making it vape cooler. I'm have trouble seeing how I can get inside. The vt133 uses an odd pattern in its fasteners. I don't think an Allen wrench will fit 'cause it ain't hex.


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[Wingsfan0310]

I've noticed that just a one tenth increase in ohms from the cold setting makes the vape warmer. And since I've bedded this coil it has dropped that amount making it vape cooler. I'm have trouble seeing how I can get inside. The vt133 uses an odd pattern in its fasteners. I don't think an Allen wrench will fit 'cause it ain't hex.


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It's a Torx head. You need a Tork driver - I'm not sure of the size. I had to tighten up one of the screws on the 510 plate. I used the Torx driver that came with my IPV2S (I think it came with it - it fits the battery cover screws on the IPV2S).

Just out of curiosity what do you have the mods resistance set to? The higher it's set, the lower your coils will read?

If you screw the atty on when the coils are still warm (burning them in). It will initially read a higher resistance. When the mod refines the coils the resistance will drop. If the grub screws aren't tight it can cause the resistance to vary. If you are having this issue on multiple DNA mods, I'd look at the atty.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Beeker25]

Mod resistance = .004. Might need to switch it to 0. I haven't done a case analyzer run yet. I had to stop one late last nite after a couple of hours. Does that matter. Thanx for the torx tip.


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[Wingsfan0310]

The case analyzer could matter, It helps the mod to know what the room temperature is iirc. The case analyzer takes 3-4 hours easily. The battery should be between 1/4 to 1/2 charged when you start the test. When it's finished click on accept and the numbers will fill in automatically. It's very important that you make sure and click on "Upload Settings to Device" at the top of Escribe when you are done so you save the settings to your mod. If you forget that, it's a bummer (you will have to run the test again).

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Beeker25]

I'm going to do it now and get it over with. I've seen pics of the test and values are shown at the top of the screen. I don't know though if that's changed with new versions of escribe. I decided to lock the ohms for now to get a satisfactory vape though I know that's just a band aid.


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[Wingsfan0310]

I'm going to do it now and get it over with. I've seen pics of the test and values are shown at the top of the screen. I don't know though if that's changed with new versions of escribe. I decided to lock the ohms for now to get a satisfactory vape though I know that's just a band aid.


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If your interested, here's the numbers I got when I ran the test. Yours may very well be different so if it was me I'd run it.

VT133 Case Thermals

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Beeker25]

I actually read that before and that's what I'm using now. [emoji3] I really have researched this to death. Btw...Go Blue from UM grad. Did Sparta take a hard dry hit on Saturday or what. [emoji108]


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[Wingsfan0310]

I actually read that before and that's what I'm using now. [emoji3] I really have researched this to death. Btw...Go Blue from UM grad. Did Sparta take a hard dry hit on Saturday or what. [emoji108]


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It's always nice to meet a fellow U of M fan!. State took a hard dry hit with the cotton on fire . Go Blue!

By the way, here's a welcome screen you might like, if you don't already have it. It's on all my DNA mods.

I have Wings, Lions, and Tigers screens as well if you are interested. Let me know and I'll PM them to you.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Beeker25]

I'll stick with UM for now... at least until I can get amped about the other teams again. Thanks!


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[ShowerHead]

Reading that people purchased dozen of mods and gallons of nic prior to that date. Hopefully there was space available in their fallout shelter. Crazy. [emoji23] Btw I have binned the vt133. After thinking I've found a solution to my weak vape woes it reverts back to weak vapes. Hours spent on this and VapeNW gives you no support or returns.

I have used Unkamen SS430 with excellent results. Same for Crazy Wire NiFe52.
CW SS430 and SS316L both produced the no/cool vape you describe.

First, I'd set the device resistance to a good value. If you don't have a copper plug to get the exact reading, try 0.004.
Next, I'd run the device analyzer. I had so-so results on my first 133s until I sucked it up and ran that. Don't know why it would make a difference since what it measures didn't seem to apply, but it made the vape 'DNA' grade if you will.
Lastly, get some different wire and give it a try. If I had used the CW 316L or 430 as the first wire on my VT133s, I would have binned the mod. Fortunately, I had good wire and when the bad was introduced, I knew it wasn't the mod.

There's always a chance you got a lemon, but I can assure you that the VT133 produces a great vape using TC. I've got several of them and have used them for months.

 

[Beeker25]

I have used Unkamen SS430 with excellent results. Same for Crazy Wire NiFe52.
CW SS430 and SS316L both produced the no/cool vape you describe.

First, I'd set the device resistance to a good value. If you don't have a copper plug to get the exact reading, try 0.004.
Next, I'd run the device analyzer. I had so-so results on my first 133s until I sucked it up and ran that. Don't know why it would make a difference since what it measures didn't seem to apply, but it made the vape 'DNA' grade if you will.
Lastly, get some different wire and give it a try. If I had used the CW 316L or 430 as the first wire on my VT133s, I would have binned the mod. Fortunately, I had good wire and when the bad was introduced, I knew it wasn't the mod.

There's always a chance you got a lemon, but I can assure you that the VT133 produces a great vape using TC. I've got several of them and have used them for months.

Many thanks for the info. Going to the unkamen site the 430 has 20, 22, and 28 gauge (among others). What are you using? I'm going to need to rerun my mod analyzer. Last nite I set it up and walked away after I entered the ambient temp. And didn't hit 'start.' [emoji15] Wasted three hours. Btw have you seen any difference in using spaced coils or high ohm builds?


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[Wingsfan0310]

I use the 28ga. The 20 and 22 are too thick for my liking. The Unk 28ga SS430 is my most used/favorite TC wire.

The 28ga tends to be a little on the springy side. I just slightly torch the amount I'm doing to use with a regular Bic lighter (just get it to barely glow and move on down the wire). That takes the springiness out and makes it easy to coil.

PS This is the exact wire that I buy. I also think it's a good deal at 200 feet for $10. It's great wire imo:
28 gauge Stainless Steel Wire - 430 Grade Nickel Free - 200 feet - 100% Guarantee - Creating Unkamen

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Beeker25]

You all might be interested in Evolve's response to me.....
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We made some EScribe and Firmware changes to improve SS wire performance, can you try to download this version of EScribe and see if it prompts for a firmware update?

[I'm withholding this for now....don't want people pounding this URL since it might be a trouble shooting link]

You seem to be on the right track by trying spaced coils, however are you glowing or dry burning your coils after installation? If you are, can you try not doing this and simply going straight into Temperature Protection mode? We have noticed in our testing that glowing SS coils causes some form of change causing their performance with SS wire to be poor.
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IMO burning/glowing seems to emit some nasty smell. Which is another reason to do it. Now that stuff is going to bed into my wicking. Not sure I like this idea.


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[ShowerHead]

Many thanks for the info. Going to the unkamen site the 430 has 20, 22, and 28 gauge (among others). What are you using? I'm going to need to rerun my mod analyzer. Last nite I set it up and walked away after I entered the ambient temp. And didn't hit 'start.' [emoji15] Wasted three hours. Btw have you seen any difference in using spaced coils or high ohm builds?

I use the 28 gauge, spaced. Haven't gotten any high ohm builds, I wrap the same number of turns for various wire, so get different results with NiFe52 or the Unk 430.
I normally use a 6/7 wrap 3.5 mm ID on the last two tanks I've run on the VT133.

Don't feel badly, I didn't have enough time to get through the first one I ran, aborted it after 2+ hours.

 

[Beeker25]

I just ordered some unk 430. 200 ft so I suspect I won't need to order again. [emoji469]


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[Beeker25]

Weird. Case analyzer complete. Old value on left, new to right.

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[Beeker25]

Received an Efusion DNA200 today. Vapes great. Very nice looking mod. Different atomizers and builds using SS316L. All work. Which means that my VT133 is defective. I don't have much hope that hcigar will do anything. Been going back and forth with Evolve and they have been responsive. But I have my doubts it's a board problem. Might have a $100 paperweight. We'll see how Evolve responds to my latest email. VapeNW is no help at all. Will not order from them again.


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[Ed_C]

It's always fun spending time and energy trying to get something to work, only to find out that the reason it's not working is that it's defective. At least now you know. It's the disadvantage of not buying at a B&M. Hopefully you'll get some satisfaction. Have fun with the Efusion.

 

[Beeker25]

True that. Next time I'm at a B&M I'll see what they have stocked in the DNAs. I want to have 2 and use those for temp control vaping exclusively. They are so much better than any conventional mod I have.


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[Eskie]

The only drawback to a B&M will be the prices. These are expensive to begin with, the markup in a retail store may place it way beyond appropriate. You also need to check the B&M return/support policy or else they can leave you in the lurch as well. Finding solid online vendors who do stand behind their product is probably the best solution. I've never dealt wit VapeNW support, but I have with other top vendors and found them very responsive, especially for problems literally right out of the box.

glad the Efusion is working out for you. I have an Efusion Duo as well, and really enjoy the mod. I hope the VT133 gets worked out for you.