Well that is all well and good and glad to see Jack stocking them.
Now, since these are relatively new in the vaping community and as always there is always a learning curve to everything.
It seems that the original claims that these can be used on any battery that has a mAh rating of 440 or better, might have been a little pre-mature and conjecture at best. These attys were part of a magnum 510 kit, that was a stocked item at one point in time. This particular kit is no longer stocked.
The LR atty surfaced during vapefest as a promo with the "woody" which uses an 18650 battery. Now the 18650 is also known in the vaping community as a high drain battery and comes in various mAh ratings.
We often don't always get the poop, the full poop and nothing but the poop from vendors at times. IMO this is my take on the birth of the LR.
The vaping community has and was headed to HV, UGH more power like Tim the toolman would say. The "woody" was an expensive wooden box mod. A work of art perhaps, but an expensive box mod nonetheless. It utilized as a power source an 18650 batt, something the vaping community wanted, battery longevity between recharges. The 18650 offered that, but at the end of the day, it was still only a 3.7V device, mind you one that would last several days, but a 3.7V device nonetheless. So the magnum kits were broken up and the "woody" came with a LR atty. This offered the user a 5V experience on a 3.7V device. It was a success with all and the rest is history.
Soon after vapefest, the LR was made available to the public at large and has been a craze ever since. Many HV vapers are now stacking 2 x cr2s in the "woody" to get their HV device, nothing wrong with that. Whatever floats their boat.
It is widely known that I have a certain reservation wrt stacking batteries, it scares me. However, this fear as caused me to be cautious when dealing with LI Ion batteries, and why I prefer 3.7V. So the coming of an atty that promised to deliver a HV experience without an HV device was more than welcome. I had heard the hooplah about HV vaping etc... but I didn't want to go through the expense of an HV device if I did not enjoy the experience. HV vaping has it's place for me, but I would have to say I prefer 3.7V. Soooo, I ordered me some of those LR attys, and all I could say was wow. Now I know what everyone is talking about when they vape HV.
My original intent was to try them on my Stick, because the Stick although has it's place, the 10440 batt sucks. I was warned by seasoned vapers to stay away from the 10440 with the LR because the batt could not handle the load. Well the only other device I had at the time was my eGo. Hey it had a 650 mAh batt, well above the minimal requirement, so I gave it a whirl. Yup that definitely puts the eGo on steroids like Jack is famous for saying. I was lucky I did not particularly like the vape after a couple of uses, and left them alone for a while (couple of days).
Prior to their arrival (LRs) I was engaged in a pretty heavy conversation wrt battery longevity. Most of the stuff discussed was way over my head. I was pointed to Battery University, which only compounded my confusion, and that is saying allot since I am a Staionary Engineer.
The short strokes was that LI ions batts were not designed for the loads us vapers place upon them, and in doing so, would shorten battery life accordingly. Since I had built a 3.7V box mod, I decided to use that instead. The reasoning was simple math. The 14500 had a 900 mAh rating and cost $4, whilst the Ego batt had a 650 mAh rating and cost $30. If I am going to ruin a battery, I would rather ruin a cheap one rather than an expensive one.
I am retired so it allows me allot of time for research when it's not raining outside, which has been allot these days. Research is only as good as the extrapolation and subsequent compiling of information, to be of any use.
I have my opinions on why attys don't last for some, and last for others. This is especially true with LRs as well. But, I don't wish to address that here. I want to address battery life, more specifically battery life in conjunction with LR use.
The eGo/Tornado is a relatively new device to hit the community. Some don't care for them, whether it be looks, or whatever. Those who love them love them allot. There has been a rash of reports of batteries failing etc... Well that is OK, batteries do have a life expectancy like everything else. It seems though that the Tornado batt may be failing sooner than the eGo batt, and some are DOA. No worry the batts are warrantied etc... I do not believe the data as published wrt failure rates of one over the other, unless it's per capita. Unless it is, the data is useless, because both batts come fromm the same mfr. Nonehteless the information is coming in. Now to the point this long forward lead into.
The batteries we are using in vaping were never designed to be subject to the load we impose on them, period. Therefore, we can expect in all honesty that their life expectancy will be greatly decreased in the long run. This is compounded exponentailly when using devices that place large load demands on them. The discussion is now turning towards IMR high drain batts for these large loads demands, of which the LR do inded palce upon them. This is the discussion undertaken by the batt gurus out there. It isn't easy to follow at times. They speak the lingo like second nature, whilst we go uh.
In conclusion it takes time for something new to develop problems or problems to be reported. It is even more difficult to decipher the chaff from the wheat, because of all the BS that is out there, coming from the community in general
(the latter is a politically correct observation. The reader can read between the lines). There seems to be a lot of explanations that are just taken verbatim, and repeated. Who came up with the observation? A vendor or a user?
For those that have read my posts, have found that I was capable of matching devices with liquids etc... I made some pretty bold statements etc... why perhaps this is better than that e.g the Janty atty at $15, which comes from JoyE as well, so it should be the same right? Well the 2 attys that came with my eGos meter at 2.2 Ohms, whilst my regular JoyE stock attys meter at 2.5 Ohms and I will concede the odd one at 2.3 Ohms, but they are pretty consistent at 2.5. Please feel free to draw any conclusion form it. Why is it reported that folks who use TW as a source seem to experience a lot of DOAs, if all these components are coming from the same source, then why the large #s. This of course is pure conjecture on my part, because without the per capita data, the data is indeed useless, but something to keep in mind nonetheless.
I have been playing with a lot of numbers etc... from here.
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I found this old thread extremely informational. This is not an easy read. Originally I thought it only dealt with JoyE products putting out 3.1V although they are sold as 3.7V devices. I have read it from start to finish, and it all makes sense now. It further solidies my belief of why folks are experiencing pre-mature battery failures with their Tornegos when use in conjunction with LR attys.
Battery Voltages -- Surprise! - E-Cigarette Forum
That is all for now! The mailman came and I'm off to have an OOBE. TTFN
