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TallGrass

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Exclusive: Health Canada panel takes aim at energy drinks

OTTAWA — Energy drinks such as Red Bull, Rockstar and Monster should be renamed "stimulant drug containing drinks" and only be sold under the direct supervision of a pharmacist, an expert panel for Health Canada has concluded.
The panel's report, obtained by Postmedia News using access to information legislation, says stricter control of energy drinks is important in order to address consumer confusion, especially among young people who can now purchase the caffeinated beverages at convenience stores alongside sports drinks, juices and pop.
"This would more formally signal to the general public that these are drug products, not foods," the report, dated November 2010, states.
Unlike sports drinks, which contain electrolytes, energy drinks, formulated for adults but popular among teenagers, are boosted with caffeine to levels far higher than those in a can of cola.
The elevated caffeine content in the drinks, which are currently regulated as natural health products, allows companies to make a health claim that Red Bull and other similar drinks provide an energy boost.
The panel's drastic recommendations, presented to the government nearly a year ago, pose a dilemma for Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq, who has mused about tightening controls on energy drinks. The expert panel's suggestions are already running into fierce opposition from the beverage industry.
If the recommendations were adopted, Canada would set an international precedent for regulating energy drinks, which Aglukkaq would have to defend on the world stage.
Although available without a prescription, drugs classified as Schedule III under the National Association of Pharmacy Regulatory Authorities — this is what the panel proposes for energy drinks — are sold on shelves of a pharmacy "operated under the direct supervision of the pharmacist." They do not have to be behind the counter, however. The panel described energy drinks as "drug delivery systems in a beverage format."
Energy drink labels should also be revamped because "'energy' drinks is a marketing term and should not be used," according to the expert panel. The panel was comprised of Canadian specialists in cardiology, pediatrics, pharmacology and kinesiology who conferred with a doctor specializing in pharmacovigilance at the World Health Organization and three experts at the European Food Safety Authority before formulating its recommendations.
In addition to recommending the term "stimulant drug containing drinks" on the front panel of the product, the report says Health Canada needs to take the lead internationally by requiring warnings labels on cans stating that serious adverse events — including death — have been seen with these products, possibly due to cardiac events.
Steve Outhouse, a spokesman for Aglukkaq, said the report remains under consideration as the department works on a plan to deal with the fastest-growing category in the beverage industry. Seven million units of energy drinks are sold per month in Canada.
"We're looking to come forward with our plan, and we are looking at this as one part of the information that we're evaluating. The plan, when it does come forward, is going to put the health and safety of Canadians first. We want to make sure that people have accurate information so they can make good decisions about health," :laugh: Outhouse said Tuesday.
If the advice of its expert panel is accepted, Canada would set a global precedent for its tough stand on energy drinks.
The Canadian Beverage Association, representing many energy drinks brands, says this would be a big mistake, claiming the panel had invalid data and information to craft its recommendations.
Based on the panel's definition of drinks containing stimulants, all forms of coffee would fall into the same category, the association says.
"We violently dispute these recommendations," the group's president, Justin Sherwood, said after reviewing the report. "It's a completely unrealistic and flawed assessment if the matter is caffeine, which it is."
For example, a tall cup of brewed coffee at Starbucks contains more caffeine (260 mg.) than the caffeine in a standard can of Red Bull (80 mg.) or the AMP Alert energy drink (158 mg.). A can of cola contains 44.94 mg. of caffeine.
"The coffee shops are going to have to start hiring pharmacists," quipped Sherwood.
The panel, while acknowledging substantive safety data for these drinks are lacking, especially for adolescents, reviewed information about 61 adverse drug reactions related to "energy" drinks reported to Health Canada. Of the 32 serious reports, the report notes that 15 involved the cardiovascular system and seven of the 32 occurred in adolescences.
Following World Health Organization standards about causality, four serious adverse reactions were graded as probably related to the beverage and eight as possibly related. The panel also notes that three other reports, including two deaths, could not be assessed due to incomplete information.
"Even if the risk (probability of occurrence) of serious adverse events is expected to be very low, cases of serious adverse events have occurred. Therefore, due to the high volume of use, the risk of adverse events is considered to be a public health issue as these stimulant drug containing drinks are not being medically prescribed for a health indication. In the absence of real therapeutic and medically indicated benefits, the panel considers that the risks associated with the use of these drugs outweigh the benefits," the report states.
But the industry group said the panel received summaries of adverse reaction reports from Health Canada, rather than raw data. The department also expanded its interpretation of "serious adverse event" rather than adhering to its definition in Canada's natural health products regulations, the group says.:glare:
Energy drinks, currently regulated as natural health products, should be classified as foods, as is the case in other countries, said Sherwood.
Since 2004, when Health Canada made the decision to classify these caffeinated drinks as natural health products rather than as a food or drug, the department has issued nine licences for energy drinks, representing 18 products. Another 157 products, such as Rip It Energy Fuel, Monster Nitrous Killer-B and N.O.-Xplode Igniter Shot, are also permitted to be sold as natural health products while Health Canada considers their licence applications.
The expert panel was chaired by Dr. Noni MacDonald, a professor of pediatrics at Dalhousie University in Halifax.
Other panel members included: Dr. Robert Hamilton, the head of electrophysiology in the division of cardiology at Toronto's Hospital for Sick Children; Dr. Jane Shearer, a professor of kinesiology at the University of Calgary; Yola Moride, professor of pharmacy at the University of Montreal; and Patricia Malloy, a clinical nurse specialist at the Hospital for Sick Children.
The panel consulted Dr. Richard Hill, manager of pharmacovigilance service at the WHO, and Hugues Kenigswald, Majlinda Lahaniatis and Tobin Robinson at the European Food Safety Authority.
Before convening an expert panel on energy drinks, Health Canada had considered taking some drastic measures, with an eye to curbing the use of energy drinks among teens and children, but stopped short of implementing any of them as it considered feedback from its expert panel.
These included stop-sale orders and possible product recalls, according to internal records released to Postmedia News earlier this year under access to information legislation.
The records, from 2010, also indicate that Health Canada had also planned to announce new cautionary labeling rules by March 2010, requiring energy drink makers to add a risk statement on cans: "Irregular heart rate or rhythm have been known to occur, in which case discontinue use and consult a health care practitioner." (Companies are already required to state on cans sold in Canada that the drink is not recommended for children, pregnant or breastfeeding women and caffeine-sensitive persons and that it is not to be mixed with alcohol.)
The labelling proposal, considered alternately as "high priority" and "extremely high priority" in internal correspondence, stalled after the industry group questioned the scientific basis for the cardiac statement.

Its always about the children....
 

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There was a lady who died from drinking to much water when she was holding her wee for a Wii, should be ban water or have it regulated? or how about that guy whos peptic ulcer bleed out from drinking a 2L bottle of coke and died. should big Pharma regulate it because someone died? Over 100,000 million people mix drugs with Coke a cola, namley rum, rye, whiskey, Vodka. See where im going with this? You want Big Brother to regulate every move you make and everything you put in your mouth because some people are just to damn stupid to know when to draw the line? Why not just give us all helmets and we can all ride the short bus.
 

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They love to bring in children because everyone falls in line. Go against them and you are out to hurt the little children. Makes you look like the bad guy.

I am really sick of health Canada. Not just over the e-cig issue. I am just sick of them trying to dictate my life. I feel like turning into an anarchist. :)
 

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I'm with you Ian. The government likes to pass all sorts of laws under the guise of protecting us from ourselves. Common sense should prevail and not more laws.
Soon they will be wrapping us all up in bubble wrap and implanting our children with electronic chips in their brains at birth, because it is for our own good.
 

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I have 3 children and am concerned for there safety all the time.
However, I have the good sense to talk to them about stuff.

As as a example the kids are curious about my vaping so I discussed it with them, and I also explained that my e liquid and PV could be dangerous to them and that it is not a toy to be played with or a fun flavored liquid. They are very careful and leave the vaping supplies alone. How I love smart kids:2cool:
I take the time to talk to them about many things that they are curious about from household products to things they see on TV.
They even asked about some of the thing smoking can cause so we showed them and explained some of the health hazards of smoking to them. They now actively encourage their mother to use her PV full time and get rid of the stinkies for good.:laugh:

I am sure that many of you with kids do the same.

Now that said I have neighbors (low income housing program) that I have been able to observe that take a completely hands off approach to parenting and expect the state to educate, instruct, and guide them while they drink, smoke(and smoke;-)), go through multiple partners etc etc.- poor things-.

Anyway, my point is that many people go through life with a complete lack of a sense of personal responsibility and are more than happy to let others "guide" them on what is best for them and their children, as long as they don't have to think about it themselves.

My mother likes to call people like that "Sheeple" :lol:

All the best,
Wing.
 

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WiηgC¤mmαηdεя;4162382 said:
I have 3 children and am concerned for there safety all the time.
However, I have the good sense to talk to them about stuff.

As as a example the kids are curious about my vaping so I discussed it with them, and I also explained that my e liquid and PV could be dangerous to them and that it is not a toy to be played with or a fun flavored liquid. They are very careful and leave the vaping supplies alone. How I love smart kids:2cool:
I take the time to talk to them about many things that they are curious about from household products to things they see on TV.
They even asked about some of the thing smoking can cause so we showed them and explained some of the health hazards of smoking to them. They now actively encourage their mother to use her PV full time and get rid of the stinkies for good.:laugh:

All the best,
Wing.

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner!
I commend you for being a parent first and foremost before blaming "society" for the way kids are being raised! The government shouldn't be raising our kids, but rather the parents should have sole responsibility for that. If we, as parents took this same approach to raising our kids, we wouldn't need government agencies to "tell us" what is right or wrong or safe or unsafe. And we sure as hell wouldn't need the stupid warning labels on some of our products either, because we would be smarter.
ie: "Do not use toaster while taking a bath" and "Do not stand on top rung of ladder". What happened to common sense?
 

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Way too many people are looking for someone else to be the bad guy to their kids. Like if the gov't bans fast food they don't have to be the ones that actually say NO to their kids. That way they can be their kids best friends. It seems that for them it is too much work to be the parent.
My grown daughter told me the other day she was glad I was a hard ... when she was growing up:) She did stick her tougue on metal when it was -30 though:) school of hard knocks is sometimes a good teacher...
 

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I've always believed (naively) that regulations are supposed to govern things that the average citizen doesn't have the skills and knowledge to regulate for him/herself. You know - regulating to prevent illegal activities, exploitation, monopolies, dangerous drugs marketed as safe... that kinda stuff.

Instead - regulations are a vice - a bad addiction to an inappropriate desire to control people's actions and decisions.

I hate that.

It's like bullying - or spousal abuse. Someone just grabs power and gives excuses for why.

WHO has pushed for many of the regulations we're seeing develop in Canada. So here we are in our democratic country - following the dictates of some faceless, nameless committee that answers to no one.


...okay that's my rant for the night.

btw - I hate energy drinks. They taste like scope. But we can't "ban" every consumable product that might have some "effect" on some person somewhere. Or we'll be banning carrots and nuts next and eating our meals through straws - while taking proscribed vitamins to keep us healthy and prescription medicines to keep us alive when our organs fail!
 

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I don't know how many of you are aware of the flouridation issue, but in a nutshell, there's no sound evidence that it prevents cavities at all, but plenty of evidence that it is toxic. If you live in an area which puts this crap into your water, it isn't even sodium flouride like in your toothpaste, which is bad enough, it's the toxic waste version of it. So companies are making a fortune selling their toxic waste to cities which in turn put it in the water and poison their citizens.

So in the states they at least will tell you not to give it to babies. Health Canada, on the other hand, goes on record as saying flouridated water is perfectly safe for infants. There is no study by the way suggesting it is safe for anyone, and it causes all sorts of adverse effects, especially with young children. If they are found to injest even a small amount of toothpaste, for example, you are advised to call the poison control center. They can injest this much or more simply from drinking water.

So if there's any doubt as to how ignorant and corrupt Health Canada is, this says it all. I can't remember the name of the scientist who blew the whistle on the bribes that were given to HC to shove through adding bovine growth hormone to cows, but he is a hero, and thanks to that, we don't have all these extra hormones in our milk, along with pus and other undesirable elements in it, like they do in the U.S., where these bribes were obviously more effective. By the way, a reporter down in Florida for a Fox news channel once ran an expose on this, and they not only fired him, they succeeded in silencing him with all sorts of lawsuits, since the maker of the hormones does business with the station, and money talks and the truth walks.

Health Canada is worse than a bad joke, they are just plain corrupt, evil, and ......ed.
 

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KingCobra I agree with you.

I have made my case against sodium fluoride a couple times on this very board.

Ingesting fluoride and using it topically are two totally different things and I will stop right there.

I will believe HC is looking out for my health and the health of my fellow Canadians when:

- they ban the use of sodium fluoride in our tap water. (like in Western Europe, BC, Quebec)

- they ban all sales of foods and drinks containing aspartame, splenda and glucose-fructose.

- they ban all sales of genetically modified organisms in our food. (like in France)

- they ban all sales of meat, fish and chicken that have been fed GMO's, injected with antibiotics and steroids.

That is just to start.

Until then I am sorry, I cannot believe HC is looking out for my health and the health of my fellow Canadians.
 
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