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JoeMcPlumber

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Greetings and salutations!

The day before yesterday i walked into my local smoke shop,
plunked down $45,
and walked away from a 40-year habit.

Just like that, i don't smoke!

That's a miracle any way you slice it.

I should say that it's not quite that simple but of course
you all know that and i see that most of you know
that nothing ever can be.
But i should also say, by way of introduction
and perhaps to encourage some understanding if i sometimes seem
less than together,
i've got issues...
named issues; "diagnoses", and bags full of euphemisms as well.

It's not an excuse. Just an acknowledgment,
and maybe an explanation in advance
in the event that i don't make any sense.

So anyway i'm reading with extra interest the threads regarding
the correlation of smoking with mental illness,
and the other psychoactive chemicals, of which i am suddenly depriving myself.
I owe my delicate sanity to a delicate balance,
and now i've deliberately upset my equilibrium, but,

that's OK and it's a good thing,
and actually as S.O. points out, (after observing me at an entire day's research
into e-cigs, nicotine, and MAOI compounds in cigarette smoke, etc.),
there is indeed such a thing as Too Much Information
and sometimes it's better to set aside the intellectual analysis and
to forgo the invention of self-fulfilling prophecies and hypochondria,
and just see what happens.

It's all good so long as nobody gets hurt.

And to that end i wonder if someone around here is more than passing familiar
with the Envy e-cig and its idiosyncrasies?
I didn't actually expect to buy it so suddenly,
but having done so it puts me in sort of a pickle.

I'm rather stuck with it since it's the only one available locally
and i've already promised me, "never again" so i have to make it work.
I'm not sure where it fits in the continuum, and therefore what to expect of it,
but the biggest problem i'm having is inconsistency.
Sometimes i'll get a good puff of vapor and a nice throat hit,
other times i just.. won't.

I was told at the shop that each cartridge was roughly == 3 packs of smokes,
but then the website says one,
and i've been through six of them in approximately 24 waking hours.
This is clearly unsustainable a $10/pkg 5,
but in order to ensure i've always got a charged battery
i've got to go back into town and buy another starter kit,
which commits me all the more to this particular cig, at least for a while.

When i pulled the ...cotton-like substance... out of one of the carts,
it was very oily and strong.
So i'm wondering if maybe that particular one wasn't "empty" as such
and maybe because of the general inconsistency,
i'm getting confused between depleted cartidge issues and battery issues.

I think that my questions are...

1.) How exactly does the liquid get depleted? Is it a uniform process,
more or less, over the entire surface area of the cottony stuff,
or should i expect less vapor as the liquid "retreats" away from the atomizer?

2.) Do these batteries produce until they die, more or less,
or do they get progressively less effective?

I know that i definitely have a battery and/or charger problem because
it's recommended to charge for three hours
but the charger indicator will show full charge in 10 minutes
after the battery has blinked and died.
It doesn't help to unplug the charger and plug it back in,
still charges in <10 mins.
So i'm sorta wanting to theorize that perhaps i'm depleting my carts
by sucking away with a less-than optimal battery,
thereby drying up the liquid without appeasing the Nicotine Demon.

Anyway all that said, and said some more,
i will endeavor to be more succinct in the future and lest my point be lost,
i mostly just meant to say
"hello".

And thanks for being here.

- Joe
 

JoeMcPlumber

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Er. Just a quick follow-up... i just reinstalled a cartridge i had set aside as "spent" and i got a nasty mouthful of oil. Don't think i'll need to vape for a few hours at least. Definitely not an empty cartridge, yet didn't make any vapor.

I should mention i haven't done any mods whatsoever nor tried any e-juice as it's something i need to order in.

- joe
 

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And to that end i wonder if someone around here is more than passing familiar with the Envy e-cig and its idiosyncrasies?
I don't, but I'm assuming it is an automatic battery?
In other words, you don't push a little button to make it work, right?

Sometimes i'll get a good puff of vapor and a nice throat hit,
other times i just.. won't.
If you are dedicated to making this model work for you, and if you really do have an automatic battery, then here is my suggestion on how to go about getting the most out of it...

If you have automatic batteries it will probably take some practice to get it working good.

Stand in front of a mirror and watch the LED as you take drags.
You want to see how hard you need to draw on it to get that LED lit.
And you want to see how hard you need to draw on it to keep it lit as long as possible.

Most people recommend slower, longer draws.
I recommend getting a manual battery.
:)

I was told at the shop that each cartridge was roughly == 3 packs of smokes
No, you were sort of misled a little bit there.
I would say a cartridge is somewhere between 4 and 8 cigarettes, depending on the model.

I've been through six of them in approximately 24 waking hours.
This is clearly unsustainable.
Yes, you need to plan on refilling the cartridges yourself.
More information in the thread I mentioned previously.

When i pulled the ...cotton-like substance... out of one of the carts, it was very oily and strong. So i'm wondering if maybe that particular one wasn't "empty" as such.
It probably wasn't as empty as you would like it to be.
More information in the thread I mentioned previously.

How exactly does the liquid get depleted? Is it a uniform process,
more or less, over the entire surface area of the cottony stuff,
or should i expect less vapor as the liquid "retreats" away from the atomizer?
The latter, which is what leads to wicking issues.
More information in the thread I mentioned previously.

I know that i definitely have a battery and/or charger problem because it's recommended to charge for three hours but the charger indicator will show full charge in 10 minutes after the battery has blinked and died.
The blinking battery may not mean that it was dead, but it might.

If you have an automatic battery these things will also blink if you hit the battery cutoff.
That means the thing feels you took too long of a drag.
Unfortunately, the thing is probably wrong.
:)
 
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I'll let the experts answer your questions, but just wanted to acknowledge your post with a hello from someone who, like you, is familiar with the idiosyncrasies of a delicate balance.

If you're at all like me, the full effects of upsetting the apple cart are still a week or so (of no cigarettes) away. Warn your family, warn your co-workers, warn your neighbors, hell put an ad in the newspaper. It could get ugly. But hang in there... this too shall pass. I found chanting the Serenity Prayer at the top of my lungs with my ears plugged and my eyes shut tight really helped me, do not care what anyone else thought.

Hang in there, post here, everyone is very supportive.
 

JoeMcPlumber

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Hey wow,
thanks for all the replies!

I can tell i'm gonna like it here.

Sorry if i asked ignorant questions, i thought i'd studied lots,
including the referenced thread /and/ the posts complaining about n00bs who ask stoopit questions without reading the answers first.
Dang i didn't mean to be one of them.
Sorry.:oops:

Maybe i got ADD top of everything else.

@DC2 thanks for saying stuff you probaly said already a thousand times.
But anyway yeah it's got an auto battery and
three blinks means "i ain't gonna work no more".
And now i went and did something to the atomizer,
just like, fiddling around with some cottony-looking stuff
just under the steel-wool-looking doohickey,
and it's making vaporous clouds of nirvana.
Unfortunately i opened a new box of cartridges at the same time
so i don't know which did it.

@Ghalenlee i have a fairly persistent meditation habit
to help keep me somewhere near the fulcrum.
And other sorts of medication.
I just had no idea how very much i was depriving myself of
so very suddenly.
:confused: another week huh?

This has been a blazing ball of enlightenment.


Thanks again all,
-joe
 

JoeMcPlumber

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Well dang it seems i'm still too n00b to make new threads
but i was looking through the "Legal" forum and didn't see much about Oregon,
so i was wondering who might know what about
what the AG is up to here.

Here's his smug, self-satisfied and absolute rubbish of a perspective:
(O good grief i can't post a link yet either)
w ww.doj.state.or.us/releases/2009/rel081809.shtml

Today i called a local retailer to inquire after supplies
and was told that they'd pulled all e-cig products at the direction of corporate office,
who, (i was told), were advised that the products are "illegal".
The clerk thought it was the ATF said this, which i thought odd,
so i wrote the corporate office and asked who said what,
and i got a nice letter back said they would sell if they could sell
but that the AG is telling them they better not.

Note this bit amidst all the BS and distortion of the AG release:
The FDA has never declared e-cigarettes safe for public consumption, but they remain easily available throughout the country - except in Oregon, where the Department of Justice in July reached agreements with retailers to temporarily stop selling them while DOJ continued its investigation.

"Reached agreement", as i understand it,
means the ODOJ is sending out goons with legal threats,
a deliberate campaign of intimidation,
to unilaterally shut off supplies without any legal process at all.
I expect to hear from this retailer again tomorrow,
might anyone have advice i might in turn give to them?
I mean they don't want to p* off the state DOJ but
this is just wrong.

- joe

PS How come nobody here approves of mall kiosks? I mean i'm so inspired by this product and so p**ed at my government, i wouldn't mind making a big scene and a lot of money,
probably i'm naive but as there are no laws yet,
i don't see how i could lose
and the more converted smokers the better, yes?
 
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