help me, having debate with anti-ecigger

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Quoiyaien

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She claims that even though the water is vaporizing, the PG (denies glycerin is even an ingredient... :glare:) and that the flavours and propylene glycol are actually burning.. her argument is that its basic chemistry (which she clearly doesnt seem to understand)

I need some help with this as I have no sources or anything... I basically stated that there is no combustion as there is no flame involved. Only an electronically heated coil to a controlled temperature.

Seriously, this person is so ignorant it hurts, but im not about arguing, I want to inform her with sources...

Anyone?

Thanks!
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Foodacris:12009583 said:
The ingredients in e liquid are actually pretty flammable. If they were burning there would definitely be a big flame. Basic chemistry

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Yeah, it's pretty fun to soak some mesh in liquid while oxidizing..feels great when it spits on your skin too.
 

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There Chemistry and then there is physics... liquids can do 2 things with an increase of temp,
1, go from a liquid state to a vapor state ( e.g. boiling water)
2, go from a liquid state to a gaseous state ( e.g. water that has gone thru electrolysis actually torn the water molecule apart)

in our application the nicotine and VG/PG goes from a liquid to a vapor state ( very small airborne particles of the same fluid state due to heating) therefore no combustion process occurring.

Combustion requires that the chemicals/molecules combine with oxygen which produces heat on its own accord ( fire).

Smoke is the by-product of a partial combustion process. In a complete and total combustion process, smoke is not produced ( see natural gas combustion).
 

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You aren't going to win. If they can't understand that you are boiling the liquid then they probably had problems in school understanding the ABC's! Tell them to look inside their toaster and see the coils glowing if that would help..

Their logic would point towards burnt toast in this example. And burnt toast makes smoke.
 

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She claims that even though the water is vaporizing, the PG (denies glycerin is even an ingredient... :glare:) and that the flavours and propylene glycol are actually burning.. her argument is that its basic chemistry (which she clearly doesnt seem to understand)

I need some help with this as I have no sources or anything... I basically stated that there is no combustion as there is no flame involved. Only an electronically heated coil to a controlled temperature.

Seriously, this person is so ignorant it hurts, but im not about arguing, I want to inform her with sources...

Anyone?

Thanks!
:vapor:

Simple minds (like your friend's) require simple explanations... or demonstrations. So put a few drops of eliquid in a small dish or a saucer and use a bic lighter to try to light it. In fact have her do it, so she won't be able to deny the results. She will find the juice is not combustible, there is no fire after the lighter is pulled away and there is no burned residue on the saucer. There is nothing in the juice that will sustain combustion. But there is a vapor that will a have lovely smell that gets vaporized from the sample.

Kind of hard to deny what her own eyes can see. Of course, she will hate you for this since it would be impossible for her to continue a coherent argument.

I hope she's not a booty call... or you will have a lonely night after this. ;)
 

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You got a rebuildable? Take the cap off.

Press the button, vapour emerges. Let go of the button, it stops.

Now set light to some e-liquid. Remove the ignition flame.

Does it stop?

edit - Might emphasise the point if you put your hand just above the coil when it's firing. It might spit, but it won't burn you. Doesn't work so well with a flame.
 
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