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Hi. I'm new to the forum, and to vaping. This is my first post, though I've read a lot of posts here over the last few days. I wrote a post last night with a number of question in it, but when I went to post it my login session had expires, and I was unable to recover it. Maybe just as well- I asked a few questions in it, and it was pretty long (if brevity is the soul of wit, I am definitely not a very witty guy, I'm afraid.) Maybe it would be better to ask them in a couple of different threads, or at least a couple of different posts in this thread.

I've been a smoker for 28 years, since I was 12. I've quit a number of times, but never for longer than six months. Quitting really, really sucks, but I can grit my teeth and do it. I've quit cold-turkey, and with the patch, which helped a little bit, but not enough to make the experience even tolerable, really. My problem is that I tend to relapse (well, "tend" is maybe too weak a word) and when I do the unpleasantness of quitting is still fresh enough in my mind that I can't face it again very soon.

My mother died of lung cancer this summer (my grandmother also died of lung cancer, about 25 years ago.) She had quit smoking, about 14 years ago, but it caught up with her in the end. The whole thing was very fast. She lived only about 10 weeks after being diagnosed, which might have been for the best. For the last few weeks of her life she stayed at my sister's house and received hospice care (and I have nothing but praise for the hospice nurses- they were great, and if you're ever looking for a good charity to donate to I'd recommend considering your local hospice organization.) I was there for the last week. I've never had any doubt that lung cancer was a bad way to die, but there is something about seeing it up close that really brings that home. I've been smoking for quite a while, and it might be that even if I stop now it will catch up to me eventually. But if I stop now the odds will be a lot better, at least.

I quit for two months last Summer/Fall, but wound up starting again after hanging out drinking beer with the guys who live in the front apartment of my building. I couldn't face going through quitting again right away, but I was planning on trying again sometime early this year. I talked to a bus driver one day a couple of weeks ago who has largely switched to using a PV, and he told me where I could buy disposables. I bought a few of them- they were really disgusting, and very expensive, but I figured there must be something better out there, so I was just using them to get an idea of how much they would help. I stayed up late drinking beer last Friday night and smoked all my cigarettes. On Saturday I decided to start off with the disposables and see how long I could go without going to the store to get a pack of cigarettes. And I wound up not smoking all day.

Now, I have quit before, at least six times (I think it is Mark Twain who said "Quitting smoking is easy- I've done it a thousand times" ;).) And usually I am just climbing the walls for the first few weeks. The first day isn't actually usually the worst, but it's pretty bad. And the thing is- I was uncomfortable. The disposables were not entirely doing the job. But uncomfortable versus going out of my mind is a big difference. Uncomfortable I can deal with. And the thing that struck me was that this seemed like it might be a solution to the problem of falling off the wagon. If I were to start smoking again, but I had something that allowed me to be just uncomfortable when stopping again... well, I think that might help a lot.

So, in my enthusiasm, I went out on the web and ordered a kit and a pass-through from V2, without doing a lot of research. This is unlike me- I am pretty methodical about things, usually, and my work involves doing a lot of research before making judgments about what to do. I also come from an old Scots family that knows the value of a dollar. Anyway, after ordering from V2 I kept reading, and I realized pretty quickly that I had probably made a mistake, though I didn't fully realize that until after I had been informed by V2 that my order had shipped. Anyway, I didn't want to buy an entire different kit, but I knew that I didn't want to judge vaping based just on the V2 stuff, so I also ordered an eGo pass-through battery kit from cignot.com, along with a box of Boge 2 ohm cartomizers and a few liquids. The order was large enough to ship free, so I sprang for the priority mail upgrade (at $3.00 a pretty good deal.)

Both V2 and cignot shipped very quickly, so I got both packages on Wednesday. I haven't opened the V2 package, but I have been using the eGo passthrough (cignot sent me an eGo-T rather than the plain eGo I ordered- I am guessing they are out of the eGo and upgraded me for free, which is nice.) I had a bit of a disaster on Thursday night when I left the USB charging cable at my office- I have a hellish commute, so I only go to the office Tue-Wed, and work from home on Monday and Friday. I don't drive, and live in a place where that is not very convenient, so I wound up spending about 5 hours today going out and getting a universal USB adapter kit for $15.00, which is quite a lot more than the cable would have cost, but... oh, well. As a result I am not yet off of cigarettes entirely, but I am hopeful. I had 15 cigarettes in my pack when I got the eGo pass-through at 11 AM on Wednesday, and I still had five left at 7:00 PM on Thursday. I would normally go through two to three packs in that time, so that's a pretty big deal for me. The only reason I smoked as much as I did on Wed-Thu is because I was still figuring things out, and it was inconvenient for me to fiddle with the equipment while commuting.

Forgetting the cable made me realize that I am going to want to set myself up so that I can always vape, short of a prolonged power-outage. I am not rolling in money at the moment- I missed a lot of work this year, first because of my mother's illness, and then because I was really pretty down for a long time after that. I'm lucky enough to work for a company that lets me be fairly flexible about how much I work... but the downside to that is that I don't get paid for not working ;). I wouldn't mind having something like an 808 around as a backup, and as something small and convenient to carry around at times, but at this point I am pretty sold on using a larger battery most of the time. And the V2 stuff seems a bit overpriced for what it is, though I have heard that it is at least well made. I did get 25 cartomizers with my order, and if I returned it I would wind up having paid shipping both ways with nothing to show for it, but when I look at what a Riva kit costs, or what a Volt kit costs... well, I am considering just returning the whole V2 order. Wondering if anyone who has used V2, or has a better grasp of the economics of all of this has any thoughts.

I have a number of other questions, but this post is already very long. If you've read the whole thing, thanks for making it this far.

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Wow! You made a lot of progress in a short amount of time! Congrats! I vape V4L exclusively right now and really like it. The battery life isn't terrible, but I get tired of frequently topping off the cartos. I feel your pain losing family members to smoking related diseases; my father died of lung cancer 10 years after he quit and my grandma of emphysema several years after she quit. (She was 89) My doctor told me that whenever you quit, the outcomes are always better. Good luck!
 

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Well first off, congrats and welcome to the forum! I haven't used the V2 cigs, but I haven't heard that they are a terrible choice. For a slim ecig, I'd recommend the Volt from Smokeless Image (also an 808 model like the V2), but since you're already hooked yourself up with an Ego battery and Boge cartos, you'll probably be fine.

The next hurdle will be finding a juice that really does it for you. The general consensus here to get try sample packs from a few of the registered vendors here in different strengths and a variety of flavors to get an idea of what appeals to you. There is a bit of a learning curve to vaping, but it does become second nature pretty quickly.

Good luck and don't beat yourself up if you need a cigarette now and then. The more pressure you put on yourself to quit, the more you'll want to smoke.
 

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Wow! You made a lot of progress in a short amount of time! Congrats! I vape V4L exclusively right now and really like it. The battery life isn't terrible, but I get tired of frequently topping off the cartos. I feel your pain losing family members to smoking related diseases; my father died of lung cancer 10 years after he quit and my grandma of emphysema several years after she quit. (She was 89) My doctor told me that whenever you quit, the outcomes are always better. Good luck!

Well, if I have made any progress in understanding the very complicated world of vaping it is because I started reading ecf, and some other resources that are honest. I think I might just send the V2 stuff back unopened, shipping costs be damned. The only thing that makes me hesitate is the 25 cartomizers.. but for $130.00 minus shipping things back I imagine I can buy some more cartos.

I'm sorry about your father and your grandma. Smoking is a habit that tends to get passed down through families, so I'm sure a lot of ecf members (who are mostly smokers and ex-smokers, I guess) have lost someone in their family to a disease caused by smoking.

The next hurdle will be finding a juice that really does it for you. The general consensus here to get try sample packs from a few of the registered vendors here in different strengths and a variety of flavors to get an idea of what appeals to you. There is a bit of a learning curve to vaping, but it does become second nature pretty quickly.

Well I have yet to find a juice I like (not that I have tried very hard, yet.) I got my eGo from cignot, and I got a few of their PG flavors and.. I don't like them. The "USA" mix they shipped with the kit has a sort of sweet cocoa flavor that I find unpleasant, as does the "Turkish Blend" from the same line I ordered from them at the same time. But this is a very subjective thing. I'm sure some people love those mixes.

I ordered a few VG juices from them with my kit, but I can't get them to work in the Boge cartomizers. I haven't tried dripping them onto an atomizer or using them in a cartridge yet. I have cats, and I really don't want to expose them to nicotine. I am trying to establish a protocol for myself that will avoid that, and cartomizers seem the way to go. Maybe I need a syringe with a sharp needle to get the Boges to take the VG juices properly?

Good luck and don't beat yourself up if you need a cigarette now and then. The more pressure you put on yourself to quit, the more you'll want to smoke.

Thanks. I am hoping to give up the cigarettes entirely, but I will bear that in mind.

EDIT: I did decide to return the V2 stuff, unopened. The shipping costs, both ways, would be almost enough to buy a Riva kit, but... this frees up some cash I can spend on trying to find a juice I like. Hopefully V2 won't make the return process too painful.

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Not to throw a monkey wrench in your plan or anything, but I, too, ordered the V2 kit before I found this place. I used it for a couple weeks before I found this too and it totally got me off the analogs. Yes, they're overpriced but I still think it was a decent deal for everything I got. All those cartos, and I still use the passthrough (using it now!) It's pretty decent quality, but like any slim design pv the battery life isn't great. And I keep them around as back-ups. I've since ordered, and use, an Elite 808 and should get my new kGo tomorrow.. I don't think it matters what you start with, the more time you spend here, the more equipment you're going to end up with! There's always something bigger and better out there... btw,, my dad died of lung cancer too, almost 20 years ago ( I can hardly believe that!) and I'm just now getting around to quitting. I just SO enjoyed smoking.. gave it up a hundred times and always went back. For the first time ever, I feel like I've kicked it. I hope you find what you like,, this is a fabulous new hobby and it won't kill you!
 

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Welcome to ECF.

I'm a little confused about the nicotine and the cats. If you meant you didn't want to vape near them, you don't have to worry about that. You will be exhaling no nicotine, or next to none. The vapor is mostly composed of water, loosely speaking, so there will be no harmful effects from it.

100% VG juice will be very hard to vape in a carto unless you thin it considerably with a few drops of distilled water, or some PG which you can order online, maybe even from your juice vendor.

A lot of people find that 80%PG/20%VG works very well in cartos.

You can use VG juice fairly easily by dripping on the atomizer. First blow out the packing oil (it's nasty), then put 3 or 4 drops of your VG liquid on the atomizer and puff three or 4 times without inhaling. Then put a few more drops on the atty and you will be good to go for 7 or 8 puffs. You will be able to tell when you need to drop more liquid on the atty. Be sure to use a drip tip on the end of the atty so it won't be hot on you mouth. A DT also helps with not getting any eliquid in your mouth.
 

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Welcome to ECF.

I'm a little confused about the nicotine and the cats. If you meant you didn't want to vape near them, you don't have to worry about that. You will be exhaling no nicotine, or next to none. The vapor is mostly composed of water, loosely speaking, so there will be no harmful effects from it.

No, I am concerned about the liquid itself. I am satisfied that the vapor I exhale poses no significant hazard to my cats. But I also know that one drop of the 2.4% liquid I am vaping at the moment contains enough nicotine to kill a cat. I don't have good figures about the bioavailability of nicotine in a PG base, so I assume the worst.

My cats are very affectionate. They like to lick me, and I generally let them, though it is a bit gross. I am trying to establish a protocol for myself that is reliable, safe, and doesn't require that I wash my hands and swab down my entire environment every half hour. I want to be sure- absolutely sure- that my cats are not exposed to dangerous levels of nicotine.

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My recommendations to spare your cats the nicotine: look into some form of tank system so you don't have to fill cartos regularly, which will cut down your chances of juice on the hands. Alternately, preload some cartos (this doesn't take long, and you can put the little rubber caps back over the ends to keep the juice contained and fresh). So long as you wash your hands afterwards, you should be fine. I tend to do most of my filling of tanks/carts on a folded paper towel, which can then be thrown away... you may find that to be an easy option for you, too.

Until you're a bit more accustomed to handling the juices, don't direct-drip... or, if you do drip, do so in a place that's away from the critters, and wash your hands afterwards. Dripping's a great way to taste-test flavors.

Your cats may not actually like the scent of the juice on your hands, so you might not actually end up with a problem -- and believe me, they'll let you know if they don't like something, because that's what cats do. ;) I have hamsters, and my Syrian will dodge my hands if there's any juice residue on 'em, because her sensitive little nose can most definitely tell the difference. I do not, alas, have cats right now, so I can't give you personal experience with how they react to juice residue.

As far as the VG juice - as someone else suggested, you can thin it down with water. You can also take a while in filling the cartos by putting a few drops in and letting them sit to absorb, then repeating. This does take a bit, though, so you might be better off with just thinning the liquid slightly.
 

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I originally started vaping with a Ego T system. What's interesting is the moment I hit the button on my setup the cat would hear me taking a vape and would disappear. I think it made a sound that she just wasn't used to or it scared her. (She's a bit of a timid cat to begin with)

Anyhow as I have progressed on to bigger and better batts.. (bought a silver bullet) and started using cartomizers she doesn't disappear as much anymore. LoL :laugh:

She too is a cuddler at times. I just make sure that whenever I fill a carto up there is no extra juice spilled anywhere that she can get a hold of. ;)
 

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Cant find another thread for it,so i would like to ask here:which of the chinese e-liquids is best:Bud/Buddy,Dekang,Ruyan,Hangsen.

I wish I could help you -- but I tend to vape American stuff exclusively. :( That said, you might find you'll get better luck if you post this as a separate post in the new members forum, because that way, people'll see the question directly rather than it being tacked into a different thread. :)
 

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Thanks ladypixel. Very good advice. I think I am going to stay away from tanks for the moment, just because if they fail they have the potential to leak a lot of liquid. One nice thing about cartomizers is that they don't leak if you don't put too much juice in them, and that property is a matter of physics. Of course the bad thing about them is that I need a whole bunch to get me through a day... who said that 1ml of juice was enough for a heavy smoker? Also, I seem to have a gift for ruining cartomizers. Well, I imagine I will get better at not ruining them, and even if I ruin a boge a day it will still be cheaper than smoking.

I ran out of PG juice yesterday and wound up smoking lots of cigarettes. I've ordered about 120 ml of juice, another passthrough, and another 10 cartomizers from various suppliers, so hopefully that won't happen again. I am thinking about just getting getting some 100 mg/ml juice, some PG, and some flavoring agents. Actually, I am pretty sure I will eventually wind up doing it myself, to that degree at least. I will probably wind up mixing it at my office just to make sure my cats stay out of it though ;).

Still, I don't know how some of you go through 1 ml a day... hell, I go through that in a few hours. Maybe the LR carts have something to do with it, but... well I seem to need a _lot_ more than 1 ml of juice a day. More like 5 ml of high nic juice. But- I am a pretty heavy smoker, so it's not surprising I guess.
 

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I think it made a sound that she just wasn't used to or it scared her. (She's a bit of a timid cat to begin with)

Ah, yeah, you see I have three cats from the same litter who are about as obstreperous as cats can be. I switched them to an all canned diet a little while ago, and they _don't like it._ So they started popping the fridge open and foraging in there. I got annoyed at coming home and finding my refrigerator open and started putting a chair against the fridge door, but... they are strong enough to move the chair and open the fridge. I am kind of paranoid that a cat might get shut in there, though it is true that my cats show very little inclination to _shut_ the damned refrigerator door after opening it, under normal circumstances. I've been leaving my saxophone case against the fridge door every day before I leave for work, as it is too heavy for them to move...

Anyway, my cats are not normal cats- I think they are part Siamese, but they are all trouble.

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