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Hi I just registered today... I quit smoking 2 months ago; enjoying a whole new life now... I made the switch from tobacco to e-cigs thanks to a friend who gave me a starter kit one day...and a new store begun, now I;m even a "vaping" embassor in my country... :) but anyways...just wanna say Hi to everybody in this forum. I read that I have to post 5 times here ? is that truth ?
 

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i just registered. i'm have never participated in a forum, a chat room, tweet or anything like it before. i'm a bit nervous. but i would really like to know how you calculate how much money you've saved and how many cigs you haven't smoked. i've been trying to quite for years without success until i discovered e-cig. i've been tobacco free for 5 mos and 15 days.
 

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Welcome to the forum! After you've made 15 posts, you can click on someone's banner, and customize it to yourself. You can even trace back to the day you quit and add how many cigarettes you smoked per day, and how much you spent on them. It's a great way to keep up with it.

i just registered. i'm have never participated in a forum, a chat room, tweet or anything like it before. i'm a bit nervous. but i would really like to know how you calculate how much money you've saved and how many cigs you haven't smoked. i've been trying to quite for years without success until i discovered e-cig. i've been tobacco free for 5 mos and 15 days.
 

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Hi chekchild, well welcome, this is the best forum out there, I have been on for 3 months, and loving it, I am a total addict of ecig forum.. how much money saved? ALOT, and that is all that matters... dont be nervous, we are all humans trying to stay alive. or at least feeling good while we are alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy Vaping and welcome!
 

MarkC24

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Nice to hear Im not the only Newbie on this website!

Congrats on being smoke free! I have cut down tremendously but not cigarette free just yet. I'm doing better every day though. What brand are you using? I bought a starter kit from A1 Vapors they really do sell good products, and their not as expensive as all these other crappy brands you find out there. But good luck and congrats on the new lifestyle!
 
Well thanks for your replies.... in my country Vaping is not that popular , this is a brand new industry here... believe or not, vaping is not that cheap here, because of the customs importing process... :p ... 28% taxes + shipping. a pack of analog cigarretes is about US$3.50 and a pack of 5 e-nicotine cartridge is about $15... there are no e-liquids (yet) because you have to ask for pharmaceutical / liquids permission add $30 more...and so on....

I'm a V2 user mostly because cartridges are well packed and documented (and I really like their flavors) ; they're a lot easy to import compared with other more generic brands...and I save some money with coupons.

For us in latinamerica, analog smoking is really cheap, compared to guys from North America or Europe, it;s like the oppossite. it's crazy.
 

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Well thanks for your replies.... in my country Vaping is not that popular , this is a brand new industry here... believe or not, vaping is not that cheap here, because of the customs importing process... :p ... 28% taxes + shipping. a pack of analog cigarretes is about US$3.50 and a pack of 5 e-nicotine cartridge is about $15... there are no e-liquids (yet) because you have to ask for pharmaceutical / liquids permission add $30 more...and so on....

I'm a V2 user mostly because cartridges are well packed and documented (and I really like their flavors) ; they're a lot easy to import compared with other more generic brands...and I save some money with coupons.

For us in latinamerica, analog smoking is really cheap, compared to guys from North America or Europe, it;s like the oppossite. it's crazy.

Woah. Suddenly I feel a lot better about the situation in my country. Honestly, I'm not sure I would have switched with those economics.

Double congratulations to you for taking on the extra hassle and expense!
 
Yes it's crazy, but you know, it's all about business and money, obviously, tobacco and alcohol is cheap here... why, well because owners and investors of these big tobacco producers, beer brewers and others are all happy together with the congress people, government, etc. having wild parties in their yachts .....easy to understand. I don't think they like the idea of small business selling e-cigs / e-liquid while their business goes down. c'mon. people dies everyday ( lung cancer mostly) , and we're short on hospitals / oncologists... again crazy.

So tell me, what's going on in Canada? why did they ban e-nic ? as far as I know... ( I might be wrong ) a friend of mine told me you buy tobacco, alcohol and even those dried sleeves who make people peace and love all the time on a legal way. is that truth ? if so, I smell some double morality around...And don;t get me wrong... I'm just curious.
 

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Yes it's crazy, but you know, it's all about business and money, obviously, tobacco and alcohol is cheap here... why, well because owners and investors of these big tobacco producers, beer brewers and others are all happy together with the congress people, government, etc. having wild parties in their yachts .....easy to understand. I don't think they like the idea of small business selling e-cigs / e-liquid while their business goes down. c'mon. people dies everyday ( lung cancer mostly) , and we're short on hospitals / oncologists... again crazy.
Corruption in government is a universal thing that brings us all together :) It's less blatant, and perhaps not that extensive, here, but there are lobby groups and industrialists that are maybe too cozy with politicians, etc. Overall, I think we have more "honest" politicians than not, but you do find abuses of the system.

So tell me, what's going on in Canada? why did they ban e-nic ? as far as I know... ( I might be wrong ) a friend of mine told me you buy tobacco, alcohol and even those dried sleeves who make people peace and love all the time on a legal way. is that truth ? if so, I smell some double morality around...And don;t get me wrong... I'm just curious.

This could get to be a loooong comment, but I'll try to summarize. This is just my understanding of things.

Health Canada banned liquid with nicotine in (I think) 2009. The rationale was that nicotine is addictive and misuse can lead to overdose. Obviously, we can buy cigarettes, nicotine patches and gum, so I don't think that's the whole story. Health Canada is responsible for making sure that any device or substance about which a medical claim (such as "helps you quit smoking") is made can back that up with scientific study. I would understand the ban much better if they said that e-cigarettes with nicotine are an unproven device and they could not make medical claims about it. That would be a position consistent with how they treat other devices and substances.

It is pure speculation on my part, but I think that a major factor in banning nic juice is the anti-smoking lobby and sentiment. There has been a decades long campaign against smoking here, and for many years it was successful in reducing smoking rates. It's now seen as socially unacceptable. Not on the level of being a drug addict, but there is an attitude that it's a moral failing if you're a smoker. The anti-smoking lobby started going further, pushing into scientifically unproven territory. Things like "third hand smoke", the idea that it's actually dangerous to be in a car or room that someone has *previously* smoked in. This has been less successful, and smoking rates have pretty much leveled off.

One of the other effects of the anti-smoking lobby is very high tax rates on cigarettes. The idea is that higher tobacco costs lead to quitting. Currently, approximately 70% of the cost of a pack of cigarettes is tax (this varies by province).

So, to answer your question, yes, tobacco and alcohol are legal, although heavily taxed. That "other thing" is not legal, although you will only receive a fine for "personal use" amounts.

It definitely *is* a double standard, as far as tobacco, nicotine patches and gum and nic juice goes. Some speculate that the government doesn't really want to get people to quit smoking because of the large tax revenue, some that pharmaceutical companies that sell stop-smoking devices (and have a *terrible* success rate) are pushing the government to keep e-cigs out of the market so they can keep selling their products.

There may be some truth to all of that, although I don't think it's a big conspriacy. I think that the actual laws are often made by people who don't have a complete understanding of the nature of addiction, that there is very little political will power to legalize e-cigs (because of the anti-smoking lobby) and the fact that policy can just take a long time to catch up to reality.

TL;DR: lots of anti-smoking sentiment, many don't think e-cigs are different than smoking, and there's a lot of money in stop-smoking products.

Whew! Sorry, really did not mean to make that so long!

A question of my own: how do people view smoking in El Salvador? Here it's frowned on, but it sounds more acceptable there? Is there an anti-smoking movement?
 
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