Hi! I'm here to get facts
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First, there is no smoke. Smoke comes from combustion and we don't do that
Second, vaping is less harmful than smoking but not risk free.
Third, why would you want to start vaping as a non-smoker? (not judging just curious)
Second, vaping is less harmful than smoking but not risk free.
Third, why would you want to start vaping as a non-smoker? (not judging just curious)
I'm mostly just curious about vaping since people I know vape.
Vaping is more for smokers looking for a way to quit or for smokers to have a safer alternative to cigarettes but still getting their nicotine. I would never recommend a non smoker to pick up vaping, not only the health risks (even though its less risky than smoking, it isn't a healthy habit) but it is also fairly costly (especially to a non smoker, to a smoker you are just spending what you would normally spend on cigarettes so it isn't that noticeable of a transition but to a non smoker it is a whole new expense).
Yeah, I wouldn't recommend it either. But I also don't oppose it. Adults (which I hope OP is one of) can make an informed decision on what risks they're willing to take and judge whether it's worth it to them.
Eg I know a girl with a couple of dietary restrictions due to illnesses and medications, she never smoked and vapes to have fun with flavors (she doesn't use nicotine).
Even if someone is willing to pick up nicotine I won't go out of my way to prevent them from doing so.
So youneedtochell, if you're indeed an adult and can't help but try a vape just to see what it's like - why not try it from one of those people you know that vape? Best without nicotine if that's not something you explicitly want.
If you're not a person particularly prone to addictions I don't think you'd get hooked anyways but if you don't want it there's no need to find out. You could get a small bottle of nic free juice and ask your friends for a device to test.
Or you could decide right away it's not that attractive after all and give up on it
I completely agree, I do not recommend it but I am not judging or trying to push them away. I just wanted to point out the two issues (health and cost) that everyone should consider before starting.Yeah, I wouldn't recommend it either. But I also don't oppose it. Adults (which I hope OP is one of) can make an informed decision on what risks they're willing to take and judge whether it's worth it to them.
Eg I know a girl with a couple of dietary restrictions due to illnesses and medications, she never smoked and vapes to have fun with flavors (she doesn't use nicotine).
Even if someone is willing to pick up nicotine I won't go out of my way to prevent them from doing so.
So youneedtochell, if you're indeed an adult and can't help but try a vape just to see what it's like - why not try it from one of those people you know that vape? Best without nicotine if that's not something you explicitly want.
If you're not a person particularly prone to addictions I don't think you'd get hooked anyways but if you don't want it there's no need to find out. You could get a small bottle of nic free juice and ask your friends for a device to test.
Or you could decide right away it's not that attractive after all and give up on it
The problem from a health perspective is that we don't really know what the long-term effects of vaping are. It simply hasn't been around long enough - especially in its current form - to find out. We do know that it involves inhaling stuff we aren't meant to inhale, so it's safe to say it's better not to vape than to vape.
At the same time, when we combine the limited information we have on vaping with what we know about smoking, it also seems pretty safe to say that vaping is an awful lot less harmful than smoking.
I would also advise a non-smoker not to take up vaping. However, before vaping existed there were (and there still are now) people who start smoking. If someone makes the unwise decision (I don't mean to judge too harshly - I'm one of the ones who started smoking, after all) to get involved with inhaling things other than air, I'd much rather they started vaping than smoking.
At the same time, when we combine the limited information we have on vaping with what we know about smoking, it also seems pretty safe to say that vaping is an awful lot less harmful than smoking.
I would also advise a non-smoker not to take up vaping. However, before vaping existed there were (and there still are now) people who start smoking. If someone makes the unwise decision (I don't mean to judge too harshly - I'm one of the ones who started smoking, after all) to get involved with inhaling things other than air, I'd much rather they started vaping than smoking.
It's all relative. There's many hobbies more dangerous than vaping. Like wingsuit flying, your risk is to pancake yourself on a rock face. To some it's still worth it.
A good friend of mine I knew since I was 10 died at age 35 while paragliding when the wing collapsed 20m above ground. He was also a heavy smoker but that turned out to not matter.
There's a virtually endless list of things people do for recreation that have inherent risks they're willing to take.
As long as they're aware of those risks and consciously decide to do it anyways - it's their life in the end.
A good friend of mine I knew since I was 10 died at age 35 while paragliding when the wing collapsed 20m above ground. He was also a heavy smoker but that turned out to not matter.
There's a virtually endless list of things people do for recreation that have inherent risks they're willing to take.
As long as they're aware of those risks and consciously decide to do it anyways - it's their life in the end.
Having made a few bad choices in the past, I completely agree with @untar. At least YO is going about it the right way; asking questions first. As a dual user, vaping is mostly a fun habit for me. And without any thoughtful effort, I've cut my smoking in half. The OP also doesn't have any need of adding nicotine to the equation.
The only warning I would add is... Shinyitis is a real thing and probably more addictive than 0 nicotine vaping.
The only warning I would add is... Shinyitis is a real thing and probably more addictive than 0 nicotine vaping.
This is pretty much what I was going to post. Ask your friends for liquid recommendations that you'll like, then get a bottle in 0 nic and try it on their device. It's possible one of your friends even has some 0 nic juice around (I buy 0 nic if it's what the store has and add my own nic, so could set aside some 0 for someone to try).
No, it's not "healthy", but it's better for you than eating the junk food treats a lot of liquids taste like.
I don't feel non-smokers vaping is something I need to really advise against as long as they stick to 0 nic liquids. This lets people do it casually for fun without risk of physical addiction, something impossible with tobacco products.
One thing that is conclusive about vaping is that it illustrates/highlights, in contrast, just how harmful cigarettes are.
If someone has decided that they want to take up a vice, making a choice from a large handful of options legal or not, then maybe vaping may scatch that itch.
If someone has decided that they want to take up a vice, making a choice from a large handful of options legal or not, then maybe vaping may scatch that itch.
I am just, again, starting to teach 20-somethings and noticing the number of Vapers. The idea of vaping occasionally comes up and I just speak of my own experience of vaping to get away from smoking. It worked great, that is the gist.
I do still vape, often to push myself to take breaks and just relax. With the presence of so many chemicals and negative impurities in the air, I don't see a strong issue with vaping. I see the idea of stopping work and relaxing as much more beneficial.
As to costs, I see it as another hobby. All hobbies are not cheap. I was a personal photographer in my early days and that costs. I am a collector and that costs, too. Gardening, barbecuing, doing any interest does not come cheaply.
I see vaping more as therapeutic now. I do, also, make my own juice, so there is a bit of hobby there, too.
Really, just up to the individual. Always spend money wisely. All hobbies cost.
I do still vape, often to push myself to take breaks and just relax. With the presence of so many chemicals and negative impurities in the air, I don't see a strong issue with vaping. I see the idea of stopping work and relaxing as much more beneficial.
As to costs, I see it as another hobby. All hobbies are not cheap. I was a personal photographer in my early days and that costs. I am a collector and that costs, too. Gardening, barbecuing, doing any interest does not come cheaply.
I see vaping more as therapeutic now. I do, also, make my own juice, so there is a bit of hobby there, too.
Really, just up to the individual. Always spend money wisely. All hobbies cost.
Will you choke on the smoke ?
S'alright my wife calls it smoke and she's right about everything.
Yeah you'll choke .
No doubt somewhere down the line you had a drag on something.
The sensation of the vapour going down your throat will probably make you involuntarily choke. It will pass.
Just as your first taste of strong liquor made you feel like your throat was on fire , now you neck a bottle of JD like a rock star . Least I did at 26.
Vaping is probably virtually harmless.
So I'd say go for it .
Start small and if it all goes horribly wrong, don't blame me.
S'alright my wife calls it smoke and she's right about everything.
Yeah you'll choke .
No doubt somewhere down the line you had a drag on something.
The sensation of the vapour going down your throat will probably make you involuntarily choke. It will pass.
Just as your first taste of strong liquor made you feel like your throat was on fire , now you neck a bottle of JD like a rock star . Least I did at 26.
Vaping is probably virtually harmless.
So I'd say go for it .
Start small and if it all goes horribly wrong, don't blame me.
You don't have to inhale to vape. Take a few pulls from a friend's vape and go from there.
Welcome to ECF.
Welcome to ECF.
OK so I am a new vaper who didn't come to vaping from cigarettes.My reasons? This is for real. I have other habits that are destructive to my body and well-being and little will-power to stop doing them on my own. I made light of my issues on my intro thread, but my biggest problem is an addiction to coffee/caffeine. For the normal person that might be low on the totem pole of problems, but I have multiple sclerosis and this disease has caused me intense bladder problems that my 9-10 cups a day habit (using real cream, no less) was escalating. I can't work and I sit at home all day, and making these cups of coffee has turned ritualistic for me, as was getting up every 10 minutes to pee. Something had to give.
Oh and I'm ADHD and a recovering alcoholic and I've spent my life searching for a vice that was the least destructive and I'm hoping that this will be it, as long as I stick to 0 nic or very low nic options in my juice choices. I've got several aquaintances who vape and it might even improve my social life.
So there it is, a justification for vaping without having smoked cigs first.
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Anyone and everyone can come up with a justification (rational or not) to start vaping as a never smoker. And, as an adult, everyone is free to make their own choices.
I'd say learning to vape and actually inhale it will probably have some trouble initially (if that tells you something about how your lungs are "liking" it, well it does) but even smokers transitioning are going to have a transition period, adjusting to vaping from smoking.
If you want to try it, sure you can try it. Whether and how it will work out for you will be anyone's guess (including yours). Vaping is orders of magnitude less harmful than smoking. There is no one out there yet (hasn't been around long enough) to say that it is totally harm free over long periods of time.
You can start out by not inhaling the vapor, or by making sure your setup isn't producing a TON of vapor (a less powerful, "starter oriented" setup might work best at first.)
Best of luck in your decision and welcome to ECF.
Anna
I'd say learning to vape and actually inhale it will probably have some trouble initially (if that tells you something about how your lungs are "liking" it, well it does) but even smokers transitioning are going to have a transition period, adjusting to vaping from smoking.
If you want to try it, sure you can try it. Whether and how it will work out for you will be anyone's guess (including yours). Vaping is orders of magnitude less harmful than smoking. There is no one out there yet (hasn't been around long enough) to say that it is totally harm free over long periods of time.
You can start out by not inhaling the vapor, or by making sure your setup isn't producing a TON of vapor (a less powerful, "starter oriented" setup might work best at first.)
Best of luck in your decision and welcome to ECF.
Anna
my dad had ms,so you struck a deep cord with me.you have one more hobby you can lean on.(that's us)
My reasons? This is for real. I have other habits that are destructive to my body and well-being and little will-power to stop doing them on my own. I made light of my issues on my intro thread, but my biggest problem is an addiction to coffee/caffeine. For the normal person that might be low on the totem pole of problems, but I have multiple sclerosis and this disease has caused me intense bladder problems that my 9-10 cups a day habit (using real cream, no less) was escalating. I can't work and I sit at home all day, and making these cups of coffee has turned ritualistic for me, as was getting up every 10 minutes to pee. Something had to give.
Oh and I'm ADHD and a recovering alcoholic and I've spent my life searching for a vice that was the least destructive and I'm hoping that this will be it, as long as I stick to 0 nic or very low nic options in my juice choices. I've got several aquaintances who vape and it might even improve my social life.
So there it is, a justification for vaping without having smoked cigs first.
Welcome and glad you joined.
Not much to add to above only to say vaping is not for everyone.
The information below may help you learn more about vaping.
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One other point, vaping is not like smoking, many of us have spent years (hobby) learning and perfecting our vape skills. You pretty much get back what you put into it.
First off, Vaping is not entirely safe and it's not necessary. So, for %99 of the non smokers, I say don't start if you don't need to. Second, the "can you choke on the smoke as a beginner".. Well, there is no smoke from a vape. That is what most vapers are trying to get away from in cigarettes. Smoke is what causes the majority of health related issues in cigarettes. But yes, the vape is different than smoke, and it is a bit harder to get used to. Yes, you can cough when you start, but you get used to it and eventually it doesn't even phase you.
What about the other %1? Well the only time I would recommend vaping to a non smoker, is if they are having problems with ADHD. Nicotine was shown to help people with ADHD concentrate. Also the "fidgeting factor" helps maintain their focus as well. They say %40 of people with ADHD smoke compared to %20 of people without ADHD. I would much rather them be vaping than smoking. I know a guy at work that seriously has ADHD, and when he started vaping, I 've noticed he has considerably more focus. I'm glad I told him to pick up a vape instead of a cigarette.
As for myself? About two years after I quit smoking and switched to vaping, I've noticed that my memory has improved quite significantly. I've never had a good memory when it comes to names and dates. Even important dates such as birthdays and anniversaries, I just had a hard time remembering. And I'm not joking when I say this. It got so bad, I decided to write down and research every important date in a notebook... then I forgot where I put the notebook. Sounds comical, or whimsical, but it has seriously affected my life. One guy got mad at me at work because after knowing him for three years, I still didn't know his first name. It was that bad. Since I've switched to smoking, I seem to have a more "normal" memory. I've lowered my nicotine since then, but I don't think I'll totally quit anytime soon just for that reason.
So, for most people, if you're a normal non smoker, I'd say if you don't need it, don't bother. But there are some circumstances where I would.
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