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[TjVapeNewbie]

Just joined today. Been vaping since August 2016. Pack a day smoker since I was 18 years old. I took Chantix since it was a free program through work. This allowed me to use 3mg nic level oils.

A week ago today I stopped the Chantix and strictly vape.

My mod is the Smok Alien 220watt with Smoke Baby Beast running T8 coils at .15

However, I have three sets of batteries. Efest 3000mAh IMR batteries , LG HG2 3000Mah, and E-Syb 3500mAh.

I also have the Beast tank as well. Now, I am scared S**tless of having a unit blow up in my face. I rather run the Beast using T8 coils around 140Watts, but the nice little OLED screen tells me I am pulling over 20amps. There is even a little temp display that hardly ever reads over 35C maybe 40C


I feel I have wasted my money on batteries that cannot handle the Big Beast at the 140-150 watt range.

I spent two days and even asked a well know battery tester to make sure I am safe. But the problems is this, I cannot Vape safely cause I am having too hard of a time understanding the electrical side of this.

This is all I know, the Alien is a 2 18650 Mod running in VW mode - Normal hit sitting not soft or hard - and using the T8 baby beast coils at 60-70 Watts. I rather use the Beast instead for that is a 6ML tank and coils are easier to get around home. That tank performs best at 140-150 Watts.

I need someone to explain in LAYMAN's terms how I can determine what batteries I need in order to run the Beast as the desired 140-150 watt range. Once I set up the Alien for the Big Beast I know I can switch over to the baby beast and lower down to 60watts without an issue.

The baby tank has the higher nic level for morning wake up while the larger beast is all day vaping at the lower nic level.

I so don't want to join the very few that have suffered exploding batteries.

Thank you all in advance for tips / tricks / and help !

 

[Eskie]

Hi and welcome! A couple of things. first, I'd lose those Effect and E-Syb batteries you're using. Those are no name rewraps of unknown quality and unknown performance. Here's a chart of recommended batteries from the battery guru here and elsewhere, Mooch.

Something like the LG HB4 and HB6 or Sony VTC5A should be fine. Honestly, even a battery like the common Samsung 25R will be OK if you are in the <100W range. However, if you are running at high wattage any 2 battery mod will struggle over the course of a day over 100W. If you really like to run 140W all day, a 3 battery mod would really suit you much better. Besides, 140W by itself is close to the limit of 2 batteries as it is. The branding of these mods with outrageous numbers like 220W on a 2 battery mod are absurd.

That's not a knock on the Alien. I have one and love it. just a knock on companies, including Smok, that get into these wattage wars for the sake of sales.

 

[TjVapeNewbie]

Hi and welcome! A couple of things. first, I'd lose those Effect and E-Syb batteries you're using. Those are no name rewraps of unknown quality and unknown performance. Here's a chart of recommended batteries from the battery guru here and elsewhere, Mooch.
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Something like the LG HB4 and HB6 or Sony VTC5A should be fine. Honestly, even a battery like the common Samsung 25R will be OK if you are in the <100W range. However, if you are running at high wattage any 2 battery mod will struggle over the course of a day over 100W. If you really like to run 140W all day, a 3 battery mod would really suit you much better. Besides, 140W by itself is close to the limit of 2 batteries as it is. The branding of these mods with outrageous numbers like 220W on a 2 battery mod are absurd.

That's not a knock on the Alien. I have one and love it. just a knock on companies, including Smok, that get into these wattage wars for the sake of sales.

Thank you for the reply. So I am better off running the baby tank all day and ditching the big beast? I will throw the LG back into the mod and keep it at 70Watts using the baby T8 coils. Guess I just better carry the bottle and top off as the day goes on. I just hate the idea I wasted money on the Big Beast. My head hurts trying to keep it safe.

 

[Eskie]

Thank you for the reply. So I am better off running the baby tank all day and ditching the big beast? I will throw the LG back into the mod and keep it at 70Watts using the baby T8 coils. Guess I just better carry the bottle and top off as the day goes on. I just hate the idea I wasted money on the Big Beast. My head hurts trying to keep it safe.

If you really want to run the big beast at 140W on that mod, just be sure to get authentic high rated batteries as I mentioned, and probably carry an extra pair around to swap in if you run your power down too fast. Me? I'd just be sure even with good batteries to not go over 140W.

Also remember to keep your battery sets married. No mix and match. Just pair them up from day 1 and always use and charge them as a set. The final word on the need for that is still out while Mooch is exploring that very question, but for now, especially with 2 battery setups, it's just better to keep them paired. We'll all be interested in what he eventually comes up with on that topic.

 

[NealBJr]

+1 what eskie said... But, to hopefully put your mind to rest, when the output shows an amp rating, keep in mind the amperage is shared between the batteries. Most mods have a 12.5 amp limit on the battery usage, so you wouldn't have to worry much about them "blowing up". If you have two 20 amp batteries in there (look at the chart eskie posted for amp limits), I personally wouldn't go over 30 amps of power usage. If your mod shows you're running at 140 watts using your .15 ohm coils and it's showing 28 amps, that's 14 amp draw from each battery.

 

[TjVapeNewbie]

+1 what eskie said... But, to hopefully put your mind to rest, when the output shows an amp rating, keep in mind the amperage is shared between the batteries. Most mods have a 12.5 amp limit on the battery usage, so you wouldn't have to worry much about them "blowing up". If you have two 20 amp batteries in there (look at the chart eskie posted for amp limits), I personally wouldn't go over 30 amps of power usage. If your mod shows you're running at 140 watts using your .15 ohm coils and it's showing 28 amps, that's 14 amp draw from each battery.

Thank you! The Alien mod tells me I am using 140 Watts - 4.871 Volts - .159 coil and 30.64 amps with a temp of just under 30c ( I assume not sure this is the chip temp internally? )

Now if I am starting to understand this, the mod is really pulling a tad over 15 amps per battery? And since I took Eskie advice and put the LG H2 back in, I am the safe zone? Each battery is taking a 15 amp load?

 

[Eskie]

Thank you! The Alien mod tells me I am using 140 Watts - 4.871 Volts - .159 coil and 30.64 amps with a temp of just under 30c ( I assume not sure this is the chip temp internally? )

Now if I am starting to understand this, the mod is really pulling a tad over 15 amps per battery? And since I took Eskie advice and put the LG H2 back in, I am the safe zone? Each battery is taking a 15 amp load?

Yes, you should be fine. Even good 20A batteries would still be leaving you with a bit of headroom. Providing they are reliable 20A batteries, such as those on the chart. Also, notice on that chart that the higher rated, 30A batteries have a lower "capacity", generally 1500 mAh, vs the 2500 to 3000 mAh on more typical 20A batteries. That's part of the trade off you have to make for the higher current.

Oh, and that 30C temp is the reading of the control board, and is fine as well. If you see it start to climb, you might be chain vaping at too high a wattage and may shorten the lifespan of the electronics.

 

[TjVapeNewbie]

Yes, you should be fine. Even good 20A batteries would still be leaving you with a bit of headroom. Providing they are reliable 20A batteries, such as those on the chart. Also, notice on that chart that the higher rated, 30A batteries have a lower "capacity", generally 1500 mAh, vs the 2500 to 3000 mAh on more typical 20A batteries. That's part of the trade off you have to make for the higher current.

Oh, and that 30C temp is the reading of the control board, and is fine as well. If you see it start to climb, you might be chain vaping at too high a wattage and may shorten the lifespan of the electronics.

Thank you so much! This finally puts my worries to bed. I will go back to the Vape Shop I got the LG from and get another set. Once the battery level reaches the 1/2 mark I can swap them out.

I don't think I chain vape. I take 1-3 good 3,4 second hits, then don't touch it for 10+ minutes.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Hello and welcome to ecf.
Use this calculator along with Mooch's charts for batteries. Steam Engine has done a lot of the work for us along with Mooch and both are priceless and free.
Good luck
Ohm's law

 

[TjVapeNewbie]

Hello and welcome to ecf.
Use this calculator along with Mooch's charts for batteries. Steam Engine has done a lot of the work for us along with Mooch and both are priceless and free.
Good luck
Ohm's law

I am under the impression Ohm's law isn't used for regulated mods since there is no direct connecting from the battery to the coil. Am I understanding this correctly?

 

[medleypat]

Do not use the efest or the e-syb the lgs should be OK. I would buy two pairs of the lg hb2, hb4, or hb6 then use the lg hg2 only with the baby below 100 watts with safety I always error on the caution side. Also batteries loss strength as they age.

 

[Eskie]

Ohm's law still applies in the manner you just used to assure the total drain on the battery would not be exceeded. A regulated mod can protect you from making really bad mistakes by hopefully not allowing you to draw excessive power from a battery, but as you just did, double checking your power demand is still useful in assuring safe operation. And you get other protections like atomizer shorts or reverse polarity protection in a regulated mod. But a simple check of what you plan to do with your mod, regulated or not, is just a good idea (OK, absolutely necessary for a mech mod).

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

I am under the impression Ohm's law isn't used for regulated mods since there is no direct connecting from the battery to the coil. Am I understanding this correctly?

If never hurts to have the knowledge. Since you are new you are more than likely(at some point) to branch out on your vaping journey. If you look at the tabs Steam Engine has it also can help you in other areas. ie. coil wrapping and others.
You may be happy now, but what if the already made coils become unavailable in the future? Learning to be self sufficient in vaping will assure you won't return to those stinky cigs.

 

[TjVapeNewbie]

Ohm's law still applies in the manner you just used to assure the total drain on the battery would not be exceeded. A regulated mod can protect you from making really bad mistakes by hopefully not allowing you to draw excessive power from a battery, but as you just did, double checking your power demand is still useful in assuring safe operation. And you get other protections like atomizer shorts or reverse polarity protection in a regulated mod. But a simple check of what you plan to do with your mod, regulated or not, is just a good idea (OK, absolutely necessary for a mech mod).

Did I pull excessive power and made a big mistake? This is how I took your sentence.

Please forgive me and my total lack of understanding. Electricity isn't my forte.

 

[Eskie]

Did I pull excessive power and made a big mistake? This is how I took your sentence.

Please forgive me and my total lack of understanding. Electricity isn't my forte.

No, you didn't. Well, probably not. It depends what those no name batteries were capable of, and apparently they were OK as nothing bad happened. The take home message really is use authentic, quality batteries in your mods and don't expect a mod to do something approaching impossible like 300W from 2 18650s (or 220W IMO) and you're absolutely fine.

 

[medleypat]

Ohm's law still applies but coil resistance doesn't factor in. The math is watts/volts of the batteries so in your case using the lowest volts you want to fire your batteries of 3.4 the figures would be 140 / 6.8 = 20 amps

 

[TjVapeNewbie]

No, you didn't. Well, probably not. It depends what those no name batteries were capable of, and apparently they were OK as nothing bad happened. The take home message really is use authentic, quality batteries in your mods and don't expect a mod to do something approaching impossible like 300W from 2 18650s (or 220W IMO) and you're absolutely fine.

Okay, I was scared for a moment there. I put the LG HG2 back in the mod. I am gonna throw the others away at the recycle center at Home Depot. I am going to buy another set of the LG HG2 today for a second set for the mod.

 

[KenD]

The amp display on most mods show the amps at the atty, which is useless information. For regulated mods you calculate the amp draw thusly:

Watts (add 10% to account for device inefficiency) / battery cutoff voltage (3.2v is a common cutoff) = amps. Divide the amp draw by the number of batteries.

20 amp batteries such as the LG hg2 are good up to about 60w per battery.

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[KenD]

Thank you! The Alien mod tells me I am using 140 Watts - 4.871 Volts - .159 coil and 30.64 amps with a temp of just under 30c ( I assume not sure this is the chip temp internally? )

Now if I am starting to understand this, the mod is really pulling a tad over 15 amps per battery? And since I took Eskie advice and put the LG H2 back in, I am the safe zone? Each battery is taking a 15 amp load?

Don't mind the amps shown by the device. As per my previous post, that's useless information. With all respect, but Neal is wrong here.

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[BrotherBob]

I need someone to explain in LAYMAN's terms how I can determine what batteries I need in order to run the Beast as the desired 140-150 watt range. Once I set up the Alien for the Big Beast I know I can switch over to the baby beast and lower down to 60watts without an issue.

Welcome and glad you joined. Below should give you some ideas. Best to study yourself so it sticks.
Might like to read:
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