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How do non-Christians cope with adversity and grief? As a Christian, it's been difficult to cope with grief and strife. We can turn to Almighty God for help, as He is always with us. But how does one cope with the death of a loved one and the grieving person isn't saved? Losing a job? Divorce? I can only imagine how awful that can be. I know I will see my loved ones again and I hold on tightly to that. Some people believe that when you're dead you exist no longer.....that's the end of the road.....lights out. What kind of purpose does one live who believes that. There is no promise of anything from a Higher Source, Almighty God, after death. That is the purpose of this part of the website.....telling people about Jesus. They don't have to be alone. There is Someone who loves them and wants to be a part of their lives. His Name is Jesus!

Dr. Billy Graham is an evangelist, meaning going around preaching about Jesus and not having a church employ him. He, to me, is the greatest evangelist of the 20th century.....like Paul in the New Testament. He never preached about church doctrine, one denomination over another.....he preached about Jesus. A very dear friend told me recently that it's all about Jesus....nothing else. Once you know Him, He'll tell you where to go next. Allow Him to find a church for you. He knows all about you. He knew you in your mother's womb, which means He's always known you. Our vision for this website should be to let people know that they are loved....first by Jesus, then us. I realize I had a rocky start here as moderator, but am getting my sea legs. People are hurting. Their hearts have been broken. Some have hit rock bottom from addictions and have lost everything, and some people are in jail. Maybe they aren't on this website, but someone who knows them is.

This world is more dangerous now than it's ever been. On Mother's Day, an 87 year old man was getting into his car to take flowers to his wife's grave. A teenager came up to rob him as he was in his car in a parking lot at a grocery store, and shot him. The man died. This happened about 1 1/2 miles from here.....nice neighborhood. I am grieving for both families. That's pre-meditated murder...murder in the 1st degree, and rightfully so. Of course the boy's mother is saying he is such a good boy. The breakdown of America's families is in critical condition. Children have lost their beloved father, and a mother has lost her son. I was in shock! Nothing like that has ever happened here. Crime is getting to the crucial point. There is no one who doesn't need Jesus.
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Responding as a non-Christian: living life to the fullest when I'm here, and celebrating the lives and memories of loved ones when they're not here anymore. Coping with loss and adversity, that's always hard, but focusing on what was good rather than what went bad and trying to find opportunities in adversity (every door closed usually opens a new one) helps.

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Responding as a non-Christian: living life to the fullest when I'm here, and celebrating the lives and memories of loved ones when they're not here anymore. Coping with loss and adversity, that's always hard, but focusing on what was good rather than what went bad and trying to find opportunities in adversity (every door closed usually opens a new one) helps.

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^This. I've gone through a lot of devastating things in my life and to be completely honest it's those things that led me away from agnosticism and into atheism. I personally don't see the point in dwelling on the past. The past is the past and that's not going to change. All I can do is live for today and live to the fullest.
 

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Responding as a non-Christian: living life to the fullest when I'm here, and celebrating the lives and memories of loved ones when they're not here anymore. Coping with loss and adversity, that's always hard, but focusing on what was good rather than what went bad and trying to find opportunities in adversity (every door closed usually opens a new one) helps.

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Welcome to the board, Dan! It's nice to meet you. I think our views are much the same. Thank you for your honesty! You brought out some excellent points, but you didn't mention anything about the afterlife. As Christians, we know we will be reunited with our Christian loved ones plus being in the prescense of God. But, I do have to say that after becoming a Christian, my everyday life and outlook changed....for the better. I am at peace with myself. I like myself and who I am in Jesus. Don't get me wrong, I am in no way thinking I'm perfect and I'll be the first to tell you. :laugh: I have tried to be perfect and sinless just for one day....didn't happen. Tried again....didn't happen. But, the difference is that I don't compare myself to others, for I compare myself to Jesus. His example is the benchmark I strive for.

If you don't mind, I would like to ask you a question. I have heard that Sweden has a low crime rate. Is this true and if so, what do you attribute it to? :)
 

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I focus on the real and ignore the fantasy. Believing that I control my own destiny is quite empowering. I don't require the crutch of a magic man in the sky.

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I asked a legitimate question, and was hoping for respectful answers, not insults to our belief system. Please refrain from that.
 

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Welcome to the board, Dan! It's nice to meet you. I think our views are much the same. Thank you for your honesty! You brought out some excellent points, but you didn't mention anything about the afterlife. As Christians, we know we will be reunited with our Christian loved ones plus being in the prescense of God. But, I do have to say that after becoming a Christian, my everyday life and outlook changed....for the better. I am at peace with myself. I like myself and who I am in Jesus. Don't get me wrong, I am in no way thinking I'm perfect and I'll be the first to tell you. :laugh: I have tried to be perfect and sinless just for one day....didn't happen. Tried again....didn't happen. But, the difference is that I don't compare myself to others, for I compare myself to Jesus. His example is the benchmark I strive for.

If you don't mind, I would like to ask you a question. I have heard that Sweden has a low crime rate. Is this true and if so, what do you attribute it to? :)

I used to be an atheist but I'm more of an agnostic nowadays. That's to a large part due to my profession. I have a phd in comparative religion - specialising in modern occultism/ritual magic - and while I study the sociological and historical dimensions of religion, not the metaphysical ones, I need to be able to understand the beliefs of those I study (more or less being able to believe anything and nothing depending on the situation).

As for the afterlife, I don't know, and largely I don't care. What happens happens. I'm curious, looking forward to seeing if and what happens, but I'm prone to believe that death is the end. That doesn't make me sad, rather it makes me take care to appreciate and enjoy everything I experience in life, both good and bad. Many of the people I've studied have the hypothesis (because it's not really a belief) that consciousness can survive death if it's sufficiently strengthened in life.

As for Sweden and crime. Most of the Nordic countries are the same. Two factors in particular play important parts, I believe. Strict gun laws and a strong social security system. Access to deadly weapons is limited (it's almost a news headline whenever guns are used in robberies/muggings), and few are in such a desperate situation that they need to turn to crime to feed themselves. That's simplifying it though, and we still have plenty of crime. Just less of the sort that will likely lead to the victim dying.

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Welcome to the board, Dan! It's nice to meet you. I think our views are much the same. Thank you for your honesty! You brought out some excellent points, but you didn't mention anything about the afterlife. As Christians, we know we will be reunited with our Christian loved ones plus being in the prescense of God. But, I do have to say that after becoming a Christian, my everyday life and outlook changed....for the better. I am at peace with myself. I like myself and who I am in Jesus. Don't get me wrong, I am in no way thinking I'm perfect and I'll be the first to tell you. :laugh: I have tried to be perfect and sinless just for one day....didn't happen. Tried again....didn't happen. But, the difference is that I don't compare myself to others, for I compare myself to Jesus. His example is the benchmark I strive for.

If you don't mind, I would like to ask you a question. I have heard that Sweden has a low crime rate. Is this true and if so, what do you attribute it to? :)

The afterlife question wasn't asked of me, but if I may I'd like to respond. I believe that John Green put it best in his book The Fault In Our Stars when the character Augustus Waters said "Yes, absolutely. Not like a heaven where you ride unicorns, play harps, and live in a mansion made of clouds. But yes, I've always believed in Something with a capital S. Always have".

I don't believe that you just go POOF and disapper into nothingness when you die, but I also don't believe in the common concept of a "Heaven". Not to say I don't like the concept of Heaven. Andy Biersack said, about his grandfathers death and subsewuent hopes by everyone that he's now in heaven, that "went to the funeral for my grandfather, a person that I love very much and everyone is speaking about how he went to heaven and how he’s in heaven. I always fight with that because I would love nothing more to believe that my grandfather is in the clouds playing Xbox 460 or whatever awesome stuff they have up in heaven but I can’t". I tend to side along those lines. I love the idea, I just don't believe that it's real.

Andy also made the point that "Whether you believe or don’t believe in an actual physical afterlife, you cant deny that there is a certain element of an afterlife in the legacy that someone leaves". And I think he's right. Ther eis always a legacy left behind, and that person lives on through that legacy.
 
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I asked a legitimate question, and was hoping for respectful answers, not insults to our belief system. Please refrain from that.

You asked non-Christians how they can possibly cope with life. That question is no less disrespectful than my answer. The question implies that non-Christians are lacking something that you have. My answer is simple. I'm not lacking anything. I choose the real and concrete over the mythical. I choose reason over mysticism. That's your answer.

Don't ask the question if you don't want to hear it.
 
I believe that both the question and that particular answer can be considered disrespectful, considering that the OP insulted every religion except for Christianity, and the answer insulted every religion. I'm neither Christian or atheist. So now that we've established that, let's get back on topic.

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You asked non-Christians how they can possibly cope with life. That question is no less disrespectful than my answer. The question implies that non-Christians are lacking something that you have. My answer is simple. I'm not lacking anything. I choose the real and concrete over the mythical. I choose reason over mysticism. That's your answer.

Don't ask the question if you don't want to hear it.

You've been lurking here waiting for a post you can respond to? My main question is why are you here? People who are searching, maybe wanting to broaden their horizons is one thing. But you are angry. I asked you to not insult this room with a plea. It was the last sentence of your original post that warranted my reply, in case you are curious. I now know what you're trying to say and now you have done so.
 

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I often wish I could believe, I see how much religion of all kinds (not just Christianity, but all of them) can soothe people and give them a purpose. I was raised in a very mildly religious home and liked the community aspect of our congregation, but from the time I was a very little kid I was saying things to our teachers at Sunday School like - What if what we're calling G-d is really just all of the people in the world's consciousnesses working together to let us decide what is right and wrong? (Yeah, I was a weird little kid.) Interestingly, like KenD I also studied religion in college; mostly because I find it fascinating from an anthropological perspective and because I have always wondered about my inherent inability to believe and how rare that seems to be.

It isn't always easy to be a nonbeliever. Totally respect those who are religious who respect my lack of belief and more importantly, others' belief systems. Call myself agnostic because with a science background I think it is just as ridiculous to claim you ABSOLUTELY know there is no G-d without proof as it is to claim you ABSOLUTELY know that there is. Really don't like mean atheists, and the only time I think they have a point is when our government conflates church/state as it so often does lately. I try to be a good person, help others, and make the world a better place because that's important to *me*, not because someone else told me it was important. My belief in the afterlife is that there isn't one, except in the sense that we are all part of nature, and that eventually from my and my loved one's deaths new things will grow. Thanks for letting me say my piece.
 

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Er, not to jump in too hard, but you (Saintscruiser) really started it - a question out to non-believers, who otherwise likely wouldn't generally come here. I just ran across it since it was there in new posts. If you didn't want to hear a critique of your choices, why did you critique the choices of others? Your initial post, in case you didn't know, comes across as extremely condescending.

And the afterlife - why do you think one exists? Do you remember your before-life? No? Then why do you think there's one afterwards?
 

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Er, not to jump in too hard, but you (Saintscruiser) really started it - a question out to non-believers, who otherwise likely wouldn't generally come here. I just ran across it since it was there in new posts. If you didn't want to hear a critique of your choices, why did you critique the choices of others? Your initial post, in case you didn't know, comes across as extremely condescending.

And the afterlife - why do you think one exists? Do you remember your before-life? No? Then why do you think there's one afterwards?

Just saw this in New Posts too... without having any comment otherwise, just wanted to say that I'm curious what the OP's answer to this question is.
 

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The question was not disrespectful in the least. This is a CHRISTIAN vapors room, not a room to banter back and forth on different sects of religion. People are searching for answers. This forum is being read by many people. If you come in here, chances are you will receive a Christian view point! :laugh:

First I believe the Bible to be the inerrant Word of God. In Romans:

Romans 3:10-11 (KJV)
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Romans 6:23 (KJV)
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 10:9 (KJV)
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

John 3:16 (KJV)
16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

These Scriptures are why I believe as I do. Do I believe in miracles? Yes I do. I've been blessed with quite a few.....even an angel turning a steering wheel, saving my infant son and myself. My brakes went out. God answers my prayers....maybe a bit different than I was expecting, and sometimes the answer is no, but He always answers them. He even had a Hand on my life before I was saved....my brakes, as I mentioned. There are many things I could share, but for brevity, I'm leaving it with this. :)
 
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I think my first question would be.Who did you expect to answer this post?

If you thought only christians would respond,and wanted to keep this within the christian forum you prob should have phrased your question differently.Perhaps " Christians, how to do think non christians cope? This would have kept the conversation within your christian community.

You however asked a general question.In which you received responses from non christians.You can not get upset when they tell you they don't believe in something they consider mythical.Or respond with lack of respect for your post when you suggest Christianity is the end all and be all and if you're not christian you're basically damned.Let's remember there a more than a few religions that predate christianity.

I for one will not answer the initial post as I find it submerged in ignorance on many levels.We are all able to see and post in this sub forum.Many of us do not come to this forum because we do not hold the same belief system, but when you ask a general question that suggests without christ all are lost, you must expect some to disagree.
 
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