How long is a "burst?"
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I'm starting to hear ringing breakfast bells of a nanny state in this thread.
I respect others opinions and often hope others respect my wishes and opinions... or just tje fact that im human too... enough not to vote to dictate what i can and can't do "for my own good and the good of others".
I wash my own drawls. My mother is still alive. I don't need another nanny.
I respect others opinions and often hope others respect my wishes and opinions... or just tje fact that im human too... enough not to vote to dictate what i can and can't do "for my own good and the good of others".
I wash my own drawls. My mother is still alive. I don't need another nanny.
Yep. The US is almost always late to the party when it comes to new tech. Why rush things when old tech sales aren't struggling. Why not continue to give the people what they think they want then jump on the train when sales start swinging during a fad like swing in the market? Let's be realistic. Most of our consumers aren't up on the latest and greatest. Many want to hear from their friends and see proof of how great the replacement product is. Look how long it took us to follow the EU when it comes to smaller fuel efficient cars and high efficiency washers for example. We needed the economy to show signs of struggle before we spent twice the money on a washer in hopes of a several year return on investment from water savings.
I'm the case of flashlights an 18650 battery is going to need specialty batteries and chargers. Most people don't use their flashlights enough to warrant the Investment.
Yeah, but once you have a stock of 18650s and a charger, all of a sudden, flashlights that take 18650s make all kinds of sense, don't they?
Some flashlights that take 18650s have built-in micro-USB chargers too. Sadly the one in the pic above does not. If it did, it would make a dandy back-up/travel charger for my vape batteries.
Some flashlights that take 18650s have built-in micro-USB chargers too. Sadly the one in the pic above does not. If it did, it would make a dandy back-up/travel charger for my vape batteries.
This is absolutely one of the best posts on the site. This one post should be a sticky.
Sadly you people are naive if you think just because you build a "safe" coil that you are safe.
Yeah, but once you have a stock of 18650s and a charger, all of a sudden, flashlights that take 18650s make all kinds of sense, don't they?
Some flashlights that take 18650s have built-in micro-USB chargers too. Sadly the one in the pic above does not. If it did, it would make a dandy back-up/travel charger for my vape batteries.
Why yes. Yes indeed.
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It's not the safe coil alone. It's safe practices all around and knowing your equipment.
Those that think we depend solely on coil build need to experience it themselves to understand. For example we don't wait for a mod to tell us our battery is low and recharge at 3.2 to 3.5 volts. Vape gets anemic and battery is switched. Trust me. It's hard to miss.
And an 18650 takes up a lot more room than an 18350, but an 18350 plus a regulator is smaller than an 18650. You could be safe if you wanted to, at a cost of some convenience. But regardless, a regulator is not required for full safety; a true protection board can be smaller than a Kick.
Only really due to the screen, the board is coated with a waterproof coating. There's every chance the mod would continue to be vapeable; it doesn't need the screen to fire.
US makers are waging the candlepower race just the same but they are simply not staking their livelihoods on li-ion with insufficient safety. If they use it it's going to be integrated or in a pack with onboard safety circuitry. Barebones 18650 flashlights have been available from China for many years (I own them too) so it's not just a matter of time thing. My main light is an 18650 model that draws enough to heat up an AW 1600. I realized it once in a blackout ... really made me think about how safe they actually are. It has zero venting!
As I've said before, China doesn't give a .... about your safety. They don't really even give a .... about vaping.
Regarding the nanny state comments: No one in this thread advocated for government intervention. However it's when industries don't successfully regulate themselves that government intervention happens. The way self-regulation happens, in the absence of corporate foresight (which will never come from Chinese corporations), is for consumers to demand it.
Honestly think about the devices we are using, and think about whether it's prudent for a consumer device to have so few failsafes. Li ions are never used in consumer devices like this. Any decent product engineer looking at this from an unbiased viewpoint would never approve these designs for consumer use. A battery doesn't even have to fail to exceed the safety envelope... they can get hot enough to cause burn injuries without failing.
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You should know better than to make that statement on a vapers forum. There are many ways to skin a cat. In this case it's quite obvious the long standing tradition of those in positions of power convincing the masses that they've come to their own biased opinions holds more true than a frogs rear is water tight.
So while the public might demand it they've been manipulated to do so. It's the full circle effect. We convince you its best for you. You demand we make it happen. We oblige and get re elected. We collect more bribes. Wash rinse repeat.
On the contrary. If you need the screen to see your settings you need it to vape. I went through this same failure with a provari and it was unvapable because setting the voltage was a shot in the dark guessing game. By the time you figured out your setting the wick was already burnt.
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You seem to have gone off-track on the nanny state outcry, the quote you refer to is about the consumer-to-corporation relationship. That is an ostensibly free-market solution, which I would always hope would work first. Unfortunately as we see far too often, it creates perverse incentives to not do what is right.
Actually you can set it blind to an exact wattage if you really wanted to (sadly, firsthand experience), maybe that's an advantage of the simpler UI. But of course you probably would just vape it where you had it set or adjust to taste, as the VV folk say. Stopgap, of course.
Actually you can set it blind to an exact wattage if you really wanted to (sadly, firsthand experience), maybe that's an advantage of the simpler UI. But of course you probably would just vape it where you had it set or adjust to taste, as the VV folk say. Stopgap, of course.
Not an outcry. Just an individual that believes in the rights and availability of choices this nation was founded on and veered unrecognizably away from.
Don't vote my options away and I won't vote yours away. Matter of fact I'll vote for yours whether I agree with them or not.
I vote on much more important things than vaping device regulation (to include vaping regulation), but I do vote with my wallet and my voice against, as dr. farsalinos puts it, "avoidable risk." That said, please note, yet again, that no one -- no one -- advocated for government action. The last thing we want is for government's hand to be forced in this. That's a big part of the reason I advocate the industry wising up.
A reminder: A mod exploded and sprayed metal fragments around a crowded exhibition hall at Vapefest earlier this year. It's blind luck that didn't bleed its way into a lede. There's a lesson there for the learning.
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Thank you for repeating yourself. I will listen twice and read thrice next time. I apologize.
Nothing is 100% safe; not even the best regulated mods are. I understand and accept the risks in what I'm doing, just as I understood and accepted the risks inherent in smoking, when I ride a motorcycle, or when I do any number of other things on a regular basis that are not 100% safe. Life is not safe and perusing safety above all else is not the life I want to live. Please let each individual make their own decisions as to what risks are worthwhile trade-offs for them.
Oh, I have thought about what I'm using. To me the biggest worry with most mechs is the pipe-bomb form-factor. None of mine are that. Well, actually, I do own one of those, but I don't use it. If there's no way for a mod to build more than a few PSI of pressure no matter how catastrophically the battery fails, you're simply not going to get an explosion; the worst you're going to get is a battery fire. If I were, designing, making and selling tube-mechs, I'd do actual venting tests. I wonder if anyone has ever done them? That would be an interesting project, wouldn't it?
Anyway, I wish you wouldn't paint all unregulated "mechs" with the same broad brush.
Nothing is 100% safe; not even the best regulated mods are. I understand and accept the risks in what I'm doing, just as I understood and accepted the risks inherent in smoking, when I ride a motorcycle, or when I do any number of other things on a regular basis that are not 100% safe. Life is not safe and perusing safety above all else is not the life I want to live. Please let each individual make their own decisions as to what risks are worthwhile trade-offs for them.
Oh, I have thought about what I'm using. To me the biggest worry with most mechs is the pipe-bomb form-factor. None of mine are that. Well, actually, I do own one of those, but I don't use it. If there's no way for a mod to build more than a few PSI of pressure no matter how catastrophically the battery fails, you're simply not going to get an explosion; the worst you're going to get is a battery fire. If I were, designing, making and selling tube-mechs, I'd do actual venting tests. I wonder if anyone has ever done them? That would be an interesting project, wouldn't it?
Anyway, I wish you wouldn't paint all unregulated "mechs" with the same broad brush.
There is "nothing is 100% safe" and there is "literally 0% safe" which applies to most mech mod configurations (i.e. completely unprotected).
All I can say is, battery fires cause room fires which cause house fires which cause deaths. Or burns. Property or bodily damage is the epitome of battery failure and lack of safety. No one in any position of liability should want anything to do with a mod that doesn't do everything obvious, reasonable, and to established safety standards, to deploy batteries safely.
Also just to double back and make sure we're keeping things in perspective, this is a thread about so-called burst rating, which is never safe.
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I completely agree that pushing batteries beyond their "continuous" rating entails risks that I personally would not care to take. I've designed plenty of stuff in the past 30 years and good engineering practice dictates that you always leave yourself at least a 50% safety factor. So if a battery is rated 30A "continuous", you don't pull more than 20A from it, and limiting yourself to 15A would be even better.
But even a regulated mod won't prevent battery abuse. I've got a DNA30 bottom feeder that I really like. I regularly run NCR18650PFs in it. Those are technically not "Safe" at for use with a DNA30 (10A continuous rating, DNA30 can pull as much as 12A). Thing is, I don't vape at 30 watts. I vape at 15-16 watts (single coil in a Cyclone). Am I abusing those batteries? No I'm not. But nothing other than my brain prevents me from doing so.
There is a handful of those out there. Basically to see if the whole pipe bomb thing is true.If I were, designing, making and selling tube-mechs, I'd do actual venting tests. I wonder if anyone has ever done them? That would be an interesting project, wouldn't it?
Anyway, I wish you wouldn't paint all unregulated "mechs" with the same broad brush.
Watch "Battery Venting in Mechanical Mod" on YouTube
Battery Venting in Mechanical Mod: Battery Venting in Mechanical Mod - YouTube
Watch "18650 Batteries vented inside of a mechanical mod" on YouTube
18650 Batteries vented inside of a mechanical mod: 18650 Batteries vented inside of a mechanical mod - YouTube
sorry for the format. On mobile. Interesting vids
Indeed; thanks for posting them.
Yet apparently there was an "explosion" at Vape Blast. So worse things than that CAN happen, which makes me wonder under what circumstances they do?
By this train of thought indoor stoves, microwaves, deep fryers and indoor electricity should all go by the way side by way of the individual industries realizing what dangers they pose and refusing to make a profit off of the potential danger.
I've cleaned up and renovated houses after hundreds of fires. One of the above was the cause of nearly every one. Not a single one was originated by any battery chemistry abused or not. Suggesting otherwise directly or indirectly is blatant fear mongering.
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