How low can I go?

[Enzovillar]

Hi guys! Im asking if how low ohms can I go if I had a 3000mah 20A batteries? Coz im afraid that I'll go lower maybe I'll damage the batts. Coz I had now a .24ohm on my tugboat, but I dont have that much clouds

 

[nyiddle]

I don't recommend going lower than .3 ohms on any unregulated single-battery mod.

At .22 ohms, you're pushing exactly 20A, and that's not accounting for variations in the battery's chemistry from use over time, or variations in the resistance of the coil, or the quality/trustworthiness of the device the atomizer resistance was measured on.. I'm correct in assuming you're using a mech mod, right?

My upcoming rant involves "clouds =/= low resistance."

PS: Ohm's law | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

 

[edyle]

Hi guys! Im asking if how low ohms can I go if I had a 3000mah 20A batteries? Coz im afraid that I'll go lower maybe I'll damage the batts. Coz I had now a .24ohm on my tugboat, but I dont have that much clouds

If you have a 0.24 ohm on your tugboat and not getting much cloud you should probably spend some time working with 28 gauge in the 0.5 dual coil or 1 ohm single coil range till you get better at wicking and airflow or maybe something is wrong with your power source

 

[Kaezziel]

Even with a mech mod, you can get solid cloud production with a 0.5 ohm coil set-up. It has less to do with resistance and more to do with surface area/wire gauge/airflow/coil position/proper wicking.

No matter what mod you are using, you can get good vapor production (and usually good flavor as well). It's just a balancing act of all the different variables.

 

[ElevenEleven]

An atty with more airflow alone will make a big difference in vapor production.

 

[BackDoc]

Enzo, sounds like you're new to vaping as well as ECF, if i am correct id recommend a regulated device to start with and some good quality batteries, others here will come in and add advice as well but id be more concerned about you blowing up your face than hurting the batteries

 

[Enzovillar]

I don't recommend going lower than .3 ohms on any unregulated single-battery mod.

At .22 ohms, you're pushing exactly 20A, and that's not accounting for variations in the battery's chemistry from use over time, or variations in the resistance of the coil, or the quality/trustworthiness of the device the atomizer resistance was measured on.. I'm correct in assuming you're using a mech mod, right?

My upcoming rant involves "clouds =/= low resistance."

PS: Ohm's law | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

Yes, I have a Osmium Mech mod wit dual batts.

 

[Enzovillar]

Enzo, sounds like you're new to vaping as well as ECF, if i am correct id recommend a regulated device to start with and some good quality batteries, others here will come in and add advice as well but id be more concerned about you blowing up your face than hurting the batteries

Thank you so much!

 

[Kaezziel]

Yes, I have a Osmium Mech mod wit dual batts.

So, the bigger question would be: what is your coil set-up? How is it positioned in the atty? What gauge wire are you using? Micro-coils or macro-coils? Contact or spaced? How did you wick the coils? What did you use for a wick? Is it too tight or too loose?

Honestly if you could post a pic of your coils/wicks that would help a lot. Also, make sure that your airholes are directly in line with your coils.

 

[Kaezziel]

I mean, the Tugboat is fully capable of producing copious amounts of flavorful vapor... it's just all about the set-up. Definitely no need to run out and buy another atty... you just need to learn how to work with what you have and you'll be good to go.

 

[suprtrkr]

Well. .24 is lower than I would go on a mech mod with 20 amp batteries. I don't have any trouble getting good could in the .4-.5 range on a single battery mod. If your tug isn't making cloud at .24, you have a different problem. Try a dual 5/4 wrap with .28 slick wire for about .5 ohms. And look at your airflow and wicking.

 

[nyiddle]

Yes, I have a Osmium Mech mod wit dual batts.

That makes a big difference. You're running 2 batteries in parallel (assuming you have 2 batteries in there). This effectively "halves" the battery life, but doubles the amperage. Assuming you have 2x quality 20A batteries in there (what kind of batteries are you using btw) you are actually running with a 40A limit.

That doesn't mean you should push it though.. In fact, [rant]

Surface area and airflow makes a bigger difference in cloud production than resistance. Usually I advocate for vaping only for the purpose of quitting cigarettes, and not really for cloud-chasing, but if you are interested in large clouds, I strongly recommend you experiment with higher-ohm surface area builds (ie: 10-wrap with a thinner gauge wire). Assuming you have the wicking right, which also takes some experimenting, you'll be able to chuck some truly astounding clouds. The higher resistance (I'm a big fan of the .5-1 ohmrange) + fixed voltage (more on that in a sec) will mean a longer ramp-up time, meaning you may have to push the button for slightly longer. But with a super low ohm build, like .2 ohms, it's probably hard for you to hold the button down for very long without straight-up scorching the wick. That's a problem with low resistance builds -- the wicking can never really keep up.

Fixed voltage. You're set at 4.2V (or lower, as your batteries drain) no matter what you do because you're using an unregulated device. This means that, if the sweet spot of your coil is at 5V or 3V, you'll never actually be able to try the coil at its optimal voltage. For this reason (and because you don't seem super educated on battery safety) I'd really recommend skipping unregulated devices and going to something with variable voltage and, most importantly, protective features. A lot of the devices, like the Sigelei 150W, are jam-packed with safety features such as reverse battery protection, low resistance protection, etc.. Essentially, it's a failsafe potentially preventing you from hurting yourself. A failsafe that, with your current setup, you don't have. The other added benefit of course is that you can blast your 14-wrap crazy surface area .6 ohm coil with the 6V it needs to really kick out the clouds. I used to have a "cloudchasing" video of mine somewhere demonstrating the performance capabilities of a .6 ohm coil at 6V.. Can't find it now, but basically "clouds bruh."

Mind you, these days I'm not really into cloudchasing or even flavorchasing (I vape unflavored/6mg, and only about 3-5mL a day) so you might not want to take my word for it, but most other cloudchasers agree that surface area is of far bigger importance than having a low resistance build.

[/rant]

tldr: What kind of batteries are you using, are you using them in the dual-battery configuration (side-question: are they "married"?), and my recommendation is to switch to regulated devices.

Stay safe, hope that's helpful (in 500 words or less.)

If all you take from this is "40A LIMIT, I'M GOLDEN BABY!".. Pushing that 40A limit is both ridiculous and unwieldy and no wicking in the world will ever possibly be able to keep up and you might just hurt yourself in the process so please don't try it!

 

[Enzovillar]

That makes a big difference. You're running 2 batteries in parallel (assuming you have 2 batteries in there). This effectively "halves" the battery life, but doubles the amperage. Assuming you have 2x quality 20A batteries in there (what kind of batteries are you using btw) you are actually running with a 40A limit.

That doesn't mean you should push it though.. In fact, [rant]

Surface area and airflow makes a bigger difference in cloud production than resistance. Usually I advocate for vaping only for the purpose of quitting cigarettes, and not really for cloud-chasing, but if you are interested in large clouds, I strongly recommend you experiment with higher-ohm surface area builds (ie: 10-wrap with a thinner gauge wire). Assuming you have the wicking right, which also takes some experimenting, you'll be able to chuck some truly astounding clouds. The higher resistance (I'm a big fan of the .5-1 ohmrange) + fixed voltage (more on that in a sec) will mean a longer ramp-up time, meaning you may have to push the button for slightly longer. But with a super low ohm build, like .2 ohms, it's probably hard for you to hold the button down for very long without straight-up scorching the wick. That's a problem with low resistance builds -- the wicking can never really keep up.

Fixed voltage. You're set at 4.2V (or lower, as your batteries drain) no matter what you do because you're using an unregulated device. This means that, if the sweet spot of your coil is at 5V or 3V, you'll never actually be able to try the coil at its optimal voltage. For this reason (and because you don't seem super educated on battery safety) I'd really recommend skipping unregulated devices and going to something with variable voltage and, most importantly, protective features. A lot of the devices, like the Sigelei 150W, are jam-packed with safety features such as reverse battery protection, low resistance protection, etc.. Essentially, it's a failsafe potentially preventing you from hurting yourself. A failsafe that, with your current setup, you don't have. The other added benefit of course is that you can blast your 14-wrap crazy surface area .6 ohm coil with the 6V it needs to really kick out the clouds. I used to have a "cloudchasing" video of mine somewhere demonstrating the performance capabilities of a .6 ohm coil at 6V.. Can't find it now, but basically "clouds bruh."

Mind you, these days I'm not really into cloudchasing or even flavorchasing (I vape unflavored/6mg, and only about 3-5mL a day) so you might not want to take my word for it, but most other cloudchasers agree that surface area is of far bigger importance than having a low resistance build.

[/rant]

tldr: What kind of batteries are you using, are you using them in the dual-battery configuration (side-question: are they "married"?), and my recommendation is to switch to regulated devices.

Stay safe, hope that's helpful (in 500 words or less.)

If all you take from this is "40A LIMIT, I'M GOLDEN BABY!".. Pushing that 40A limit is both ridiculous and unwieldy and no wicking in the world will ever possibly be able to keep up and you might just hurt yourself in the process so please don't try it!

Thanks for the info! Really helped alot! )

 

[Bunnykiller]

and.... clouds are not totally dependant on ohms... lung volume plays a big part of the equation ....