I am a current smoker and I am interested in switching to "vaping"......
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And oddly enough...while I also use eGos early on in my "vaping journey"...I moved up to the fancier, more sophisticated stuff, just like many other vapers have done. The odd part is after over a year of "expanding"...in the past two months I've regressed right back to the eGos (eGo type). Go figure. I have all these fancy VV/VW mods, bottom feeders, elegant wooden APVs, etc. etc.and have a pile of RBAs, clearomizers, BCCs, etc. ...and I am preferring to use eGos with simple little carto tanks. And not even Twists or Spinners, but the standard, pedestrian (but oh-so-effective) eGo style. Go figure.
One never knows what's going to happen when they embark on this adventure!! You don't HAVE to "move up". But you can if you want to do so. Welcome and good luck! And I'll second the My Vapor Store recommendation. Very good outfit. A brick and mortar would be good too...IF the personnel is knowledgeable (which is hard to determine when one is new to vaping).
Some suggestions, other than devices:
I think successful quitting via ecigs is based making it easy on yourself. Easy meaning less exherted effort. This comes mainly comes from two things: intent, and managed impressions.
Intent:
Before you even buy this stuff, just verbalize to yourself that your goal is to replace smoking with something you find equally as satisfying and enjoyable, but more healthy and less unpleasant. Put it on record that, "Assuming ecigs work for me, I *DO* plan to quit smoking". This sets the stage, without putting too much on the line, as long as ecigs keep their promise and deliver for you, your goal is to quit cigarettes.
First impressions
When you first use ecigs, it will make an impression on your mind. Remember the expression "you only get once chance at a first impression". You want to start with a very high nicotine liquid. Higher than average. You want to give your body the impression: these things deliver. Imagine two scenarios:
1. You get average or low nicotine (because you are trying to quit right? might as well start low), you get a craving, reach for the ecig and give it a vape, and are unsatisifed. You begin thinking ecigs are cheesy and don't deliver. You lose interest in them and keep smoking.
2. You get high nicotine (24+). You get a craving, reach for the ecig and give it a vape, and whoaa you start buzzing hard. Maybe too hard, but your brain gets the message "these things DELIVER!" Your body unconsciously (not merely intellectually) learns at a gut level that ecigs will give you your fix. The dopamine instincts that make you reach for an object to cure a feeling will learn to reach for ecigs, this is the key to making this easy, and thus making it work.
From here, assuming you have solidified your intent to use it as a way to quit, you just keep ecigs nearby and vape them hard when you crave a cigarette. Try not to smoke for a week or two. Gradually lower that nicotine after you have formed a habit with ecigs. When you finally go back and smoke a cigarette and it tastes like sucking on an ashtray of harsh burning death, compared to delicious ecigs, you are in the home stretch.
I think successful quitting via ecigs is based making it easy on yourself. Easy meaning less exherted effort. This comes mainly comes from two things: intent, and managed impressions.
Intent:
Before you even buy this stuff, just verbalize to yourself that your goal is to replace smoking with something you find equally as satisfying and enjoyable, but more healthy and less unpleasant. Put it on record that, "Assuming ecigs work for me, I *DO* plan to quit smoking". This sets the stage, without putting too much on the line, as long as ecigs keep their promise and deliver for you, your goal is to quit cigarettes.
First impressions
When you first use ecigs, it will make an impression on your mind. Remember the expression "you only get once chance at a first impression". You want to start with a very high nicotine liquid. Higher than average. You want to give your body the impression: these things deliver. Imagine two scenarios:
1. You get average or low nicotine (because you are trying to quit right? might as well start low), you get a craving, reach for the ecig and give it a vape, and are unsatisifed. You begin thinking ecigs are cheesy and don't deliver. You lose interest in them and keep smoking.
2. You get high nicotine (24+). You get a craving, reach for the ecig and give it a vape, and whoaa you start buzzing hard. Maybe too hard, but your brain gets the message "these things DELIVER!" Your body unconsciously (not merely intellectually) learns at a gut level that ecigs will give you your fix. The dopamine instincts that make you reach for an object to cure a feeling will learn to reach for ecigs, this is the key to making this easy, and thus making it work.
From here, assuming you have solidified your intent to use it as a way to quit, you just keep ecigs nearby and vape them hard when you crave a cigarette. Try not to smoke for a week or two. Gradually lower that nicotine after you have formed a habit with ecigs. When you finally go back and smoke a cigarette and it tastes like sucking on an ashtray of harsh burning death, compared to delicious ecigs, you are in the home stretch.
Hi Danielle. Welcome to ECF. So happy you found us. What is your budget? I am an old lady that smoked 2 pad for 45 years. I spent over two weeks here on ECF asking questions and reading. I did not have a lot of money to spend and I saw that a lot of people after a month or two were getting a whole other kit with upgraded batteries that had vv/vw so they could adjust the taste. So I decided to skip step 1 and go for the Vision Spinner 1300mah, the Evod and some juice. I bought two of everything so I had a backup to use while the other is charging. The larger battery (size of a magic marker) lasts a full day and I can adjust the heat to the individual juices I use. It is 4 months later and I am still using the original 2 spinners and just changing coil on the Evods. Doing this cost me about $30 or so dollars more than a cheaper kit, but for me it worked. You may not need to do this.
I never smoked menthol so I can not give you any tips on that for juice. I smoked Marlboros and found that I like a sweet tobacco, no menthol. It is important to find a juice you like and usually it takes some trial and error. Everything recommended so far are very good options to look at. This is easier than I thought but is confusing in the beginning. Once I started vaping and got the first week under my belt, it all started making sense. Spend time here on ECF and the good people here will help you with any questions you have. You can over think this - that is what I was doing, there are so many choices.
I never smoked menthol so I can not give you any tips on that for juice. I smoked Marlboros and found that I like a sweet tobacco, no menthol. It is important to find a juice you like and usually it takes some trial and error. Everything recommended so far are very good options to look at. This is easier than I thought but is confusing in the beginning. Once I started vaping and got the first week under my belt, it all started making sense. Spend time here on ECF and the good people here will help you with any questions you have. You can over think this - that is what I was doing, there are so many choices.
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Tricky not knowing what's what !. Ideally flavour is what seems to be most important to you. So for a start you probably want to get some Propylene Glycol e liquid, or Pg as it is referred to. This is because the flavour is stronger than the alternative, VG, Vegetable Glycerine. So that being said you need to decide what flavour. You like your tobacco flavour so you need to find a vendor that sells "natural extract tobacco" flavours. These flavours will labelled with recognizable brand names that you will definitely know of. I'd also like to mention that the nicotine level for you would need to be quite high, like 24 mg, or even higher, like 36 mg.
The device itself that would be most practical for your needs would be something like a variable voltage battery and a protank. There are 2 or 3 different brands of variable voltage battery but the one i was thinking of is the Vision Spinner, Large 1300 mah. You'll need 2, 1 for vaping whilst the other charges, plus a charger and wall plug. Protanks are very popular and work really well but you'll need spare coils too. They're easy to fill and will last all day until it needs filling again.
Standard ego batteries just don't satisfy, they simply don't have enough volts ! You need variable voltage batteries. Easy to use, and take a second to learn.
I do hope you find something that works for you i really do !
The device itself that would be most practical for your needs would be something like a variable voltage battery and a protank. There are 2 or 3 different brands of variable voltage battery but the one i was thinking of is the Vision Spinner, Large 1300 mah. You'll need 2, 1 for vaping whilst the other charges, plus a charger and wall plug. Protanks are very popular and work really well but you'll need spare coils too. They're easy to fill and will last all day until it needs filling again.
Standard ego batteries just don't satisfy, they simply don't have enough volts ! You need variable voltage batteries. Easy to use, and take a second to learn.
I do hope you find something that works for you i really do !
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I just answered a similar question in this thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/496016-help-first-setup-200-budget.html#post11380120. I'll post the link to avoid repeating it. Don't let the title mislead you, you can get a great setup for under $100.
Realize that although similar to smoking, vaping an e-cigarette is different. Probably a different draw technique, different in how nicotine is absorbed in vapor compared to smoke, different rate of absorbtion.
1 ppd smokers are suggested to use 18-24 mg nicotine in their e-liquid for starting out. Use the mouth draw technique: Suck on the e-cig as if it were a straw in a thick milkshake - slow, long, gentle draws of 4 - 6 seconds. Hold in the mouth, and then inhale into the lungs or blow it out your mouth and nose.
Nicotine in vapor is mostly absorbed in the mouth and nose, not the lungs, so lung inhales are not required. Drink plenty of water, as the pg/vg in e-liquid can be dehydrating. Exhaling through the nose can help you 'taste' your flavors. Try many different flavors of e-liquid until you find a couple that you really like, this could take some time and experimentation. Purchase smaller bottles to avoid wasting money on larger bottles that you may not care for.
Realize that although similar to smoking, vaping an e-cigarette is different. Probably a different draw technique, different in how nicotine is absorbed in vapor compared to smoke, different rate of absorbtion.
1 ppd smokers are suggested to use 18-24 mg nicotine in their e-liquid for starting out. Use the mouth draw technique: Suck on the e-cig as if it were a straw in a thick milkshake - slow, long, gentle draws of 4 - 6 seconds. Hold in the mouth, and then inhale into the lungs or blow it out your mouth and nose.
Nicotine in vapor is mostly absorbed in the mouth and nose, not the lungs, so lung inhales are not required. Drink plenty of water, as the pg/vg in e-liquid can be dehydrating. Exhaling through the nose can help you 'taste' your flavors. Try many different flavors of e-liquid until you find a couple that you really like, this could take some time and experimentation. Purchase smaller bottles to avoid wasting money on larger bottles that you may not care for.
You've received many good suggestions so I'll just say hello and welcome to ECF!! Good luck on your journey into vaping.
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What i reccomend to noobs and what i wish id started with :
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Pickup 2-3 ego variable voltage batteries. Joytech, kanger, smoktech, and vision all make them. I liked my vision spinners.
Size depends on you, the bigger ones are pretty close in price to smaller so you might as well buy a 1100 or 1300mah, but if you want to keep them smaller in size you can get 400 and 650 mah variables.
2-3 kanger evods. Much better than c4 clearos a lot of stores and kits come with. I still use evods for sampling juices or juices i like with coffee but not for the rest of the day.
A charger (2 if you want one at work)
Case if you feel like you need one
A 5pk of heads for evods (2.2 is my pref)
Local shop -
Go in and sample juices until you are nic sick. You dont need equipment, stores will give you a battery to sample with.
Buy 2-3 bottles of liquid you like. Small ones. Your tastes will change and you might surprise yourself with what you like. I like the opposite of what i thought i would.
What i reccomend to noobs and what i wish id started with :
Online -
Pickup 2-3 ego variable voltage batteries. Joytech, kanger, smoktech, and vision all make them. I liked my vision spinners.
Size depends on you, the bigger ones are pretty close in price to smaller so you might as well buy a 1100 or 1300mah, but if you want to keep them smaller in size you can get 400 and 650 mah variables.
2-3 kanger evods. Much better than c4 clearos a lot of stores and kits come with. I still use evods for sampling juices or juices i like with coffee but not for the rest of the day.
A charger (2 if you want one at work)
Case if you feel like you need one
A 5pk of heads for evods (2.2 is my pref)
Local shop -
Go in and sample juices until you are nic sick. You dont need equipment, stores will give you a battery to sample with.
Buy 2-3 bottles of liquid you like. Small ones. Your tastes will change and you might surprise yourself with what you like. I like the opposite of what i thought i would.
Hi Danielle. I bought a Vamo V2 mod variable voltage/wattage recently and really enjoy it. You could get set up for 80 to 100 dollars or so. I suggest shopping around and getting as much information as you can before investing in something expensive. I started with a evolution x crv and moved up. Good luck, vaping is worth it. Saves $ and is healthier.
Hi Danielle
5 week Vaper here from a 44 year smoker. First off don't rush to buy something you hate Like I did. I got a plain 1100 ego and a protank
it worked as advertised but the juice from that store was horrible. try There juices and find something you like.
3 weeks later I bought a Vamo V5 and with the protank its a whole new world vaping the same products with solid voltage/watts not falling off due to batterys.
Go to a store that will let you try some units and go from that what suits you best, some store will and some won't let you try there mods
find one that will.
5 week Vaper here from a 44 year smoker. First off don't rush to buy something you hate Like I did. I got a plain 1100 ego and a protank
it worked as advertised but the juice from that store was horrible. try There juices and find something you like.
3 weeks later I bought a Vamo V5 and with the protank its a whole new world vaping the same products with solid voltage/watts not falling off due to batterys.
Go to a store that will let you try some units and go from that what suits you best, some store will and some won't let you try there mods
find one that will.
i smoked newpors camel marlboro reds all full on nicotine for over 25yrs.... i suggest a variable voltage device... or any device that will deliver high output... that was the only thing that converted me from smoking to vaping....... the small cig-alike size devices did not put a dent on my smoking.... i even started vaping 24mg nic juice from Halo to begin with... now i use 18/12/6 mg depending on delivery system...... just be careful of over vaping that results from chain vaping as it would surely cause a headache/nausea........... smoke free since 2/1/13 good luck on your journey ....... first step is :: u gonna have to convince yourself that u want it to work .... i got lucky and started with high output devices starting from Joyetech twist then bigger variable mod last but not least full mechanical mod using low resistance coil builds
only way to make vaping cheaper is not to go crazy buying stuff... buy essentials first and let it ride... economical way to go is to learn how to build your own coils and use cotton balls as wick for rebuildable delivery system... igo-w rda from the get go i saved a lot.... to use in a variable volt device make coils 1.3 ohms to 2.8ohms ...... as for mechanicals from 0.7 ohm to be safe on battery ampere draw... use only high quality batteries and study up if u plan to use full mech mods.. once u are very familiar with using mech mods sub-ohm like 0.3 ohm builds can be vaped safely... cheers btw i use Sony 30 amp for my mech mods, it's overkill but i feel safer... there are also aw efest mkne all high drain to support the power needed...
Good luck finding a good eliquid; as for the tank system, many a system are $10-20 for one, and you refill the liquid; you would have to get replacement coils for a dollar or two per coil; the coils would last you a week or months depending on how you vape, plus you might be able to recoil them yourself if you are so inclined. Try the Protank or vivi nova.
Then theres the electrick power source. Of course, buy 2 batteries and USB charger (I bought 6 batteries [plus another 4 more.. I guess that's actually 5 more come to think of it - mini cigalike batteries]). The batteries can be expensive but thats not so bad if they last forever, BUT THEY DON'T!!!!!!
So save yourself some battery money and get yourself a couple o these:
Welcome to vaping! I just made the switch myself almost three weeks ago. This was the only thing that has ever gotten me to stop smoking, aside from pregnancy, which made me sick whenever I lit up. So far, even though I went a little crazy buying upgraded equipment over the weekend, it has def saved me money. A pack here in NYC is $14. I started out with a $15 express starter kit from ivaoe.net. It is a 650 mah, variable volt, passthrough (means you can vape while it's charging) battery that came with a USB charger and a generic, bottom coil tank. The bottom coil tanks are easy to maintain and change flavors on. Really, for $15, I think it's a great place to start just to see if it'll work for you or not. With the variable volts, you can pretty much customize the amount of throat hit you get, which is what I found to be missing from the "cigalike" type batteries you see in mall kiosks and pharmacies (Blu seems to be everywhere now).
Welcome to the forums, and good luck quitting.
For about $23 each, you could get two of these and have a decent setup. Ego Twist 1100mah/Vivi Nova Starter Kit
Also, taste testing at a local vape store is a great idea to find the right liquid. As someone stated earlier, 18-24mg of nicotine is about right to start with. I smoked 1-1.5 packs of Marlboro Reds for 25+ years and 18mg does me well.
For about $23 each, you could get two of these and have a decent setup. Ego Twist 1100mah/Vivi Nova Starter Kit
Also, taste testing at a local vape store is a great idea to find the right liquid. As someone stated earlier, 18-24mg of nicotine is about right to start with. I smoked 1-1.5 packs of Marlboro Reds for 25+ years and 18mg does me well.
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For a starter Kit I'll second this. One intangible is that this outputs a flat Voltage curve. What that means is that you'll be getting a experience close to the Provari [Hummer Tank of VV APV] for the price of a Volkswagon. They are including around $20.00 worth of Cartos too.
I don't like EGO because the output voltage is PWM and unsteady, in addition the chargers are very cheap and I wouldn't trust them, so you always have to attend your unit when charging. I've found the Itaste Shutoffs when charged to be rock solid.
The pass through is the clincher. If you have a long Micro USB Cable like used on a Cel Phone, you can vape while it's charging.
Another Worthy contender is the Itaste MVP if you don't mind the box shape.
I'd suggest that you start out with a 16 or 18mg Juice and work your way down. Myselfy when I'm dripping I'm on around 6MG but in a tank I use 16mg.
You guys have given me some really good info and I can say I think vaping is for me. I've done some research and can't decide which way to go.
I hate to waste money especially on cancer infested cigarettes . So my main question is do you think it is more economical for me to buy a mod with a replaceable/rechargeable battery? I'd just hate to waste the money on a ego twist and have the battery go out on me in 3-6 months. Will the batteries in a mod that takes replaceable/rechargeable batteries last longer? Once again thanks so much to everybody for all the valuable information !!!!
I hate to waste money especially on cancer infested cigarettes . So my main question is do you think it is more economical for me to buy a mod with a replaceable/rechargeable battery? I'd just hate to waste the money on a ego twist and have the battery go out on me in 3-6 months. Will the batteries in a mod that takes replaceable/rechargeable batteries last longer? Once again thanks so much to everybody for all the valuable information !!!!
Hello and welcome to ecf.
Let me say first, that buying a more inexpensive ecig at the starting point is probably better until you learn more about vaping. All of the suggestions are good one and my vote is for the I taste vv3 with iclear16 clearomizers. You can get the kit for under $50 and all you add is ejucie. The reason I am suggesting this one, it the best bang for your buck. It is small but powerful. Once you have it and begin using it, then keep looking and learning.
This link
Genunie Innokin Itaste VV 3 0 ICLEAR16 Starter Kit Complete Kit with More Rivets | eBay is for comparison and a quick look at what I am talking about. If you don't feel comfortable buying here then click on the supplier link at the top of every page and find all the tried and vetted suppliers lots of members use here at ecf. Or click on some of the other links already provided in this thread.
Some people use the ecig to quit the nicotine, but still find enjoyment at vaping zero nic. Some members don't ever plan to stop vaping, nic or not. Depends on you and your goals. I have to say it is definitely the healthier choice and you are very smart in starting to realize just how damaging cigarettes(analogs) are. I wish we would have had this available to us 40 years ago. Yep, that is how long I smoked and I was lucky and made the switch very easily. But I was ready, since I had tried every other harm reduction product on the market and none of them worked. Ecigs works. Count your success by those analogs NOT smoked and if you slip and have one, don't beat yourself up about it. You will quickly decide they taste like an ashtray anyway. LOL.
As far as being more economical, consider starting small and working your way up. With a replaceable battery mod, you have a much bigger investment and it may end up not be what you are looking for.
I have joyetech eGo's that are still working(altho I no longer use them). If you go the eGo way just be sure it is either a true joyetech or a tried and true clone that really works. Nothing lasts forever.
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Anyway you go just remember you didn't learn to walk in one day and so don't expect yourself to learn all about vaping in one day either.
Glad you found us. Let us know how it goes.
Good luck.
the battery mod is a 510 interface container for standard rechargeable batteries. These batteries can be used for things other thank ecigs.
an ego-twist and such other batteries are rechargeable batteries with a 510 interface on them; they are designed to be used on 510 threaded devices - ie ecigs ;
The economical way would be to go for the battery mod container system because it uses standard rechargeable batteries.
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