I asked this in a sub-forum but wanted to get more input......What's with dual coil

[p.opus]

Everything coming out seems to be dual coil now, and for me I don't get it.

It appears to me that dual coil systems use more juice, require more voltage, and have more expensive replacement parts than their single coil partners.

It appears that dual coils have massive benefits for the vendor.
1. Higher Juice consumption = more juice sales
2. More expensive heads = more cash for tank manufacturers and harder to recoil so less users recoiling....again more head sales
3. Battery discharge is faster, so I need more batteries to last the same amount of vaping time.
4. Higher voltage = more stress on battery so the battery has a total life span that is lower....

This appears a win win win win for the vaping suppliers, but a lose lose lose lose for the user.

I used the iClear 16B on my MVP a little bit, and could not really taste a difference than my mini PT 2, but did notice I went through juice much faster and my battery didn't last as long between charges.

Part of me thinks that dual coil is nothing but a scam to sell more juice, sell more heads, sell more batterys and sell more "stuff". But the other part of me says I'm missing something.

Am I missing something? Can someone explain the benefits of a 1.5 ohm dual coil over a 1.5 ohm single coil? or even a single 3.0 ohm single coil?

 

[umarbutt610]

Hi...i am interested now that u said...i have not had any experience with dual coil for single coil suffice for me

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[Fisheeboy]

I hope someone gives you a really good answer to this question because I've been thinking to and asking myself the same things. It has gotten to the point that I only want to buy single coil devices.

 

[Sthur]

I am not a fan yet of pt3 or dual coil stuff like that. Though my rda and mech running at 0.57 dual coils blows clouds and the nic delivery and taste are insane. That's what the hype is the pure simplicity of running a low coil on a mech not electronics messing things up. Plus flavor is great.

Here is my first 1.6 dual running at 0.8 ohms. That like 22 watts and 5.25 amps.

I use a magneto, trident rda, and efast 2k battery. (80 bucks) Now 30a sony vt4 vape safe.

 

[catalinaflyer]

I have tried single coil, dual coil in tanks, carto's and RDA's and as far as I'm concerned other than my Igo-W that I built for the sole purpose of making VG clouds they can keep them.

 

[alkaiser]

unless you want more vapor and have increased airflow, i would stick to single coils

 

[emus]

Not always a win win for vendor because I'm avoiding two hole topper purchases.
I'm looking for a high quality 16ish mm small chamber glass tank topper. I found a beauty but it has two sets of dual air holes; arghh.
I don't wanna pay a lot then have to braze excess holes or fill w/ RTV, epoxy etc.
Please dimple for easy drilling but don't punch the dual air holes through making life difficult for single coil gals and guys.

My all day vape is single coil.
Dual coil is just a play thing for cloud chasing.

 

[p.opus]

I hope someone gives you a really good answer to this question because I've been thinking to and asking myself the same things. It has gotten to the point that I only want to buy single coil devices.

I know....The numbers don't add up.

If I get a Mini Protank 3 with a 1.5 ohm head, and I want to go 7.0 watts then my MVP 2 will calculate and drop 3.24 volts across two 3 ohm coils and I will get two heads firing at 3.5 watts a piece. This will not hit like a single coil at 7.0 watts. So to get the same temperature, I'm going to have to go into vv mode and calculate 7 watts at one of the 3 ohm coils. So I'll have to adjust to 4.58 volts and push 1.52 amps through each coil.

So compare...
1.5 ohm single coil
3.24 volts at 2.16 amps to get 7.0 watts.

1.5 ohm dual coil
4.58 volts at 1.52 amps to get 7.0 watts per coil total of 14 watts at 3.04 amps on the battery.

so to get the same temperature at the coils I need to draw nearly an amp more and adjust my battery voltage up by 1.6 volts more.

And this benefits me how?

I might as well put two mini pt 2's in my mouth and hit them simultaneously, grimm green style........less stress on the battery, that's for sure....

 

[Fisheeboy]

Seems like an unnecessary pain in the ....!! I haven't seen any convincing benefits to speak of.

 

[Stosh]

I know....The numbers don't add up.....

so to get the same temperature at the coils I need to draw nearly an amp more and adjust my battery voltage up by 1.6 volts more.

And this benefits me how?

In theory it's supposed to be like using two mods, sticking two drip tips in your mouth at the same time....
In practice, not so much, unless you can tweak the air and juice flow to compensate for the additional heat.

 

[FearTX]

I have a few PT3s that I use along with my PT2s for mobile pocket friendly vaping.

Dual coil Kanger set ups require a bit more voltage than their single coil counterparts to get the same taste and vapor. This generates more heat in the little head, this caramelizes my sweeter juices and changed the taste. I ordered replacement bottom tank pieces to turn the PT3s into PT2s. I also ordered more of the AeroTank bases to have airflow control. It makes adjustment on the Provari a little better.

I have an IGO-L and a few of the different IGO-Ws I like the dual coil set up in RDAs. You get amazing flavor and vapor from them, you can tune the airflow to keep it cool and not caramelize the juice.

I can wash and dry burn a single coil kanger head for months, I can redo the flavor wicks when they fall apart from dis-assembly. I can only get a cleaning or two out of the PT3 heads.

I will stick with single coil protanks, for me this is not an issue because I only need "mobile vaping" a few times a week. I mostly sit at my desk with and RDA or a Kayfun/R91

 

[Enoch777]

I suspect that these new roundup of dual coil clearos and heads don't truly reap the benefit of a dual coil setup. The reasoning is quite simple though, double the coils, double the juice consumption, double the vapor. You increase your wick-to-coil contact by essentially doubling up whilst maintaining ohms that can fire reasonably well on your setup.

Imagine a single coil that was 4x as long as a typical one. Fired up, it stands to reason you would be vaporizing more liquid per button push than the other, yea? Except it would probably be way too high ohm, perform cruddy, and likely not even fit into the housing of the atomizer unit.

Dual coils achieve this affect of "bigger is better" by doubling your coil length while halving your ohms as each coil acts as a separate resistor. (a 2.4 ohm coil & another 2.4 ohm coil = 1.2 ohm resistance).

Does that automatically mean it's a better vape? NOT EVEN CLOSE. However, your potential vapor production is substantially more provided you can push enough wattage into them safely and have the airflow required to see results.

 

[kathi17]

I wonder the same thing. When I bought my PT3 the other day, I was having a really hard time deciding whether to get it or the PT2. I got the PT3 in case it really was better, but I really don't see any benefits. It doesn't seem all that much better than the MT3S. Both are on Vision Spinners.

I'm not sorry I have it, because I wanted glass, and something that was fully replaceable, but it's not all that much better. I've read it is compatible with an Aerotank base. Maybe I would like it better if I get that.

 

[p.opus]

I have a few PT3s that I use along with my PT2s for mobile pocket friendly vaping.

Dual coil Kanger set ups require a bit more voltage than their single coil counterparts to get the same taste and vapor. This generates more heat in the little head, this caramelizes my sweeter juices and changed the taste. I ordered replacement bottom tank pieces to turn the PT3s into PT2s. I also ordered more of the AeroTank bases to have airflow control. It makes adjustment on the Provari a little better.

I have an IGO-L and a few of the different IGO-Ws I like the dual coil set up in RDAs. You get amazing flavor and vapor from them, you can tune the airflow to keep it cool and not caramelize the juice.

I can wash and dry burn a single coil kanger head for months, I can redo the flavor wicks when they fall apart from dis-assembly. I can only get a cleaning or two out of the PT3 heads.

I will stick with single coil protanks, for me this is not an issue because I only need "mobile vaping" a few times a week. I mostly sit at my desk with and RDA or a Kayfun/R91

I kind of expected as much. Marketing mumbo jumbo....2 heads must be better than one....Twice as good....etc...etc...etc..

Snake oil....Pay more for less.....

I hope I'm not forced to go dual head because they stop making single head units....Kind of like it's tougher to buy coffee that doesn't come in a stinking K-Cup.

 

[kathi17]

I have a few PT3s that I use along with my PT2s for mobile pocket friendly vaping.

Dual coil Kanger set ups require a bit more voltage than their single coil counterparts to get the same taste and vapor. This generates more heat in the little head, this caramelizes my sweeter juices and changed the taste. I ordered replacement bottom tank pieces to turn the PT3s into PT2s. I also ordered more of the AeroTank bases to have airflow control. It makes adjustment on the Provari a little better.

Interesting, I didn't think about PT2 bottoms. I may try them and see which I like better!

 

[Ryedan]

I never got into dual coils when I was using regulated power supplies. IMO there is rarely enough power from those to do them justice and also keeping two coils properly wet seemed like it could be a problem.

Now that I'm into rebuildables and power supplies capable of 15+ amps I really appreciate dual coil builds. I can use less power on each coil and get more performance from the pair than I can get from one at higher power. That flavor, vapor production and very quick start up results in a bit more juice being used which is OK with me. I don't really vape that much these days, but really appreciate the experience these setups give me when I do vape. I also make my own juice, so even if I were vaping 5 or 10 ml a day it wouldn't cost me much.

Battery life per charge depends on more than just watts used per puff. I find I take much shorter drags on this setup compared to a single coil at somewhat less power, so I actually get more battery life. I also probably vape a bit less through the day, but I've never counted puffs.

I am however not using regulated devices which I think is what you're doing. It will be interesting to see how others feel about it.

Vape on


ETA: Well, now I know how other people feel about it. That's what happens when you take too long finishing your post

 

[CommaHolly]

I'll be the weirdo

I love dual coils,,,,,,love the vapor production and I love the heat,,,,,it's my perfect vape,,,,

However,,,,,,,,,the batts don't last as long, which is a PITA and they do go through juice like it's going out of style,,,,,,,

I'm glad I DIY juice,,,,,,,,,50 ml costs me about 2.32 to make.

 

[Ryedan]

I hope I'm not forced to go dual head because they stop making single head units....Kind of like it's tougher to buy coffee that doesn't come in a stinking K-Cup.

You're good p.opus, that will never happen

 

[Enoch777]

so I actually get more battery life. I also probably vape a bit less through the day, but I've never counted puffs.

A reason for a puff counter?????

BLASPHEMY!!!

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

I don't know what it is, but I like the iClear 16b better then the Mini Protank 2. I just do. It seems to give me less dry hits then a Mini Protank does. I also prefer the iClear 16 over single coil top coils. You are right though. They burn through juice very quickly. Thankfully I've switched to cartotanks, and I love them.