I agree and conversely people getting caught stealth vaping where they shouldn't is great ANTZ bait as well. All the vape clique stuff needs to stop but it's just the way things are when dealing with people. Some people need to vigorously defend their choices as being better than the next at whatever the cost. Even if it means giving ammo to those who couldn't be happier to take it from us all.
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I agree and conversely people getting caught stealth vaping where they shouldn't is great ANTZ bait as well. All the vape clique stuff needs to stop but it's just the way things are when dealing with people. Some people need to vigorously defend their choices as being better than the next at whatever the cost. Even if it means giving ammo to those who couldn't be happier to take it from us all.
What's interesting about that is, it's not really even the Sub-Ohmers that Antz are currently demonizing. It's traditional vaping products that all the stories are about. And having that fear and opinion is really no different then arguments I've heard that we should only use cigalikes because strengths are easier to regulate and children won't swallow the liquid.
But either way, this board is starting to get unenjoyable because even this observation I made about my cigarette experience was met with unnecessary hostility. I backed off last week a bit because a juice recommendation of mine was met with similar snobbery
Perhaps its time to just stick with my Facebook groups. People seem to be quite a bit more cool. Most people here are great but in the past month or so, I'm noticing a different board then I remember when I first joined.
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Oberon75, just want to let you know, your not alone. I and many here have, also has gone through that route. Smoking cigs when battery dies. I've learned to be prepared and backed up. I carry an extra set of batteries, juice, even a backup mod in my car. You can keep your ego or mvp, as a backup, now that you have your right setup. I hope that helps.
I too also sum-ohm. But I try to sum-ohm safely. Make sure you know the ohms-law formula and use trusted batteries. Must admit .20 ohms, is a little low for me. But my reason to sub-ohming, is not to chase clouds. Imo I need the high heat, to get that euphoria light-headed feeling, you get from that morning cigarette. I'm more of a flavor chaser, not a cloud chaser.
Not to knock anyone down, but i'll admit I kinda dislike the amount of smoke vapors produce. I work in the hospital, so I try to stay incognito with my habit. The vape production just draws too much attention, to myself and my fellow smoking co-workers around me. On top of that, my biggest pet peeve on cloud chasing, is influencing teenagers to vape.
I tell these teenagers, from time to time. "If I could quit I would!!! There's nothing cool about being addicted to a drug. It slowly controls you." But they see the clouds, or even vape tricks on you tube, and are so easily influenced. If they vape at 0 nic, which I doubt, then I guess I wouldn't mind.
Aside, from that, if chasing clouds is your thing, then vape on. I think your on the same boat as me, using vape as a safer alternative to smoking. Whatever helps you quit the cancer stick. Just remember to vape safely brah!!!
I too also sum-ohm. But I try to sum-ohm safely. Make sure you know the ohms-law formula and use trusted batteries. Must admit .20 ohms, is a little low for me. But my reason to sub-ohming, is not to chase clouds. Imo I need the high heat, to get that euphoria light-headed feeling, you get from that morning cigarette. I'm more of a flavor chaser, not a cloud chaser.
Not to knock anyone down, but i'll admit I kinda dislike the amount of smoke vapors produce. I work in the hospital, so I try to stay incognito with my habit. The vape production just draws too much attention, to myself and my fellow smoking co-workers around me. On top of that, my biggest pet peeve on cloud chasing, is influencing teenagers to vape.
I tell these teenagers, from time to time. "If I could quit I would!!! There's nothing cool about being addicted to a drug. It slowly controls you." But they see the clouds, or even vape tricks on you tube, and are so easily influenced. If they vape at 0 nic, which I doubt, then I guess I wouldn't mind.
Aside, from that, if chasing clouds is your thing, then vape on. I think your on the same boat as me, using vape as a safer alternative to smoking. Whatever helps you quit the cancer stick. Just remember to vape safely brah!!!
And vaping safe is exactly what I'm doing which is why I don't really have the desire to use a mech. I know some people swear by them but my iPV 2S does everything I need it to with safety features included.
I'm actually considering selling my MVP and buying either an iPV3 or 150w Sigelei and just use my 2S as the backup. Not because I'm interested in those kind of watts but because the dual batteries will give me more vape time. I generally keep my vaping between 30 and 60 watts and haven't even considered installing the 70w upgrade yet.
While I do use my MVP as a backup, I've only really found it to vape good with the included iClear and the Kanger eVod tank from my very first purchase. What I have not had with it is any luck with my Nautilus tanks.
At first, I cursed the Nautilus and thought it was over-rated. But after I gained the ability to kick up the watts, I find it to be great between 15 and 20 watts.
I understand the concern about the kids because my 13 year old seems a little too curious about my hobby which is why I try to only rebuild my coils in the middle of the night when he can't watch and I can also have complete concentration.
And we have had discussions about vaping and how I really don't want him trying it but if he did to please wait until he is an adult. And during the conversation, he said a pretty big percentage of kids in his school do in fact vape. The only thing is, they don't have the Sub Ohm setups like I'm using but are using ciga-likes and the cheap spinners and juices that the gas stations are selling them. The exact same gas stations that used to sell me cigarettes when I was a young teen.
Meanwhile the B&M's here are turning down kids all the time because vaping is their bread & butter and they want to keep the industry respectable. When I saw a father bring his teenage son into the B&M the other day because it was cold outside, the employees told him his son wasn't allowed in the store. So I think that for the most part, the stores that strive on advanced mods are doing their best to keep them out of the hands of kids.
And perhaps it's a little comforting to know that the young 18 year old sub-ohmers I run into at the Vape Lounge in my area are in fact vaping zero nic unless they were former smokers. I also know that dripper specific juices only come in three strengths. 0, 3 and 6. I'm not saying some of them aren't going to vape nicotine. Just that most aren't because there's really no reason to.
Zero nic also means greater clouds for this kind of vapor. So when it comes to kids and vaping, I would be much more concerned about what the gas stations and liquor stores are selling over the APV's and mechs in the B&M and online.
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I was on board with the topic until you brought up the war against sub ohming. It's tough, the cliche that's being built for the rest of us by the media, because of cloud chasing, is making it easy to regulate and ban vaping all together. It's not a war against your right to make smoke, it's mainly just the displeasure of being a normal vape user who is being miscategorized as a cloud chaser. That's the conflict. They can't make a law that has a limit at an arbitrary level of smoke, so when you chase your clouds in public it's just one more nail in the coffin for the rest of us. I'm waiting for vaping to be banned while driving because of some subohmer casting a cloud that causes them to run somebody over.
As for your dependency on nicotine, why not just buy a cheap disposable ecig if smoking a real one bothers you.
As for your dependency on nicotine, why not just buy a cheap disposable ecig if smoking a real one bothers you.
The last cigarette I smoked when I first started vaping tasted bad and was unsatisfying, didn't even finish it. 61/2 months later I smoked another and it was very nice 
tasted good and was nice to have it in my hand. Hate to say it but there it is. Haven't had any more.
As far as sub ohming goes, hey whatever floats your boat! I am not doing it presently but might take it up at any time. I have a big dripper around here someplace. Basically waiting on buying a new mod to handle the higher power requirements but I am no longer in any hurry to piss my money away.
In any event, no amount of conforming or kneeling in front of the ANTZ types will appease them one bit so I don't think "our" collective image suffers.
Plus............... if it turns out vaping really is the devil the sub dudes will be the first to go giving fair warning to the rest of the low key clearo guys. Canary in a coal mine scenario.
tasted good and was nice to have it in my hand. Hate to say it but there it is. Haven't had any more.As far as sub ohming goes, hey whatever floats your boat! I am not doing it presently but might take it up at any time. I have a big dripper around here someplace. Basically waiting on buying a new mod to handle the higher power requirements but I am no longer in any hurry to piss my money away.
In any event, no amount of conforming or kneeling in front of the ANTZ types will appease them one bit so I don't think "our" collective image suffers.
Plus............... if it turns out vaping really is the devil the sub dudes will be the first to go giving fair warning to the rest of the low key clearo guys.
Canary in a coal mine scenario.Yup us subohm dudes running a .7 ohm dual setup at like 19 watts are soooo much worse than regulated guys running a 1.2 at 85 watts sorry we are ruining vaping for all of you in the public eye. Stoopid. And yes that deserves two O's instead of a U.
Im glad to hear your vaping on an ipv2s. You can't get much safer then a regulated mod. I apologize to you Oberon. I automatically assumed you were on a mech mod. The last thing, I want to hear from the "oh so biased media" is another article about a fellow vapor blowing up their hand.
It is true, vaping in general has developed a negative perspective with regards to the media. They just don't see it as a safer alternative to smoking. Then again, I really do believe they are influenced, by the billion dollar tobacco companies and also the gov.(who regulates state tax on tobacco products). But thats just me.
As for teenagers influenced into vaping. You totally changed my perspective on the subject. Your right, most of the local vape shops, card or dont even allow a minor to come into the shop. I guess they are doing their part to keep vaping respectable. And if teenagers really do want to chase clouds, I guess 100% vg with 0 nic is the way to go, since the more nic you put in, the more likely your going to cough.
Someone should monitor, these gas stations, selling vape/tobacco/alcohol products to minors. I know thats where I got my first pack of cigs. at a young age.Or even, online purchasing. I know my nephew, orders mods online with my sisters credit card, and sells it to his classmates. Wow, have times have changed!!!
As for the sub-ohiming, issue, like I stated before, as long as your doing it safely then vape on!!! Like the local vape shops, I also want to keep a respectable reputation when it comes to vaping, thats all. I think its safe to say, that most of us our on the same boat; "vaping as a safer alternative to smoking". I just hope it stays that way and the oh so biased media, doesn't misconstrue the public!!!
So what exactly is a normal vapor? Somebody who uses a cigalike? Somebody who uses an eGo? Somebody who uses a variable voltage spinner? How about a 20w iStick user? It's all subjective.
And the funny thing is that the ANTZ aren't even using Sub-Ohming as a target and they most likely don't even know what it is. Can you link me to all the Sub Ohm stories in the news that are threatening your "Normal Vaping"? They are after everybody who vapes, regardless of what you are using.
Now what about all the eGo fires and explosions like this one right here?
Maybe people should stop using those too and everybody just start using a Mark Ten. We wouldn't want vaping taken away from us. Would we? But I know exactly what kind of battery is in my mod and I did a lot of research on it. I also have an 18650 charger that's loaded with safety features. Do you know what kind of battery is in your device or how safe it is?
And Sub-Ohming doesn't necessarily mean cloud chasing either. Have you ever heard of flavor chasing? Because most of us are looking for better flavor and nicotine satisfaction that you cannot really get from a tank and there is also a huge difference between a Doge and a Plume Veil. One is for cloud chasing and one is for flavor. But apparently, sub-ohming is cloud chasing regardless of what you are doing.
And when I'm driving, I can easily drip some 50/50 at 20w or so and not cause any distractions.
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Obviously you took offense to what I said. Ok, what I meant, and the point I thought I made was, that if people are using a
Sub ohms, to cloud chase in public, it makes the rest of us look bad. To most people who don't vape, it's smoke to them..and it's unhealthy, and dangerous, etc. I myself don't care what you do, I'm just suggesting that huge clouds of smoke in public will just give people more reason to push for regulation, and more importantly, less reason to resist it.
Sub ohms, to cloud chase in public, it makes the rest of us look bad. To most people who don't vape, it's smoke to them..and it's unhealthy, and dangerous, etc. I myself don't care what you do, I'm just suggesting that huge clouds of smoke in public will just give people more reason to push for regulation, and more importantly, less reason to resist it.
I used to do alot of cloudchasing as well because of the lung feeling... But now i use a mini dripper 1.0 ohm at 25w and 10mg nic... Gives a really satisfying feeling when vaping... And i can see where im driving now!
I just use an EGO-C with 12mg 70pg/30vg blueberry and menthol. The experience is exactly like smoking menthols except I can do it in my house, car or restroom and nobody bugs me. Thank god.
WoW, has the topic change. The topic went from bumming a cig, to a sub-ohm cloud chasing discussion...LoL. I just felt the need to comment, because I want to remind you all, we're ALL in this together!!! Im assuming everyone here vapes, weather your a cloud chaser, sub-ohmer, flavor chaser, or start up kit user. .It shouldn't matter, vape is vape. Most likely we got off the cancer stick, or are trying to, and into a safer alternative You guys ever wonder, why employees at most vape shops are cool. Yes, its a business, and they want your money, but also the want to keep vaping respectable!!! We all should do the same, at the least, towards one another.
Must I remind you all, that we have a bigger nemesis at hand??? We got the media persuading the masses on the negativity of vaping. We got the tobacco companies trying to keep their businesses striving. We got our own governing states losing money, on taxed tobacco products, trying to regulate us. We have the FDA with their inconclusive studies. And they're probably ALL working TOGETHER trying to shut us down.
My only pet peeve with vaping, was influencing minors to vape. Im assuming, we all know what its like to be addicted to nicotine. I wouldn't want the same for any minor trying to reach the late stages of adulthood. At that note, I rather have them vape then smoke cancer sticks. Most likely, they're probably vaping on 0 nic with 100% vg.
Aside, from that, we are all vapors here. Instead of nit-picking how you vape, can't we all just get along. We're ALL on the same boat here, and should, hopefully, learn to respect one another. We got bigger enemies at hand. You think the media, tobacco companies, FDA, or government cares on how we vape??
Must I remind you all, that we have a bigger nemesis at hand??? We got the media persuading the masses on the negativity of vaping. We got the tobacco companies trying to keep their businesses striving. We got our own governing states losing money, on taxed tobacco products, trying to regulate us. We have the FDA with their inconclusive studies. And they're probably ALL working TOGETHER trying to shut us down.
My only pet peeve with vaping, was influencing minors to vape. Im assuming, we all know what its like to be addicted to nicotine. I wouldn't want the same for any minor trying to reach the late stages of adulthood. At that note, I rather have them vape then smoke cancer sticks. Most likely, they're probably vaping on 0 nic with 100% vg.
Aside, from that, we are all vapors here. Instead of nit-picking how you vape, can't we all just get along. We're ALL on the same boat here, and should, hopefully, learn to respect one another. We got bigger enemies at hand. You think the media, tobacco companies, FDA, or government cares on how we vape??
I do know what you feel!!! Big Time!! I do Atlantis, and whenever I tried analogs, they taste is .....ty and the smoke is not even satisfying...
I tried a friend's Kanger Evod, and mumbling inside my head, if I have this device, I will be surely still owned by analogs
Great words to conclude.
A someone's ciga-like and or EVOD are as precious as someone's Sub-ohm if it can make them away from cancer stick!
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