I think I may have found the holy grail

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CallmeB

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You can use CO2 as well. All you and I need it for is the pressure. Hell I have a compressor capable of 150 psi. Wonder if that would be enough. I just looked it up on a bike forum where they use those canisters to fill tires. They say one of those might produce as much as 100 psi. Now All I need is a small canister capable of holding that much pressure and a rapid release system. I'm thinking it might be time for a home depot run. If only I had any money to buy such equipment. I could probably make one. Just need a solid tank. I might suggest this to the local e cig place. I bet that guy could afford to buy one of those isi whips.
 

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Ok... I bet I'm getting on some of your nerves, but I think I'm on to something now. I just watched a manual method of infusion using a double boiler. Takes 2-3 hours. This is for making herbal infused oils. I think that's comparable to what we are trying to do. Just put your normal mixture MINUS the nicotine, as I have heard nicotine evaporates under heat, in a glass bowl or anything that can rest on top of a sauce pan with boiling water in it. Don't allow the glass bowl with your e juice to touch the boiling water. Only the steam should be heating the bowl. Then wait 2-3 hours and ur done. No need to steep (we really need to stop calling this steeping. It is called infusion). At least that is how it is done with oils. I think it's at least worth a try. I'll see what I can pull together in the kitchen and test this tomorrow.
 

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Go through a lot of cartridges...

I think the co2 method would be best used for tobacco juice as it takes such a long time to infuse. One of the biggest reasons to vape is that its WAY cheap, so I feel ya on the cost of cartridges. I see them on ebay 50 for $33. That's not so bad. The isi whip thing costs $100 on the other hand. I haven't done much looking, but I did see some for $30 (no name Chinese brand).
 

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Amanda use it with a e juice mix. Tell us what's what. Don't put any nicotine in. Just VG/PG/flavor. Pressurize it with 2 cartriges. Shake and depressurize quickly. I'd also heat the mix before hand to facilitate the infusion. All liquids are more soluble when hot than they are when cold. High heat will likely breakdown the flavor so keep it under 200F (~90C). I found some cheap versions of this thing on ebay. I'll get one eventually. For the mean time I'm going to try the heated infusion process. 3 hours on a double boiler. This is how oils have been infused for 100's of years. What we do with this e juice isn't anything new.
 

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Doesn't the pressure just squeeze stuff out of solids though? I would stick with 3 hours in the crockpot/slowcooker, i dug mine out yesterday, gave it a shot and it worked awesome, didn't make my juice fizzy either ;)

LOL!! (I still remember the awful nasty sour, fizzy cream when I used the wrong cartridge - and I did it more than once, thinking the cream must have bene bad!)

Yeah, I think it might be a great way to extract, say, vanilla from beans. But the crockpot works really well for fast-steeping those few mixes that need it - and I can just do little 6 mls trials in it as well, which would be hard to do in the whipper!
 

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Well I'm going to give the heated method of infusion a go tonight, but NOT in a plastic dropper bottle. Glass is one of the least reactive materials on earth. I'll be doing this in a tiny 1.4oz jar I found. (I save all glass jars) I'm thinking of suspending the jar from the top of a lid over the steam of boiling water. the crock pot would work too, but that is not how professionals infuse oils, so I'm gonna do it that way. If it works, I'll make a video explaining the how, what and why of it.

I would really like to try this under vacuum, as liquids boil under a high enough vacuum. Chemical bonds require energy to form, as I understand it. The reason normal infusion (sitting the mix to the side for a week) is so slow is that there is no energy being exerted on the mix. Heat should facilitate bonding. I need to get that guy on youtube to do a video on this. (NurdRage)
 
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LOL!! (I still remember the awful nasty sour, fizzy cream when I used the wrong cartridge - and I did it more than once, thinking the cream must have bene bad!)

Yeah, I think it might be a great way to extract, say, vanilla from beans. But the crockpot works really well for fast-steeping those few mixes that need it - and I can just do little 6 mls trials in it as well, which would be hard to do in the whipper!

You used the CO2 when you were supposed to use the Nitrous Oxide.
 
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