Illinois SB32 proposed bill to ban possession of nicotine products by minors

[pamdis]

SB0032 99TH GENERAL ASSEMBLY

A person under 18 years of age shall not possess an alternative nicotine product.

1st violation - $50 fine and 25 hours of community service
2nd violation - $75 find and 50 hours of community service
3rd violation - $200 and 50 hours of community service

The court may also order the minor and his parents to attend a smoker's education program.

The smoker's education programs are modified to include the physical and psychological effects and health consequences of alternative nicotine products.

 

[twgbonehead]

The smoker's education programs are modified to include the physical and psychological effects and health consequences of alternative nicotine products.

So they take attendance and send you home?

Or do they spew lies at you for a couple weeks?

 

[Niten13]

"The smoker's education programs are modified to include the physical and psychological effects and health consequences of alternative nicotine products."

Sounds like Brainwashing to me..

 

[pamdis]

"The smoker's education programs are modified to include the physical and psychological effects and health consequences of alternative nicotine products."

Sounds like Brainwashing to me..

Just ignorant legislators. Since smoking is so dangerous, let's assume everything with nicotine is too, and throw that in as well. They just added the underlined parts:

a seminar designed to educate a person on the physical and psychological effects of smoking tobacco products and alternative nicotine products and the health consequences of smoking tobacco products and alternative nicotine products

 

[twgbonehead]

Just ignorant legislators. Since smoking is so dangerous, let's assume everything with nicotine is too, and throw that in as well. They just added the underlined parts:

a seminar designed to educate a person on the physical and psychological effects of smoking tobacco products and alternative nicotine products and the health consequences of smoking tobacco products and alternative nicotine products

So someone who likely never smoked is going to have to sit through getting lectured about the dangers of smoking?

 

[Kent C]

We should make up 'data packets' for them to take with them "Peering through the Mist" for example.

I'm guessing there will be no smoke breaks.

 

[HMav]

Smoking alternative nicotine products is a terrible idea. I don't know why one would want to do that, they would all just taste like burnt plastic.

 

[Bill Godshall]

During the 1990's, in response to our efforts to reduce cigarette industry marketing to youth (e.g. Joe Camel, Marlboro Gear, rampant retailer sales to minors, etc.)
Big Tobacco companies joined forces with Big Retailers (NACS, grocers, drug stores) to create the We Card program and to lobby for laws in all 50 states to scapegoat, blame, shame and punish youth for possessing, purchasing or using tobacco products.

I and others successfully campaigned to defeat youth possession and usage ban bills in about half of the states, but most state legislatures banned youth from purchasing tobacco, which were the most important laws for the tobacco retailers because they also protected retailers from being held legally accountable if their employees were caught selling to youth (by criminalizing the minimum wage store clerk instead) and by banning me and others from conducting future compliance tests to see if retailers were actually selling to youth.

Although I convinced many/most tobacco control groups and activists to oppose these Big Tobacco bills to scapegoat youth, CTFK, ACS, AHA, ALA did very little if any lobbying against these bills in most state legislatures (despite my many requests and pleas), as the tobacco controllers at their DC national offices were focussed on getting money from State AG lawsuits and federal (not state or local) policies, particularly the 1996 FDA regulation (that I helped Mitch Zeller develop in 1994/95, and that was subsequently struck down by the US Supreme Court in 2000).

As I recall, many/most tobacco control activists in Chicago and IL (back in the 1990's) also opposed criminalizing youth for possessing or using tobacco products, and some of them still work for ANTZ groups. So the ANTZ in Illinois may not lobby for this bill.

 

[twgbonehead]

As I recall, many/most tobacco control activists in Chicago and IL (back in the 1990's) also opposed criminalizing youth for possessing or using tobacco products, and some of them still work for ANTZ groups. So the ANTZ in Illinois may not lobby for this bill.

It will be interesting to see whether this is still the case, or whether the rabid anti-ecig fervor will overcome this kind of rational thought.

Given the latest attitudes, which strongly suggest that TC advocates fear e-cigs more than analogs, I don't have much hope.

 

[Kent C]

So... "let's use our fake 'caring about kids' to attack business". We could do this with childhood obesity too! Make it a crime to sell a candy bar. Use childhood 'spies' to trap/test them.

 

[Jman8]

minors = political pawns

If it were ANY other segment of the population, lawsuits would be filed so fast it would make your head spin.

The irony / extreme hypocrisy is that everyone, ever existing, was once one of them. Can't say that about ANY other population segment.

 

[pamdis]

During the 1990's, in response to our efforts to reduce cigarette industry marketing to youth (e.g. Joe Camel, Marlboro Gear, rampant retailer sales to minors, etc.)
Big Tobacco companies joined forces with Big Retailers (NACS, grocers, drug stores) to create the We Card program and to lobby for laws in all 50 states to scapegoat, blame, shame and punish youth for possessing, purchasing or using tobacco products.

I and others successfully campaigned to defeat youth possession and usage ban bills in about half of the states, but most state legislatures banned youth from purchasing tobacco, which were the most important laws for the tobacco retailers because they also protected retailers from being held legally accountable if their employees were caught selling to youth (by criminalizing the minimum wage store clerk instead) and by banning me and others from conducting future compliance tests to see if retailers were actually selling to youth.

Although I convinced many/most tobacco control groups and activists to oppose these Big Tobacco bills to scapegoat youth, CTFK, ACS, AHA, ALA did very little if any lobbying against these bills in most state legislatures (despite my many requests and pleas), as the tobacco controllers at their DC national offices were focussed on getting money from State AG lawsuits and federal (not state or local) policies, particularly the 1996 FDA regulation (that I helped Mitch Zeller develop in 1994/95, and that was subsequently struck down by the US Supreme Court in 2000).

As I recall, many/most tobacco control activists in Chicago and IL (back in the 1990's) also opposed criminalizing youth for possessing or using tobacco products, and some of them still work for ANTZ groups. So the ANTZ in Illinois may not lobby for this bill.

My bad for not being more clear in the OP. This bill is an amendment to the smoking law already in effect that already prohibits possession of tobacco products by minors.

They added the prohibition of selling alternative tobacco products last year(?). But apparently they forgot the possession part and are adding it now.

Or possibly they were convinced by advocates to remove the possession part when they passed the sales ban, and are now adding it back in hoping no one will notice.