Imeo, any change for copper contacts on the GGTS

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I was just thinking how to take the GG to a whole new level. There are many first for a GG and I have personally own 3(admits guilt) of them. But why not copper contacts to take it to a whole new level.

Copper is rate 100 on the conductivity scale and electrical conductivity chart is based on copper with silver at 108 and brass at 67. Copper corrodes slower than brass and conduct much better than brass, silver conducts the best but is super corrosive and soft.

Imeo, I believe this will make GG un-catchable in the market.

Any thoughts on this?
 

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yep, but I suppose we can re engineer the design to protect the copper and leave only the contact points with the battery open.

The reason I am asking this is because I have seen mods with copper contacts that exhibit no voltage drop under no load and very little drop under load. It also fires better and will squeeze out more juice from your battery.
 

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Copper is toxic and silver be a better choice if engineered correctly. If it was pure silver firing pin and button pin. The conductive electricity flows faster according to the elemental tables and its rated number one better than copper.

Personally I am happy with what I have but if Imeo decides to change the contacts again I do hope it would be in Silver for top of the line connectivity.
 

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all mods have no voltage drop without load alv:)
Under load, the GG has 0,1 voltage drop at 3,7 volts with 1,5 ohm wire. So even if copper has for example 0,8 voltage drop, the difference is not noticeable from humans. But be sure that copper comes green much sooner than brass. Do you remember when I made sample firing pins for button? I didnt bring them to market because when I went to machine shop after 3 days to test them they were already green!
yep, but I suppose we can re engineer the design to protect the copper and leave only the contact points with the battery open.

The reason I am asking this is because I have seen mods with copper contacts that exhibit no voltage drop under no load and very little drop under load. It also fires better and will squeeze out more juice from your battery.
 

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Conductive Relationships Charts
Conductivity is the measured amount of eddy current generation created on a metal target's surface. Contrary to popular belief, gold in its purest state is not a better conductor of electricity than pure silver. Silver is the best conductor when compared to all other metals detected with metal detectors.

It is important also to understand that basic metals take on new conductive properties when alloyed with different metals. On the Conductive Order of Metals chart 1, listed are the basic types of metals and some common alloys in order of descending conductive relationship. If you become familiar with this order, it will be of great value when making decisions on discrimination levels in the field.
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In chart 2, listed is a range of targets typically found while metal detecting. Their order was derived by passing each entry across the search coil of White's Spectrum XLT - a detector equipped with visual identification and recording the corresponding 0-100 reference scale meter reading.
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These numbers are listed for reference only and should not be compared to any other visual identifier. Notice on this chart where the smallest silver coins are in relationship to larger silver coins. Notice where gold coins reside in relationship to undesirable targets such as the pulltab and screw cap.

The discrimination setting used to routinely reject common trash items can actually reject some of the more desirable gold and platinum rings which are set with expensive diamonds. Detectors whose meters point to or display trash target labels, such as "pull tab" and "screw cap", should not be taken at face value in all search locations.

If the dug ratio of trash targets to good targets reduces time efficiency in the field, obviously higher levels of discrimination and target labels can be used more effectively. For those who do not have visual identifying detectors, use of notch filter discrimination can increase the efficiency in such situations.

The conductive relationships shown in the charts can be used to advantage. One should set up a discrimination level according to the targets present at the metal detecting site. It is done by setting up the discrimination level to zero and digging up several targets before deciding what setting (if any) is optimal. One should keep in mind the age of the site and the types of coins that may be present.

One example of a mistake would be using a discrimination setting which rejects the new "square tabs" just because several of them were found lying on the surface of a wooded area suspected of being a picnic grove in the 1850's. If such a place was attractive back then for picnics, it could also be attractive to people today for the same purpose.

On chart 2, you will see that a silver three-cent coin occupies the same conductive level as the square tab! Despite all the modern technological advances, "state-of-the-art" circuitry, and fancy sales rhetoric, the most accurate detector is still a shovel! In other words, "if you are not sure, dig!"

Every time we come back to the sites that we or other detectorists had searched numerous times before, we make new valuable finds. Why is this happening? There are two reasons: the winter frosts that turn the buried targets over, and the excessive usage of Discrimination - sometimes "silver coins only". Thank God, many detectorists utilize high levels of Discrimination on their metal detectors! This allows a serious treasure hunter to recover the most valuable coins and artefacts at the "hunted-out" sites. Just like there is a range of conductivities of metals, there is a range of ways of conducting the search. You decide which one is yours!

Referenced from Metal Detecting world.
 

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keep copper out of mods!!!!! copper when heated releases a toxic gas which i believe is an oxide and is very harmful. you do not want that anywhere near your mouth. now thats not to say the contacts would get hot enough to release this gas, might only happen during a malfunction with the mod or improper use, but better safe than sorry. silver plated all the way
 

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keep copper out of mods!!!!! copper when heated releases a toxic gas which i believe is an oxide and is very harmful. you do not want that anywhere near your mouth. now thats not to say the contacts would get hot enough to release this gas, might only happen during a malfunction with the mod or improper use, but better safe than sorry. silver plated all the way

Funny and a bit related: Copper gas, when trapped and crystalized creates azurite--the main ingredient of blue tattoo ink.
 

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just a thought here, not to challenge anyone here and what I have done is I have gotten a silversmith to replicate the contacts on the GGTS and he is trying to mill it for me. If it suceeds, I am going to gold plate it for protection as gold does not corrode.

I am just experimenting to see if it works. Hopefully I will get no haters here:)

@TSH, I am concerned about conductivity as I am an audiophile and copper with gold is the status co for high end audio products, so I am thinking it might work. Silver is the best conductor but it is relatively more expensive than copper.
 

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Guys I don't know about you but I am extremely content and happy with the way the GGTS is right now. Its one of the best Mechanical mod you can possibly own. Imeo, is always coming out with new ideas and testing a lot of different things that he doesn't say to us. he has not let us down with quality or innovation. Who knows maybe when he gets ready for another run of GGTS he'll let us know at that time. In the meantime I don't know about you but I NEED TO VAPE....
 

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Plating contacts is not a very clever idea guys. I did it once and I will not do it again. Previous versions of GGTS had nickel plated contacts and they got raveled. And imagine that nickel plating is much stronger than gold plating.
Soon your contacts will ravel and you will have problems. The best you can do is to clean your contacts. GGTS is made in a way that gives you the ability to fix it yourself and thats the best thing in the world.

Dont bring problems to yourself or try to solve a problem that doesnt exist. I first plated contacts in e-cig history and I am the first that tells you not to do it, especially on moving contacts like on button.
The pure metals are always better for our purposes
 
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just a thought here, not to challenge anyone here and what I have done is I have gotten a silversmith to replicate the contacts on the GGTS and he is trying to mill it for me. If it suceeds, I am going to gold plate it for protection as gold does not corrode.

I am just experimenting to see if it works. Hopefully I will get no haters here:)

@TSH, I am concerned about conductivity as I am an audiophile and copper with gold is the status co for high end audio products, so I am thinking it might work. Silver is the best conductor but it is relatively more expensive than copper.

Apart from what imeo said ( which is correct ) gold plated contacts have another downfall which is its melting temperature , every time you fire the switch a tiny spark arcs , this tiny spark has a very high temperature and will pit with time . On a banana plug its perfectly fine being there is no physical disconnect . Now as a person that's worked in the semiconductor development industry ( audio and now biomedical ) I can tell you that the vast majority of audiophile stuff is very similar to religion ( very subjective to ones belief and if you were to test it with scientific methodology you would be surprised with the results ) the plating on a banana plug is only a few microns thick , it basically does nothing to the sound , what it does do is stop oxide from building up which in time would hinder conductivity. The only thing you need for good sound is
1. Speakers your ears enjoy ( the most important thing , I've listened to many speakers which were considered to be all that and cost a arm and a leg only to find something that sounded better for a quarter the price )
2.a decent room (almost as important as speakers )
3.A amp that can drive them and is atune to them .
4. Source. ( no 128 mp3s ) :)
I'm only saying this because I don't like seeing people obsess over things and being suckered into buying nonsense ( I know people that have spent 10k in euros just on speaker cables , which is just insane )
Hope my post is helpful ;)


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Just a thought, what about silver thermal past on the contacts? I'm not a genius at any of this and patiently awaiting the chance at my first GG but I was toying with the idea.

This would be a bad idea imho. Thermal paste will dry up and need to be cleaned frequently. It will also likely pick up dust.
 
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