Impressed with these Chinese mech clones

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What's your testing procedure? Those are very low voltage drops. You should get around that just from battery voltage drop and the AGA's resistance, plus you've got a relatively low-resistance load, indicating your circuit is near-perfect.

Plus the CCTS is a telescoping mod with a spring. A voltage drop that low would place it among the best available.
 
Comparison of real Empire to the K100 clone
Done in a local vape shop yesterday with my Empire. Here are the differences....

Empire is made entirely of very lightweight aircraft aluminum with a brass button bottom switch.
K100 seems to be made of 100% steel and is substantially heavier.

Empire screw threads on the body tube are very fine and very precise.
K100 screw threads are courser with more play or slop. You can't interchange any Empire parts with the K100...different threads.

Bottom button on both work in the same manor with the same style of ring used to lock the button "off"

Empire mod has no engraving or identification numbers on or inside the unit.
K100 has engraving/etching "on-off" on the bottom locking ring. It also has has engraving/etching around the top tube.

Empire has a 901 native atty connection without any drip well.
K100 has a 510 native atty connection with a built-in drip well.

Both the Empire and K100 will accept numerous batteries due to the telescope design.

The K100 feels solid, is quite heavy, and seems to have good reviews. On the other hand, it certainly looks and feels like a mass produced piece. The Empire has a very different feel to it. You can tell it's hand machined and built to very high tolerances, it's extremely light and feels like an aircraft or aerospace part.

Yes, the K100 is an Empire knock-off...."clone" is too nice of a word. It's not exactly the same...some of the sizing is different and the turned ribs are not replicated exactly. I'm going to buy a K100 just to keep my Empire a little safer and less beat-up.

It's hard to beat the price for such a nice looking mod. Too bad Empire Mods can't seem to get more Empire's produced, they are brilliant and beautiful little mods!
 

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What's your testing procedure? Those are very low voltage drops. You should get around that just from battery voltage drop and the AGA's resistance, plus you've got a relatively low-resistance load, indicating your circuit is near-perfect.

Plus the CCTS is a telescoping mod with a spring. A voltage drop that low would place it among the best available.

I get .3v more voltage drop with my Agat compared to my CObra if I keep everything constant/same and test a 1.0ohm coil on both. SO like you said the CCTS would have to have no voltage drop at all for some one to get only 0.2-0.3v voltage drop over all....doesn't sound right.

Edit: Forgot to mention....I know people who tested a 1.0ohm coil with the AGAT on a Poldiac and they got near 0.6v voltage drop overall with that set up. I doubt the CCTS or the K100 are going to out perform the Poldiac.
 
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StaircaseWit:9006468 said:
What's your testing procedure? Those are very low voltage drops. You should get around that just from battery voltage drop and the AGA's resistance, plus you've got a relatively low-resistance load, indicating your circuit is near-perfect.

Plus the CCTS is a telescoping mod with a spring. A voltage drop that low would place it among the best available.

I used an inline voltage meter with 18650 Panny batteries fresh off the charger. I was getting 4.21 volts with no load. 3.80-3.90 volts under load while tilting to ensure good wicking of the coils.

The better the wicking ... the lower the voltage drop I received. Dry burning resulted in 3.6-3.7 volts.
 

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Behold...the king of the clones

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Behold...the king of the clones

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I saw this yesterday and when i saw the price my jaw hit the floor.To me it looks exactly like the KTS only difference,it actually has an adjustable air flow,that is not there for looks.I am not sure this thing is worth the $129.00 price tag???
 

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I saw this yesterday and when i saw the price my jaw hit the floor.To me it looks exactly like the KTS only difference,it actually has an adjustable air flow,that is not there for looks.I am not sure this thing is worth the $129.00 price tag???

I'm going to guess it is better made, heavier and drops less voltage but 129.99...I'll save a little bit longer and get an EA.
 

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Comparing voltages at the atty posts between different mods and attys is pointless. Where is the voltage drop; atty or mod? Measuring inline between atty and mod is second best because the drop will vary by battery, but it much more convienient than the best option.

Ideally you should take 2 measurements if you want to compare things; measure inline and at the posts. That will give you a good idea what you need to focus on to improve the circuit.

My CCTS runs about a .13v drop inline and my AGA-T+ (1.1ohm coil) drops an additional .30v at the posts for a total loss of .43v.

Electricity doesn't care about the price tag. ;)
 

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I used an inline voltage meter with 18650 Panny batteries fresh off the charger. I was getting 4.21 volts with no load. 3.80-3.90 volts under load while tilting to ensure good wicking of the coils.

The better the wicking ... the lower the voltage drop I received. Dry burning resulted in 3.6-3.7 volts.

Okay, that makes a bit more sense. I'm going to have to look into the dry/wet burn thing -- I've done a bunch of tests with a bare coil as I was told that's the best way to test multiple devices under load.



Comparing voltages at the atty posts between different mods and attys is pointless. Where is the voltage drop; atty or mod? Measuring inline between atty and mod is second best because the drop will vary by battery, but it much more convienient than the best option.

Ideally you should take 2 measurements if you want to compare things; measure inline and at the posts. That will give you a good idea what you need to focus on to improve the circuit.

My CCTS runs about a .13v drop inline and my AGA-T+ (1.1ohm coil) drops an additional .30v at the posts for a total loss of .43v.


It's not pointless if you check mods side-by-side with the same battery and atty. The mod becomes the variable.

Is the first number with no load? I get no voltage drop without a load on my iseason.
 

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Really enjoying the K100 with a Mini DuD the last few days. The look is pleasing to me and the vape is right on.

Glad I waited to get into mech mods now that cheaper knock offs are abound. I was looking at other tests and they seem to echo what I'm seeing .... These clones are performing just as good if not better than some higher end devices.

While the resell value and "status symbol" factors aren't that high ... all I really care about is an excellent vaping experience. And I'm getting it at a fraction of the cost. More money to further my genesis collection. Lol
 
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