Inconsistance taste on BIG batch DIY eliquid

[man00ver]

I had another look at your pictures, where you compared coloration of the "perfect" 30mL batch with samples from your larger batches. Then I re-read your OP:

- less darker than my 30ml batch even after 2 weeks.
- lost the tastefulness n missing certain note on certain flavor (even for Dominant flavor)
- smell different from 30ml batch

Since you don't think it's an issue with steeping, and assuming you're still using all the same ingredients, the only thing left is an error in measurement. The color differences support a change in flavoring ratios that scales with your batch size; the 30mL batch is darkest, and the 1L batch sample appears even lighter than that of the 200mL batch.

Best to try again, using syringe or graduated-cylinder measurement instead of drops...even for the 30mL batches.

 

[zack_munningham]

@man00ver
Im somehow need to agree with your suggestion.
I will make 30ml batch using measuring cylinder and syringe version as well..see how are they going to turn up.
When consuming more than 6 flavors at a time for a recipe,its kinda hard to break it down piece by piece.
Anyhow,despite of all frustration and headache,i enjoy brewing as much as i vape,so,i will give a shot on any possible technique that can eventually brings out the shine and better outcome.

I may not totally experience on CREAMY flavor..and the steeping issue could be the 'culprit' for my current larger batch,i will stick to a longer steeping and monitor or any improvement.

@Yiana
Ill keep this post all the update and hope this thread will also give others better understanding to overcome such matter.

If you are up to make larger batch,kindly share with us your result. Or mayb roughly on what type of flavor you make also some % rates.

 

[zack_munningham]

I had another look at your pictures, where you compared coloration of the "perfect" 30mL batch with samples from your larger batches. Then I re-read your OP:

Since you don't think it's an issue with steeping, and assuming you're still using all the same ingredients, the only thing left is an error in measurement. The color differences support a change in flavoring ratios that scales with your batch size; the 30mL batch is darkest, and the 1L batch sample appears even lighter than that of the 200mL batch.

Best to try again, using syringe or graduated-cylinder measurement instead of drops...even for the 30mL batches.

Do you mind to share e juice calculator that you use for your diy? I can try to compare the percentage with current apps.

Bias on measuring liquid can contribute to this issue but im a bit sceptical considering 30ml batch maintained its quality.

I really appreciate your suggestion and will take that into account. I will try it today but need to wait for steeping

 

[man00ver]

I use this calculator most often, but I'd expect it renders the same results as most others:

DIY e-juice | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

Usually I assume it's my fault when things go wrong; usually, I'm not wrong about THAT. Only human, after all.

 

[zack_munningham]

I use this calculator most often, but I'd expect it renders the same results as most others:

DIY e-juice | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

Usually I assume it's my fault when things go wrong; usually, I'm not wrong about THAT. Only human, after all.

Thanks mate..

Yeah,after all,HUMAN..lets face it

Sometime learning process can be costly..haha

 

[herb]

This is an excellent calculator

 

[zack_munningham]

This is an excellent calculator




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@herb
That looks okay..
Currently using e-juice Lab apps on smart phone

 

[herb]

@herb
That looks okay..
Currently using e-juice Lab apps on smart phone

Well it's the one that well over 90% of ALL e juice mixers use so there has to be a reason for it.


There is endless information about flavorings/percentages etc... under the tools tab as well.

It seems what i said in post #3 is what has turned out to be the case here because it can't happen any other way imo.

 

[93gc40]

Something else to consider... Some flavors or flavorings don't scale up or down in a linear or perfectly proportional fashion..... Just because you need 10% of an ingredient at 10ml doesn't mean you'll need the same 10% at 30ml. You might need more or less of some ingredients. That is part of the why the suggested flavoring percentages, as given by suppliers, are ranges rather than fixed values. This is why there is more than 1 version of most recipes.

 

[AndriaD]

Sorry..i mean 4drops for 0.1ml so 40drops for 1ml.

The glass dropper bottle is only for my final product or i can say i just brew directly into this glass bottle. While brewing,i use plastic PET 30ml bottle( all flavoring in this PET bottle) with quite a small tip.

Maybe you are referring to glass dripper bottle for the value you stated in your last reply @herb ?

For the plastic 30ml PET bottle,ive tried couple of time and still getting 40 drops /ml.

I still try to figure it out what happen to my 1L and 200ml batch

I had a lot of problems when I first started DIY, due to using drops instead of syringes. When I started using syringes for everything, no matter how small the batch, a lot of the problems disappeared. You can get 1ml syringes which allow .00 ml measurements. I have never been able to find any agreement whatsoever on how many drops per ml, and it varies a lot depending on the dropper -- Pg anywhere from 30-37 drops per ml, VG anywhere from 24-28 drops per ml, and if Pg and Vg are mixed, then fuhgeddaboutit, you'll never know exactly how many drops. Using a syringe for all measures solves the entire problem.

Andria

 

[zack_munningham]

Someone else will certainly chime in I'm sure - I can only say I had the same experience but my issue is - I love my juice fresh. That's how I learned and that's what I want to taste. I have no patience for letting it sit for weeks on end. When I did do this - thinking it would make my juices taste better - I needed up not liking it at all - so I had to drop some Koolada in so I would vape it or passed it on to a friend who is like Mikey - she will vape anything as long as it's free!

I only make 100mls at a time and have that vaped up inside of 2 week cept for about 10mls or so in the bottom - I use that to "steep" up the next batch...I pour the freshly made right on top and shake.

Unconventional, yes. I like it though.

@MsLoud
I cant wait either..if possible,i like to make my juice straight away without the need of steeping period.

Somehow,creamy flavor doesnt work that way..well,when error happen,i do have a few friends that can vape almost anything as long as they are free..just like your Mikey

Fruity flavor,i just simply make 100ml at a time..sometimes 200mls.

 

[zack_munningham]

This is an excellent calculator




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@herb
I just got this for my dekstop. Much easier to view while preparing juice thank you for the suggestion.

Back to the #post3, i cant really agree with this because this 'inconsistence' happen not just once,in fact more than twice.and it happen only on CREAMY flavor.

Maybe @93gc40 has some point there. I was thinking like could it be..
some of my flavoring % were 'borderline' (less is bad,more is worse) ??
When i make 30ml batch,all 23.5% were measured by drops and PG/VG by syringe.
This happen to minimize my error on flavoring % ,in fact,make it more precise??

OR..it just happen that some flavors are not linear when making different quantity and volume.

 

[AndriaD]

@MsLoud
I cant wait either..if possible,i like to make my juice straight away without the need of steeping period.

Somehow,creamy flavor doesnt work that way..well,when error happen,i do have a few friends that can vape almost anything as long as they are free..just like your Mikey

Fruity flavor,i just simply make 100ml at a time..sometimes 200mls.

My strawberry & cream is very creamy, actually almost custardy it's so rich; I don't intentionally steep it at all, because I use the "high flavor mix" technique -- 30% total flavoring. It's better after 1-3 days, but it's vapable right after mixing. But because of that, if you make a large quantity, you may want to add some citric acid after about 24-72 hrs, to "freeze" it at that stage, so it doesn't change further. I've made as much as 60ml (10 days-2 wks' supply), and it does keep getting stronger and sweeter.

Inawera Shisha Strawberry 16%
TFA DX Bavarian Cream 6%
TFA Vanilla Swirl 4.5%
CAP Sweet Cream 2%
TFA Sweetener 2%-3%

Andria

 

[zack_munningham]

My strawberry & cream is very creamy, actually almost custardy it's so rich; I don't intentionally steep it at all, because I use the "high flavor mix" technique -- 30% total flavoring. It's better after 1-3 days, but it's vapable right after mixing. But because of that, if you make a large quantity, you may want to add some citric acid after about 24-72 hrs, to "freeze" it at that stage, so it doesn't change further. I've made as much as 60ml (10 days-2 wks' supply), and it does keep getting stronger and sweeter.

Inawera Shisha Strawberry 16%
TFA DX Bavarian Cream 6%
TFA Vanilla Swirl 4.5%
CAP Sweet Cream 2%
TFA Sweetener 2%-3%

Andria

Hi @AndriaD

Thank you for sharing some of your working method.
Just want to ask you some question.
Does that citric acid really 'freeze' the taste? My creamy juice is getting sweeter and sweeter from day to day and not to forget,the taste become more complex and unique.from blueberry muffin (after 5 days) to choco muffin+butter (2weeks) and blueberry cotton candy (a month after). Is this sounds normal?? somehow i really enjoy this changes but somehow,if possible,i want to make 3 bottle that have all these taste (if i can 'lock' them)..

My creamy juice recipe doesnt really work well with creamy..the easier way to have more delicate taste to my taste bud will be vanilla swirl,sweat cream and cream.

I would like to make larger batch at a time to spare some slot for my weeknd rather than just sit at home preparing 'stock' for the week after..but i still having hard time figuring my current issue..inconsistent taste for larger batch creamy flavor.

@93gc40 has some good point to consider.im going to give a try on every possible tips recommnded by other users in ecf..i really2 appreciate all the effort on replying and response to this thread.

Thank you guys

 

[AndriaD]

Hi @AndriaD

Thank you for sharing some of your working method.
Just want to ask you some question.
Does that citric acid really 'freeze' the taste? My creamy juice is getting sweeter and sweeter from day to day and not to forget,the taste become more complex and unique.from blueberry muffin (after 5 days) to choco muffin+butter (2weeks) and blueberry cotton candy (a month after). Is this sounds normal?? somehow i really enjoy this changes but somehow,if possible,i want to make 3 bottle that have all these taste (if i can 'lock' them)..

My creamy juice recipe doesnt really work well with creamy..the easier way to have more delicate taste to my taste bud will be vanilla swirl,sweat cream and cream.

I would like to make larger batch at a time to spare some slot for my weeknd rather than just sit at home preparing 'stock' for the week after..but i still having hard time figuring my current issue..inconsistent taste for larger batch creamy flavor.

@93gc40 has some good point to consider.im going to give a try on every possible tips recommnded by other users in ecf..i really2 appreciate all the effort on replying and response to this thread.

Thank you guys

It's been discussed in the TFA thread that the way to "lock" a flavor is to add citric acid -- it doesn't need much; what I've seen discussed is to make up the citric acid into a 10% solution -- a scant quarter-tsp in 10ml of PG -- and then add .5%-1% to the mixed juice, at the point where you want the flavor to remain stable -- for me, that would be at about day 3 after mixing, for that strawberry & cream.

The flavor development you described is pretty normal; not all types of juice will do that, but those that do, do go thru a sequence of flavor development -- particularly tobacco flavors, which seem to require a pretty long steep for best flavor.

Andria

 

[herb]

@herb
I just got this for my dekstop. Much easier to view while preparing juice thank you for the suggestion.

Back to the #post3, i cant really agree with this because this 'inconsistence' happen not just once,in fact more than twice.and it happen only on CREAMY flavor.

Maybe @93gc40 has some point there. I was thinking like could it be..
some of my flavoring % were 'borderline' (less is bad,more is worse) ??
When i make 30ml batch,all 23.5% were measured by drops and PG/VG by syringe.
This happen to minimize my error on flavoring % ,in fact,make it more precise??

OR..it just happen that some flavors are not linear when making different quantity and volume.

ManOOver said:

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the only thing left is an error in measurement.

And you said :

Im somehow need to agree with your suggestion.

My initial post said it HAD to be an error in measurement from the beginning , this can't happen any other way !!!! LOL

But you still are not convinced , take your own words , somehow you NEED to agree with the suggestions.

 

[man00ver]

@herb - Hey, let's be helpful. New guy needs help. Post #3 was a bit vague and had no real suggestions. You did suggest a picture of a calculator, OP eventually found the link on his own, tried it and liked it, and thanked you for it. Hopefully his results will improve, right?

 

[zack_munningham]

@man00ver thank you for clearing that.
Herb must have misunderstood what i meant,actually i was trying to relate manOOver's point on the ratio / 'error' in measurement with 93gc40's opinion,not all flavors are linear when we scale up to larger batch. Im really sorry if i make things confusing..my bad.again..im sorry @herb.

I appreciate all suggestions listed or replied in this thread,theres no full stop in learning..need to find the best way that work for me.

Again..im sorry guys

 

[herb]

@herb - Hey, let's be helpful. New guy needs help. Post #3 was a bit vague and had no real suggestions. You did suggest a picture of a calculator, OP eventually found the link on his own, tried it and liked it, and thanked you for it. Hopefully his results will improve, right?

In post # 3 i think i stated the obvious , if you make sure you follow the exact procedure and measurements of the original recipe it is not possible to have it come out differently .

There has to be some difference for this issue to happen , there is no other possible way it can happen if you did the identical thing was my point . This is just basic common sense to me but i'll move on , i did my best .

 

[MsLoud]

It's been discussed in the TFA thread that the way to "lock" a flavor is to add citric acid -- it doesn't need much; what I've seen discussed is to make up the citric acid into a 10% solution -- a scant quarter-tsp in 10ml of PG -- and then add .5%-1% to the mixed juice, at the point where you want the flavor to remain stable -- for me, that would be at about day 3 after mixing, for that strawberry & cream.

The flavor development you described is pretty normal; not all types of juice will do that, but those that do, do go thru a sequence of flavor development -- particularly tobacco flavors, which seem to require a pretty long steep for best flavor.

Andria

OK so now I need to get acquainted with this citric acid technique or I'm mixing my Peanut Brittle weekly...sigh. I decided to let the last 20mls or so "steep" a bit from an older bottle (first trial run to be exact) and pretty much my same recipe only bumped the AP up .5. Anyways - hubs was wanting more of a "creamy" Peanut Butter and I wanted more nutty - heh - so I let the mix sit for the last few weeks to see what it would do. I hate it. He loves it. It totally LOST it's edge for me. The Peanut is so vague - it's like an afterthought. I do not and will not change my recipe. It is fantastic shake_n_vape. I figure it retains this for no more than 6 days then I start to get the more sweet creamy and the nut starts to fade out. By day 10 it changes completely to creamy peanut butter mixed with karo syrup - whoch is what hubs was after..he's happy so that's something at least

Heck with it - I'll just make 50 mls at a time...not messing with perfection LOL I'm starting to think I'm wierd

I also think hubs is a "super taster"? Or maybe HE is the weird one!