Increase VG Increase Sweetness?

[Fidola13]

hi all!

I’ve been sampling the mixes I made from a week and half ago and they came out good.

However i made them at 60 PG 40VG to increase the so called throat hit. Well it’s hitting my throat all right but now too much.

My question is when I go to remix a new batch using the different PG/VG ratio will that change the sweetness? Or will I need to adjust flavor percentages to compensate for the increase in VG?

For some reason I seem to think I read that VG is sweet compared to PG.

That’s it. Thanks for all the help you’ve given me.

sara

 

[WillyZee]

try the same exact recipe at 50/50 and 60VG/40PG ... bet you like one of them.

 

[bombastinator]

VG is only very slightly sweet, and different people perceive that sweetness differently. You’ll probably just have to try it and adjust to taste

 

[stols001]

I haven't mixed with much PG, but yes, VG is slightly sweet and PG isn't though it may be more of a flavor "carrier" so it could wind up being six of one and half a dozen of the other. I'd use what you know you like first, if overflavored you can always dilute it. I really don't believe you will see a huge difference.

I'm still trying to amend my juices with this PEG400 I got (I am PG sensitive) and I'm not really clear on its exact properties yet (other than I can vape it unlike PG, and I am getting way less cloudy. I pretty much am adding 20% to my mixes I have and a bit more sweetener, but it will be nice to try it with some new juices and allow everything to steep. I've had some "meh" moments with it, but I think that may be expected.

Anna

 

[bombastinator]

I haven't mixed with much PG, but yes, VG is slightly sweet and PG isn't though it may be more of a flavor "carrier" so it could wind up being six of one and half a dozen of the other. I'd use what you know you like first, if overflavored you can always dilute it. I really don't believe you will see a huge difference.

I'm still trying to amend my juices with this PEG400 I got (I am PG sensitive) and I'm not really clear on its exact properties yet (other than I can vape it unlike PG, and I am getting way less cloudy. I pretty much am adding 20% to my mixes I have and a bit more sweetener, but it will be nice to try it with some new juices and allow everything to steep. I've had some "meh" moments with it, but I think that may be expected.

Anna

PEG is what they gave me 3 liters of for my colonoscopy. I would avoid consuming too much of it.

 

[stols001]

That's not PEG400, I believe it is PEG(some-other-number). I have taken Mirilax for colonoscopy preps before, and I'm not entirely sure I'd vape it, although I kind of doubt it would have the same sort of laxative affect as ingesting it. I don't think Mirilax is vapable though, this is some other form of PG-like substance, although to be fair, I've used Mirilax on occasion and trust me, there are worse laxatives.

The main horrors of the Colonoscopy prep is HOW MUCH of it they make you drink. I was worried about my colonoscopy generally, but what I REALLY should have worried about was the day before prep. There is so, so a reason that they tell you to take the day before off, not the day afterward.

Thanks for having Crohn's disease, mommy, and making it so I got to have "the colonoscopy" sooner. I'm not looking forward to my next one, that's for sure.

Anna

 

[OlderNDirt]

Welcome to the "dialing it in" stage!

You might mix up the same recipe at 40 PG / 60VG and try that. That may be good to you as it is, but if you lose too much TH, mix with your first batch for approximately 50/50. One of the three should work or at least get you close enough to enjoy.

 

[dc99]

I haven't mixed with much PG, but yes, VG is slightly sweet and PG isn't though it may be more of a flavor "carrier" so it could wind up being six of one and half a dozen of the other. I'd use what you know you like first, if overflavored you can always dilute it. I really don't believe you will see a huge difference.

I'm still trying to amend my juices with this PEG400 I got (I am PG sensitive) and I'm not really clear on its exact properties yet (other than I can vape it unlike PG, and I am getting way less cloudy. I pretty much am adding 20% to my mixes I have and a bit more sweetener, but it will be nice to try it with some new juices and allow everything to steep. I've had some "meh" moments with it, but I think that may be expected.

Anna

Anna, keep me posted on your trials of the PEG. I have the same issue as you. I even tried to get used to it by slowly upping the PG% a couple percent at a time. Didnt work.

 

[stols001]

Well, so far so good as far as not being allergic to it or anything. I've been putting small amounts in my tank for now. So my main issue is flavor/nic drop but I want to make good and sure I can vape it before I start mixing with it.

Definitely less visible clouds. I should probably DO a mix today so I can try it in a week or so and see what I think. I'm planning perhaps 65/VG and 35/PEG400 to start, I've gotten used to the thick haze that surrounded me, LOL. I may actually keep some distilled water, but I'm not sure yet. Maybe I'll mix up both, same flavorings, and see how I like the vape.

It definitely works I'm just not sure how it's going to affect flavor since I've been testing "works" at the expense of everything else, but I am pleased about reduction in vape clouds, for sure.

Anna

 

[dc99]

Well, so far so good as far as not being allergic to it or anything. I've been putting small amounts in my tank for now. So my main issue is flavor/nic drop but I want to make good and sure I can vape it before I start mixing with it.

Definitely less visible clouds. I should probably DO a mix today so I can try it in a week or so and see what I think. I'm planning perhaps 65/VG and 35/PEG400 to start, I've gotten used to the thick haze that surrounded me, LOL. I may actually keep some distilled water, but I'm not sure yet. Maybe I'll mix up both, same flavorings, and see how I like the vape.

It definitely works I'm just not sure how it's going to affect flavor since I've been testing "works" at the expense of everything else, but I am pleased about reduction in vape clouds, for sure.

Anna

From everything I have read (much like regular PG) the flavor should brighten up. Sharper top notes and such. I dont think the flavor gets stronger with PG, just more sharp and a lot less steep time. I do like the fullness you get from the high VG. (if that makes sense)but I miss the sharpness from PG

 

[BrotherBob]

However i made them at 60 PG 40VG to increase the so called throat hit. Well it’s hitting my throat all right but now too much.

You have just joined the max. VG club, welcome. I started exactly like you, 50/50 was no problem, until PG caught up with me and the body (throat) could not take PG added to a mix any more. Suggest you try less and less PG until you have to go to zero PG or Max. VG (I can some tolerate PG in recipes that have no more than 7-8 PG cut flavors in the mix).
I would think your best course is to try successively less PG in a mix until you hit your happy spot. The best talk on this subject to date:
http://forum...................../t...nediol-recipe-mixing-allergic-reations/137548

 

[Fidola13]

You have just joined the max. VG club, welcome. I started exactly like you, 50/50 was no problem, until PG caught up with me and the body (throat) could not take PG added to a mix any more. Suggest you try less and less PG until you have to go to zero PG or Max. VG (I can some tolerate PG in recipes that have no more than 7-8 PG cut flavors in the mix).
I would think your best course is to try successively less PG in a mix until you hit your happy spot. The best talk on this subject to date:
http://forum...................../t...nediol-recipe-mixing-allergic-reations/137548

Sounds like a good plan. Going to try a few mixes at at smaller increments of VG see where it gets me.

sara

 

[Fidola13]

You have just joined the max. VG club, welcome. I started exactly like you, 50/50 was no problem, until PG caught up with me and the body (throat) could not take PG added to a mix any more. Suggest you try less and less PG until you have to go to zero PG or Max. VG (I can some tolerate PG in recipes that have no more than 7-8 PG cut flavors in the mix).
I would think your best course is to try successively less PG in a mix until you hit your happy spot. The best talk on this subject to date:
http://forum...................../t...nediol-recipe-mixing-allergic-reations/137548

For some reason I can’t open that link. I get a notice that says server can’t be found. I’ll search for it tho. Thanks

 

[Fidola13]

I haven't mixed with much PG, but yes, VG is slightly sweet and PG isn't though it may be more of a flavor "carrier" so it could wind up being six of one and half a dozen of the other. I'd use what you know you like first, if overflavored you can always dilute it. I really don't believe you will see a huge difference.

I'm still trying to amend my juices with this PEG400 I got (I am PG sensitive) and I'm not really clear on its exact properties yet (other than I can vape it unlike PG, and I am getting way less cloudy. I pretty much am adding 20% to my mixes I have and a bit more sweetener, but it will be nice to try it with some new juices and allow everything to steep. I've had some "meh" moments with it, but I think that may be expected.

Anna

Thanks Anna you’re right it probably will be a wash. Hadn’t thought of that angle. I’ll try a few sample mixes at higher VG ratios with no change in flavor % and report back.

Thanks as always for your advice and suggestions sara

 

[Letitia]

I went 10% higher in vg and notice no added sweetness in my mixes, just needs a bit longer steep.

 

[IDJoel]

@Fidola13, to dial in the PG/VG ratio, you could do several quick small down-n-dirty mixes of just PG and VG. No flavors, no nicotine, and no waiting. Just combine the two into a 1mL batch, shake, and vape. Once you find the ratio that works best for you; you can start adding nicotine and flavors again.

Nicotine, and some flavor concentrates, can also contribute throat hit; so this method will allow you to discover what is coming from the PG, and what might be coming from nic or flavors. It also doesn't waste the more expensive nic and flavor inventory.

 

[Fidola13]

@Fidola13, to dial in the PG/VG ratio, you could do several quick small down-n-dirty mixes of just PG and VG. No flavors, no nicotine, and no waiting. Just combine the two into a 1mL batch, shake, and vape. Once you find the ratio that works best for you; you can start adding nicotine and flavors again.

Nicotine, and some flavor concentrates, can also contribute throat hit; so this method will allow you to discover what is coming from the PG, and what might be coming from nic or flavors. It also doesn't waste the more expensive nic and flavor inventory.

Great idea! Thanks sara

 

[BrotherBob]

For some reason I can’t open that link. I get a notice that says server can’t be found. I’ll search for it tho. Thanks

Sorry, I thought this forum would allow E Liquid Recipe forum to be mentioned. Could go to ECR and type in "1-3-propanediol" to read. My bad, Worth the effort.

 

[Fidola13]

Oh that’s ok that’s the main site I use to find my recipes. Its great cuz if u list ur flavors it can find recipes that u can make w what u have.
Perfect for a newbie like me!

 

[IDJoel]

Sorry, I thought this forum would allow E Liquid Recipe forum to be mentioned.

We can mention ELR, even name E-Liquid Recipes as a site; we just can't attach links.

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