Inexpensive batteries?
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Yeah... It could be that.
Or it could just Be that People Don't Know how to Tell a Real Battery from a Fake. Buyers. Or Sellers.
Oddly enough ebay sellers are more obsessed with positive sales feedback than any independent shop I've ever bought from.
I personally think the KING of 18650 batteries today is the Sony VTC5. Nothing compares, not AW, panasonic, mnke.... no one.
2600mah, 30a discharge.... fantastic battery. I got mine from Mt Baker Vapor, at the time there were 2x$22.. I bought 6 of them, had my % off coupon... cant remember my exact total, but I go thru 2 to 3 in a day (depending on vaping habits) so I'm always good to go.
Bottom line, to me, the vtc5 is the best vape battery money can buy, it has the sony name behind it, came from a staple business in our commnity, so theres no way these are fakes, did I pay an extra $1 a piece? maybe I did, but at the end of it, it was an extra $6 say, and that was worth it to me so I know everytime I pick one up there is zero doubt in my head its faked, rebranded, or altered in any way.
Cant buy 6, buy 1 or 2 today, and buy 1 or 2 next payday....... before you know it you'll have an arsenal of top quality, top of the line vape batteries and people will look at you and say, gee I wonder where he got those so cheap from?
2600mah, 30a discharge.... fantastic battery. I got mine from Mt Baker Vapor, at the time there were 2x$22.. I bought 6 of them, had my % off coupon... cant remember my exact total, but I go thru 2 to 3 in a day (depending on vaping habits) so I'm always good to go.
Bottom line, to me, the vtc5 is the best vape battery money can buy, it has the sony name behind it, came from a staple business in our commnity, so theres no way these are fakes, did I pay an extra $1 a piece? maybe I did, but at the end of it, it was an extra $6 say, and that was worth it to me so I know everytime I pick one up there is zero doubt in my head its faked, rebranded, or altered in any way.
Cant buy 6, buy 1 or 2 today, and buy 1 or 2 next payday....... before you know it you'll have an arsenal of top quality, top of the line vape batteries and people will look at you and say, gee I wonder where he got those so cheap from?
LG is better. Fatter in the belly of the curve.
Samsung INR 25R too.
Which, btw, I was meaning to mention . . .. . One way to increase the risk of buying fake/counterfeit batteries is to buy the most popular, talked about, brands. (AW & SonyVTC)
Samsung INR 25R too.
Which, btw, I was meaning to mention . . .. . One way to increase the risk of buying fake/counterfeit batteries is to buy the most popular, talked about, brands. (AW & SonyVTC)
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What he said^^^^^^^!
If you're vaping at .2ohm, by all means get the highest amp rated battery you can find. The Sony 30amp VTC5 will smoke almost anything coming out of the gate fresh off the charger, but the LG and Samsung's will leave em in the dust for the next 10 laps. They hold a noticeably harder hitting mid range. (Based on experience and actual performance in vape quality).
If you're vaping at .2ohm, by all means get the highest amp rated battery you can find. The Sony 30amp VTC5 will smoke almost anything coming out of the gate fresh off the charger, but the LG and Samsung's will leave em in the dust for the next 10 laps. They hold a noticeably harder hitting mid range. (Based on experience and actual performance in vape quality).
Is there some objective evidence of this? No chart I have seen bears this out.
No... No evidence I can find either. That's why I added the disclaimer. I've seen lots of tests and charts on flashlight forums but I have yet to see extensive comprehensive tests that measure performance in a scenario that simulates vaping and focuses on the part of the voltage range we are most interested in. Vaporizers use power very differently.
I found this on the Samsung 20R's but nothing so far on the 25R's:
Test/Review of Samsung INR18650-20R 2000mAh (Green)
My conclusions are based on the fact that I have all the top batteries and have run them all on the same dual coil setup at .4Ω and observed how much juice I burn through before losing acceptable vape quality.
But when it comes to vape quality that's when I discovered a noticeable difference in vape between the Sony, Samsung and LG. I switched back and fourth between them for more than 2 weeks before making a firm conclusion. But it didn't take that long to notice. Anyone who has had the opportunity to compare the 2 will tell you there is a very noticeable difference in mid range hit.
I really wish someone would do the testing to back it up. I have the skill and experience but I don't have the time and equipment. You really can tell the difference when vaping. It would be really nice if it were formally documented.
I would recommend just sucking it up and buying some Sony VTC5's and be done with it. They are the best cells with the lowest IR, and will kick .... for whatever application you need.
If you're cheap or don't require 30A of power, you can also score "dead" makita packs and salvage the good cells out of them (usually the packs are 5s1p or 5s2p, and only 1 or 2 of the cells in the series is dead, and the rest of the cells are still good.
A good place to search for good used cells is on the EV forum:
endless-sphere.com
You can learn a lot reading the sticky posts in the battery section as well...
If you're cheap or don't require 30A of power, you can also score "dead" makita packs and salvage the good cells out of them (usually the packs are 5s1p or 5s2p, and only 1 or 2 of the cells in the series is dead, and the rest of the cells are still good.
A good place to search for good used cells is on the EV forum:
endless-sphere.com
You can learn a lot reading the sticky posts in the battery section as well...
I'm Constantly Amazed by the Amount that People used to Spend on Smoking a Day, Every Day, to Now what People will do to Try-n-Save 4 or 5 Bucks.
Scavenging Used Battery Packs which had Failed for Unknown Reasons is about the LAST Thing I would Suggest to Anyone wanting to Buy a Battery.
In this forum it's mostly regulated mods, so for us the vape quality won't change. It's all about the battery draw and ultimate lifespan. Looking at the chart, the three batteries are very, very close in performance: AkkuDB
Each performs a little better in a certain area of the curve, but it's hard to say whether any of it is outside measurement error, the differences are so small. The bigger differences probably show up at higher amperages, 10+ perhaps.
I'm Constantly Amazed by the Amount that People used to Spend on Smoking a Day, Every Day, to Now what People will do to Try-n-Save 4 or 5 Bucks.
Scavenging Used Battery Packs which had Failed for Unknown Reasons is about the LAST Thing I would Suggest to Anyone wanting to Buy a Battery.
LOL. In all fairness some of this (scavenging for batteries) is in the journey, experience and the fun of doing it... I've done it from laptop batteries (new, old stock) but I don't use them in my vapes, I use them in my flashlights.... but it was fun, I enjoy taking things apart.
as for lg or the samsung inr being better, they may be...? but I still think the sony vtc5 is the undisputed king of the 18650 world right now..... The grey panasonics cgr's are good cells too.... regardless if you need the 30a or not, the price difference is usually so minor ($6-$7 vs $9-$10) why not get what I consider to be the better cell for the extra couple of bucks.....
I remember reading a thread somewhere, talking about people buying $50+ mods, $40+ tanks, $15+ juice and trying to cheap out on the batteries...... I'm adjusting the prices to be more affordable
LOL. In all fairness some of this (scavenging for batteries) is in the journey, experience and the fun of doing it... I've done it from laptop batteries (new, old stock) but I don't use them in my vapes, I use them in my flashlights.... but it was fun, I enjoy taking things apart.
as for lg or the samsung inr being better, they may be...? but I still think the sony vtc5 is the undisputed king of the 18650 world right now..... The grey panasonics cgr's are good cells too.... regardless if you need the 30a or not, the price difference is usually so minor ($6-$7 vs $9-$10) why not get what I consider to be the better cell for the extra couple of bucks.....
I remember reading a thread somewhere, talking about people buying $50+ mods, $40+ tanks, $15+ juice and trying to cheap out on the batteries...... I'm adjusting the prices to be more affordable
I spent $160 ~ $185 a Month, Every Month, on Cigarettes. And All I got out of it was a Big Pile of Butts in a Trash Can.
If I need a New Battery, I go out and Buy a New Battery.
I Just Seems Strange that Someone Would go thru the All the Time and Effort to Buy a Used Battery Pack and then De-solder Cells from it and then Put Them into an APV. Not Knowing Anything about How the Cells were Charged (Or Over-Charged) and Why the Battery Pack is Now FUBAR.
And it Makes it Doubly Bizarre when someone has a Signature Saying that they have Saved Thousands of Dollars Using e-Cigarettes under their Posts.
AkkuDB
$14.33 Authentic Samsung INR18650-25R 3.6V 2500mAh Rechargeable Li-Ion Batteries (2-Pack) - 35A peak discharge / 22A continuous discharge at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
top performer and cheap from fasttech. if fasttech is your kinda thing.
yeah, i noticed the chart after i posted. still, the topic (via OP) of the thread is cheap batteries. with the samsung showing slightly favorable over the vtc5 and available cheaper, i think it fits the bill.
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