Innokin. Are we witnessing an evolution of sorts?

[Baditude]

I'm a huge fan of pyrex cartotanks. In fact, that's the only cartotanks that I will buy. (Currently over a dozen IBTanked's.) I prefer cartotanks over any clearomizer because of the aforementioned surface area theory of string wick vs polyfill wick completely surrounding the heating coil. Cartomizers offer more flavor and vapor production, and are virtually maintanance-free, IMHO.

However, I do use what I consider to be higher quality clearomizers. For basic ease of filling and general use, clearomizers are a more than acceptable option. I use both the Kanger Protank and innokin iClear 30, preferring the iClear 30 mainly because of the 16 wicks being a better wicking clearomizer. Flavor and vapor production is just shy of being as nice as my cartotanks, again IMHO.

Since the new iClear 30S still uses a string wick system, I still consider it a clearomizer. Initial reviews have been very positive, however I doubt that I will rush out to purchase one.

 

[Recon Number 54]

Since the new iClear 30S still uses a string wick system, I still consider it a clearomizer.

But if the wicking material is contained inside of a cartridge, is that really all that different than the polyfill inside of a carto?

I know that this is just semantics (batted polyfill in a cartridge -vs- string wicks inside a cartridge) but I wonder if this could be the sign of a trend. IMO, this is almost a clearo/carto hybrid.

 

[stevegmu]

I'd love to try them but no glass tank, no replaceable drip tip, no go.

 

[suspectK]

It idnt just the wick that makes a cartomizer what it is. The coil is vertical and completely surrounded by the wick.

 

[Recon Number 54]

I'd love to try them but no glass tank, no replaceable drip tip, no go.

The 30S accepts 510 tips.

But I agree on the glass. It's just a far more simple, no-worries option. Though the way that this device is designed, the end-caps are threaded onto the tube. I know that it's possible to thread glass/pyrex, but that does create a weak-spot and a likely point of failure.

If the item is popular enough, my understanding (based on a lot of hearsay from online) is that Innokin is VERY attentive to reviews, trends and user-feedback and are a manufacturer that will quickly respond to market and consumer demand/preference/requests.

If not, sooner or later, as long as there are enough of the devices out there, some 3rd party may step up and fill that gap.

 

[Recon Number 54]

double-post

 

[Jayvaps]

It idnt just the wick that makes a cartomizer what it is. The coil is vertical and completely surrounded by the wick.

This. It is still a clearo.

Just with an enclosed head.

 

[440BB]

If I can't dry burn my coil, my blood is gonna boil!

It's Devolution to me. Innokin sees $$$, others will follow suit.

Kanger T2 does the job just fine, easy and cheap to maintain.

 

[Thrasher]

But if the wicking material is contained inside of a cartridge, is that really all that different than the polyfill inside of a carto?

I know that this is just semantics (batted polyfill in a cartridge -vs- string wicks inside a cartridge) but I wonder if this could be the sign of a trend. IMO, this is almost a clearo/carto hybrid.

not really it comes down to any idea they can come up with to look new and worth a try, these are massive factories making this stuff, they cannot afford to stagnate, while new idea do keep popping up for the benefit of the vapor and there may be some small benefit to the design, its more about keeping those assembly lines humming. they really cant let 100's of workers stand around because your satisfied with just buying a few heads once in a while.

(call me a cynic- i know. lol)

 

[LDS714]

How else can they make you keep buying more if they dont figure out how to get you to stop dry burning and reusing your carto-lero heads?

Cartolero! Love it.

Great name for a band - The Cartoleros!

 

[joeybear]

Damn thing looks like the miniature shrimp traps I used to build when I commercial fished in Alaska.

 

[Baditude]

But I agree on the glass. It's just a far more simple, no-worries option. Though the way that this device is designed, the end-caps are threaded onto the tube. I know that it's possible to thread glass/pyrex, but that does create a weak-spot and a likely point of failure.

If the item is popular enough, my understanding (based on a lot of hearsay from online) is that Innokin is VERY attentive to reviews, trends and user-feedback and are a manufacturer that will quickly respond to market and consumer demand/preference/requests.

If not, sooner or later, as long as there are enough of the devices out there, some 3rd party may step up and fill that gap.

It's possible to create threads on glass tubes, but the manufacturing process apparently is more difficult and costly for the manufacturer. Likely why we see so few glass clearomizers on the market now. That additional cost must be passed on to the customer, so that will make these items more expensive than plastic.

I know OCD from IBTanked tried to find glass replacements for the hugely popular Vivi Nova back in their hey day, and wasn't able to find a cost-effective solution to make it worthwhile.

 

[FringeChief68]

I got a iTaste VTR with a iClear 30s on Oct. 30 so I had it about a week and so far I really am Liking it. It has a really nice smooth hit and even at low Voltage/Wattage it still gives me a nice hit.

I know this was said already but I wanted to make sure people understood the iClear 30s takes standard drip tips and even looks kind of cool with different tips on it because they sit lower.

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I think it looks neat on my ProVari.

Now being new to Vaping and not sure I want to get in to re-building or wick replacement, I been using Carto's. Now the iClear 30s head replacement is to me, easy as replacing a carto. But the tank is easier to fill then a standard DCT tank. And the replacement heads cost around the same price as Carto's, (5 pack for around $9). I haven't researched this so you can probably find them cheaper then that.
I also have a iTaste 134 and a iTaste MVP both of them came with a iClear 30.
Some differences to me in the iClear 30 and the iClear 30s is I don't seem to flood the iClear 30s and when I screw the iClear 30s back together my wicks (since they sealed in a tube) don't smear my tank or get caught in the threads.

At the end of this Video PBusardo cuts a iClear 30s open and it still has the 16 wicks.

A PBusardo Review & Contest - The Innokin iTaste VTR, holster, and new iClear30s! - YouTube

This is a old video and the Contest is over btw.

I wish Kir Fanis would design a ProVari Tank that took the iClear 30s heads.

 

[Myrany]

I really wonder if the changes in head design of this one and even the aspire are because the clearo companies have realized how much money they are loosing from people being able to dry burn or rebuild the heads of things like the EVOD. Build a head for a clearo that is nearly impossible to rebuild and rake in the cash.

 

[Baditude]

But if the wicking material is contained inside of a cartridge, is that really all that different than the polyfill inside of a carto?

All those wicks are barely "contained" inside of the cartridge. Did you see all of those holes? It might as well be just considered more of a wired cage vs a metal tube with a couple of holes like a cartomizer uses.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Damn thing looks like the miniature shrimp traps I used to build when I commercial fished in Alaska.

Seriously, I now have this image of teddy bear you with this huge pile of traps fishing for one shrimp at a time. Hell of a way to make a living.

 

[Butters78]

Looks like a clearo and a carto decided to have an interracial relationship. I hope their parents aren't prejudice.

 

[440BB]

Damn thing looks like the miniature shrimp traps I used to build when I commercial fished in Alaska.

At least there's something useful to do with these heads when they're done for vaping. I bet the miniature shrimp aren't happy about this at all.

There's gonna be a run on Miniature Shrimp Fishing for Dummies on Amazon.

 

[mobocracy]

I really wonder if the changes in head design of this one and even the aspire are because the clearo companies have realized how much money they are loosing from people being able to dry burn or rebuild the heads of things like the EVOD. Build a head for a clearo that is nearly impossible to rebuild and rake in the cash.

Or, they see the market expanding beyond die-hard tinkerers to people who lack the time or interest in saving $2 on coil replacement, yet still want a quality setup that will vape 100% VG like Johnson Creek Red Oak for more than a day without gunking the coil and wick.

The cigalikes are a growing market partly because they are so damn convenient. You throw on a pre-filled cartomizer and vape it until it doesn't work and then you throw it away and use another.

Based on my experience, the non-cigalike vaping market is trying to make it more convenient and more functional lest they find themselves only catering to a tiny slice of the market willing to tinker, punch cartos, soak/dryburn/rebuild their gear, and this is just a step in that direction. A ton of wick and dual coils for durability and good volume, easy replacement for no-fuss maintenance.

Apple makes a metric ton of money selling totally sealed tablets to people who want appliance-like convenience when most of them may not use their device any differently than a person who builds their own PC and upgrades it part-by-part forever and spends a lot less doing it.

 

[Jayvaps]

Or, they see the market expanding beyond die-hard tinkerers to people who lack the time or interest in saving $2 on coil replacement, yet still want a quality setup that will vape 100% VG like Johnson Creek Red Oak for more than a day without gunking the coil and wick.

The cigalikes are a growing market partly because they are so damn convenient. You throw on a pre-filled cartomizer and vape it until it doesn't work and then you throw it away and use another.

Based on my experience, the non-cigalike vaping market is trying to make it more convenient and more functional lest they find themselves only catering to a tiny slice of the market willing to tinker, punch cartos, soak/dryburn/rebuild their gear, and this is just a step in that direction. A ton of wick and dual coils for durability and good volume, easy replacement for no-fuss maintenance.

Apple makes a metric ton of money selling totally sealed tablets to people who want appliance-like convenience when most of them may not use their device any differently than a person who builds their own PC and upgrades it part-by-part forever and spends a lot less doing it.

But what was the problem with the old head, and what advantage does the new head design provide?

I am still using the old head. I use it with 100% VG juice such as boba's and yes, I even have vaped JC juice out of it. JC juice was my first main juice vendor, and I still like their Tennessee cured Red oak.

I have also vaped my own DIY juices out of the old version with no problems.

about the only two complaints I had with the old design was...the non replaceable drip tip and the tank not being glass. I guess you could also say it was a juice hog, but I will take that because that was one of the reasons it created better flavor.

And whenever my old heads did clog up, I could dry burn them and clean them. I have been using the same head on my iclear30 for like a month with no issues, and I have Boba's in it this very day.

So what benefit does the new head design give anyone? it is still using the same number of wicks, the same number of coils. the coils are still horizontal and around the wicks so you still have the same surface area of wick to coil interaction.

The only thing is...what? the wicks dont stick out into the tank? It looks....more sleek or something?

Yes, the iclear30s has a replaceable drip tip. That is an advantage over the regular 30. But the trade off is no maintenance can be done on the heads? meh. It really does seem like they made the change simply to prevent maintenance to the heads. I will stick with the 'old' style. In fact, I may buy a few more old styles at 'clearance' prices now.