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rocks82

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Just so I can have an idea, what topics do you feel we need instructional information for on our site? batteries? PCC? Refilling? What kind of format would you like to see this in?

I'm trying to develop this and would like your input so that I don't miss anything. Multiple minds will think of more than I can alone. :D
 
Well I think clarifying the premium carts is a good thing to do. Like you and I talked about tonight. I was confused about certain details about them. I also think a "State of the V4L future" kind of thread would be really cool. Let people know what the companies plans are for the future, new products. Things in development and planning phases things like that.
I think one of the reasons this community is so active is because we all share a common interest that goes beyond the norm. We were all slaves to analogs at one point. We knew that analogs were killing us and, if you are like me, we tried more times to quit than we can count. V4L has given me back so much. My health, more time with my kids and grand kids one day when they arrive. A longer life. In a way you could say that V4L has saved our lives. That kind of thing binds people together very tightly. We all want to see this company succeed. So a little info on the future would be great.

Ok sorry for the bad spelling and rambling on, Got a too cut out today and I am high on narcotic pain meds. enough from me....
 

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[...]What kind of format would you like to see this in?[...]

I've been thinking of trying to put stuff in expanding outline style... that way you can see a sort of index of topics that can be expanded by clicking on little "plus" symbols.

I've also thought of something like a "Mind Map", but I feel that would be too confusing for the majority of people.
 

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I think we need a comprehensive User Manual, with all the info in one place: batteries, how they work, how to charge, PCC, passthrus, etc. It ideally should be a live UM, updated as things evolve and change. I'm a newbie and I spent hours on this forum trying to educate myself and even though I enjoyed it immensely, I think it would be helpful to have all the basic technical information in one place. :DThe User Manual on the Newbie welcome thread is good but by far not complete, and needs updating. For instance, it still says that shorties are only available as autos.

I'm so glad I found you all. Keep up the good work. :):sleep:
 

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If you are talking about the V4L site I think this is a great idea. I always thought that there should be more info. on there because not everyone is going to come to this forum.

I think a simple video of "Opening your first kit" Then a manual like the sticky we have here and maybe even a first time buyers guide. Suggesting things like a sampler pack and a bottle or two of juice to fill with just to start out with. What type of batteries work best for the kind of use you're wanting from them. I.e. Shorty batteries for stealth v.s. extra long for longer life.

Oh wait I just realized that manual isn't a sticky anymore...hmmm I'm sure you still have it somewhere though.
 
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I would like to see drop down menus for the nic levels available for the juice off of the main juice page. Without having to click on a flavor to see if my nic level is available. Also I think it would be great for the v4l site to have a section of a few select success stories from people who have used V4L to stop smoking.

Also think it would be a good idea to have photos of all the products even if they are not currently in stock.
 

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A few thoughts...

I agree w/Katya and Groundhog. I'd already perused acres of the main forum before I hit this one, and then read piles in here, but few have my rabid curiosity and patience. I am a RTFM girl and then some. New buyers aren't necessarily going to ever do internet research to any extent. Can this forum be linked on the site?

Anyway, I think it should be ordered into very clear, succinct little sections that correspond to the first two levels of experience and interest and emphasize ease of use.
A brand new noob wants to know how to use each piece of equipment (tho it's all very intuitive), determine the right nicotine level, be told how how to inhale properly, how to tell when carts are dry, about what they equal compared to a pack of cigarettes or some guide, even @222 hits or whatever it is (so as to know how much to order/carry to work, and what they're paying for compared to cigs), how best to store carts (dark, cool, if that's true - seems some variance on that one), the relative merits of different lengths and of man/auto/PT, and of regular/premium carts (including the felicitous, scary-to-noobs crackle-pop), the diff between pg and vg, battery maintenance (PCC here), stuff like that. Photos are always nice. Samplers should be highly recommended and a note that taste prefs can be surprising. (And there should DEFINITELY be a good selection of premium samplers available.) I'm sure there's more - think back to week one. (I'm just throwing stuff in, it should be ordered according to likely sequence of need.) All of this can actually be very succinct; only in here do we obsess and obsess on the finer details of every aspect.

Next section would be all about using juice - whether or not to top/refill at all. Some don't, remember. I initially figured carts were just disposable and that's a place where some would rather stop. So, reusing cartos vs buying blanks would go here. So would topping to keep one cart going, and for how long that's possible.
(People keep evolving - at one month I've boiled, syringed, rinsed and etc., and then quit that - I just top and top until things seem exhausted, or use blanks for a new flavor, and finally throw 'em away. Enough is enough, for now.)
Leaford's excellent video (second half redo, with no hesitation re how much juice is needed, hee) is the best how-to intro to that that I can think of, with a note that other methods are possible.

Then maybe a trouble shooting section. I never trust a manual with no trouble shooting section.
A bad batt/PT at the start could really discourage tentative folks. What indicates faulty equipment/carts, and what is something that's user error or can be easily remedied? Warrenty brag here. I've had so few problems with equipment that I dunno, but a scan of the forum should indicate the most common difficulties.

I think that the thing should begin with the sweet truth - these are plug and play ecigs. I opened mine in the car after ripping package open at the first red light, assembled one at the next red light, rejoiced to note that it was already charged, and was vaping away joyfully the rest of the way in. With all due respect to PC folks, and without opening that ridiculous ancient debate, please! - it's a Mac thing, market-wise. Elegant, easy, nice on the eye, and top quality.
(I got my first MAc when they were a very, very young company. I could call them at 2 AM with the stupidest damned question, get an immediate answer and unbelievably patient, friendly and skilled tech support, for free. That went on for years. Lotta cool freebies, too, back then. And the same sort of insanely enthusiastic product loyalty. In some ways, especially if ecigs are gonna go all huge and horrible, V4L is already in Mac mode and might use that as a good start-up model.)

I think that success stories are verboten, as health claims or advertising openly as a cessation device are problematic because of all the damned FDA stuff. "Alternative" is now the suggested approach, I believe. One company gets bashed for making it look like too much fun, another for making it seem medically efficacious.

It will all come out in the warsh, as mama always said.
 
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For Noob's,

I think it would be a good idea to provide a spreadsheet/chart showing
a comparison between Analog Nic Levels and Cart levels to help people
select the proper nicotine level with their first order.

Do you think that's possible?

Thanks.

There is no set chart to determine what nic level you are (as of now), you just gotta try it out and find what works for ya.

I think the FAQ page should be expanded, and a terminology cheat sheet would be beneficial for new people. I also really like this http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/vapor4life/58027-vaporking-user-guide.html

Maybe even add a few video reviews to the videos page, like Leafords version of the carto condom fill method

Perhaps even a few short reviews from people regarding V4L products and service.

I was also thinking maybe a instructional DVD for the kits could be of some use as well
 

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If you are talking about the V4L site I think this is a great idea. I always thought that there should be more info. on there because not everyone is going to come to this forum.

I think a simple video of "Opening your first kit" Then a manual like the sticky we have here and maybe even a first time buyers guide. Suggesting things like a sampler pack and a bottle or two of juice to fill with just to start out with. What type of batteries work best for the kind of use you're wanting from them. I.e. Shorty batteries for stealth v.s. extra long for longer life.

Oh wait I just realized that manual isn't a sticky anymore...hmmm I'm sure you still have it somewhere though.


I second this

Also on the site itself it needs more info. When I first went to the site I had no idea what the VG cartos were. I kept wondering what the difference was. It wasn't til after I read the forums I figured it out what vg was.
 

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Good ideas. Above all, I'd suggest organizing the information section with two sections: 'newbies' and 'experienced users'--or similar.

Others here have given good tips about issues for experienced users, so I'll just add that newbies need a concise breakdown of only the most important first-order issues. Such issues overwhelmed me at first, and I actually went to another company initially--one that made my first order easy.

So I'd keep the newbies section clean and simple. Nic levels, in particular, confused the heck out of me, so a basic comparison chart would help. Also, suggestions to try sampler packs would be good. In fact, I would have liked a "we recommend" kit option or two for the totally confused. Such kits could even include a few sampler packs so that all the newbie has to do is select the nic level. I suspect that such a simple section on the site would translate to increased biz--good for everyone.
 

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Good ideas. Above all, I'd suggest organizing the information section with two sections: 'newbies' and 'experienced users'--or similar.

Others here have given good tips about issues for experienced users, so I'll just add that newbies need a concise breakdown of only the most important first-order issues. Such issues overwhelmed me at first, and I actually went to another company initially--one that made my first order easy.

So I'd keep the newbies section clean and simple. Nic levels, in particular, confused the heck out of me, so a basic comparison chart would help. Also, suggestions to try sampler packs would be good. In fact, I would have liked a "we recommend" kit option or two for the totally confused. Such kits could even include a few sampler packs so that all the newbie has to do is select the nic level. I suspect that such a simple section on the site would translate to increased biz--good for everyone.

Yea maybe a noob kit with 1 batt.,wall charger and a selection of 1 nic. level cart up to a maximum of five for there free carto.
 

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It is funny this topic just came up because I tried to help a newb navigate through the site and here on the forum and he is totally lost even with the stickies.

I too love the starter kit idea for newbs.

I think most everything has been covered by everyone except I would like to have a spreadsheet (always updated list) of all the liquids that is a printable version. That way when I try to tell my friends the flavors it is all there in one sheet.

I think a full detailed description of every product is a necessity. Maybe do a glossary or something as well. I know most people need visuals so videos are always key. I think it is important to talk a little more about carto life, refill times, when it is time to hit the garbage, cleaning, etc. That is the info that I have a hard time tracking down in the forum.

More flavor reviews in one conslidated area. Have the hates and loves (leave out the average opinions) of each flavor and why? I think that when you really like or hate something the opinion is more passionate. I personally really like watching the flavor videos. Maybe put the flavors in catagories i.e. fruit, dessert, menthol, tobacco, candy, soda/drink, alcohol bevs, etc. I think the catagories would be good for the site and forum listing and video listings.
 
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