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hello guys just wondering if aluminium is safe for a tank system? i think aluminium is toxic8-o. I notice this with my GGTS AVS system, I often open the tank cap to check if its still full or empty and noticed that my ejuice inside AVS is becoming dark in color, was thinking if its the residue of the aluminum or it might be the burn ejuice from the atty (im confused). You might be thinking that its the wrong thread to post but my intention is to make a mod my self and might be using stainless steel instead but aluminium is way cheaper than stainless steel.

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i'm drinking coke out of this aluminum can no problem.

but i think coke may be toxic, so go figure.

I had to lol a bit at a that :)

Doesn't coke actually cook meat a bit? I know if you leave teeth in it for a while, they will completely dissolve. My girl still uses coke to clean her car's battery terminals.
 

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IMAO! yeah but coke cans are not heated like PV's but make sense :)

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True but the alum. foil that all of the world uses in their ovens get heated.


Look, everybody has gone crazy here about what is and isn't safe all because someone a few months ago wanted to use copper. and several of us told them that copper wasn't safe, from that point every metal that one could use has come under fire. It has gotten to the point now that if someone wanted to use pure gold someone else would tell them not to.
 
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eliquids sitting in aluminum is a no no in my opinion, and its clearly tasted using an AVS & AFS also in my opinion. The oxidation process starts almost as soon as that liquid is put in the tank. This is why tanks are going clear and to plastic, I argued this point with Imeo for months and it caused a huge argument between him and I, and he still won't admit it to this day, and I'm glad this post was made outside of the GG forum where it can be openly discussed. I wanted an all clear Delrin type tank and was told by him it couldn't be done and that's when I was like PFFFTT uhm ya it can be. Now today they are coming out and many are producing clear tanks from different plastic type materials, Ego, Oval, Fluxomizers, MapTanks, it's a very hot product right now. Steamhit, I wouldn't vape outta that aluminum tank, and it's the same reason I stopped doing it as well, you taste it, same as I did, it's quite evident that the taste is there and what is happening when you put eliquid in a metal tank, it's a no no, "Oxidation" there are metals that are better then others like medical grade stainless steel, gold, even Nickle is better then Aluminum, but I still don't like the taste of my liquids sitting stored in a metal tank, any metal, it's a good reason also why when you purchase eliquid it comes in a plastic or glass bottle, which both are safe to store liquids in. when it's in your Atty it is there briefly until vaporized. I'm glad someone else realizes this and wasn't afraid to come out and speak there mind on this subject, Thank you for your post Steamhit. I'm sure others will disagree but there are numerous proofs of this pudding if you just read and investigate as well as vape it and taste it.
 

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eliquids sitting in aluminum is a no no in my opinion, and its clearly tasted using an AVS & AFS also in my opinion. The oxidation process starts almost as soon as that liquid is put in the tank. This is why tanks are going clear and to plastic, I argued this point with Imeo for months and it caused a huge argument between him and I, and he still won't admit it to this day, and I'm glad this post was made outside of the GG forum where it can be openly discussed. I wanted an all clear Delrin type tank and was told by him it couldn't be done and that's when I was like PFFFTT uhm ya it can be. Now today they are coming out and many are producing clear tanks from different plastic type materials, Ego, Oval, Fluxomizers, MapTanks, it's a very hot product right now. Steamhit, I wouldn't vape outta that aluminum tank, and it's the same reason I stopped doing it as well, you taste it, same as I did, it's quite evident that the taste is there and what is happening when you put eliquid in a metal tank, it's a no no, "Oxidation" there are metals that are better then others like medical grade stainless steel, gold, even Nickle is better then Aluminum, but I still don't like the taste of my liquids sitting stored in a metal tank, any metal, it's a good reason also why when you purchase eliquid it comes in a plastic or glass bottle, which both are safe to store liquids in. when it's in your Atty it is there briefly until vaporized. I'm glad someone else realizes this and wasn't afraid to come out and speak there mind on this subject, Thank you for your post Steamhit. I'm sure others will disagree but there are numerous proofs of this pudding if you just read and investigate as well as vape it and taste it.

thanks for the post mwa102464, it is what the forum is for i guess, to be knowledgeable about the subject not just by advertising products from other manufactures. anyways i realize that when my ejuice stays on the avs for a week and it turn dark brown. i was so scared that im actually smoking the small aluminum debris that the cap thread made while opening and closing it often. Bbut one of my friend also told me that it might be the cause of the burned ejuice from my atty which is also one reason. Im really concern about this, reason is PV's are made for alternative "HEALTY" smoking/vaping. It should stay as it says. If not, ecigs wont make no difference between regular cigarettes in terms of health issues. I hope some experts on the field from this forums may give proper advices to modders.

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True but the alum. foil that all of the world uses in their ovens get heated.


Look, everybody has gone crazy here about what is and isn't safe all because someone a few months ago wanted to use copper. and several of us told them that copper wasn't safe, from that point every metal that one could use has come under fire. It has gotten to the point now that if someone wanted to use pure gold someone else would tell them not to.

Steamhit, you have to find out what standards are used there and find a supplier who can tell you what they've got.[/QUOTE]
tanks systems are different though ejuice stays on it 3, 4 days, a week or two. And one more thing, ejuice with alum debris melted vapor goes directly to your lungs.

It might be too exaggerated but its better to be sure and seek advices from the experts :D

peace yah all!
 
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eliquids sitting in aluminum is a no no in my opinion, and its clearly tasted using an AVS & AFS also in my opinion. (1) The oxidation process starts almost as soon as that liquid is put in the tank.
(2) This is why tanks are going clear and to plastic,
I argued this point with Imeo for months and it caused a huge argument between him and I, and he still won't admit it to this day, and I'm glad this post was made outside of the GG forum where it can be openly discussed. I wanted an all clear Delrin type tank and was told by him it couldn't be done and that's when I was like PFFFTT uhm ya it can be. Now today they are coming out and many are producing clear tanks from different plastic type materials, Ego, Oval, Fluxomizers, MapTanks, it's a very hot product right now. Steamhit, I wouldn't vape outta that aluminum tank, and it's the same reason I stopped doing it as well, you taste it, same as I did, it's quite evident that the taste is there and what is happening when you put eliquid in a metal tank, it's a no no, "Oxidation" there are metals that are better then others like medical grade stainless steel, gold, even Nickle is better then Aluminum, but I still don't like the taste of my liquids sitting stored in a metal tank, any metal,(3) it's a good reason also why when you purchase eliquid it comes in a plastic or glass bottle, which both are safe to store liquids in. when it's in your Atty it is there briefly until vaporized. I'm glad someone else realizes this and wasn't afraid to come out and speak there mind on this subject, Thank you for your post Steamhit. I'm sure others will disagree but there are numerous proofs of this pudding if you just read and investigate as well as vape it and taste it.

Well I am going to respectfully disagree with you here on a few points.
1: The Oxidation process with Alum. starts in a matter of seconds after it is exposed to air, this seals the alum from further Oxidation.
2: The manufacturing process that is using plastics has nothing to do with unsafe metals, it has to do with cost, plastic is cheaper than metal and easier to shape.
3: same as above.

Question,,,
So are you thinking that somehow you will be vaping the degraded alum?
I don't think that IF it did degrade at all it still isn't going to flash into the vapor in any way shape or form.

How long do you think it would take for e-juice to degrade the alum? I have had alum end caps on my Gummy Tank is contact with the juice for well over 4 months now and I can't find any signs of degradation.
 
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Gummy we all have our own opinion on this matter, You make good points and I'm not going to argue them. I just know that I used all the GG Aluminum tanks since the very beginning and that taste I get is abundant in every liquid I put in the tank and if you read up on the oxidation process and ask some people that are very intelligent about storing liquid in metal & Oxidation they will tell you some things about it that may surprise you. Look in your tank, do you see any black pit marks in it, little tiny ones, really really small ??? ? if not give it some time, by the time they appear it will be to late but it will show you oxidation is happening for sure. I'm sold on the matter, I know there will be plenty of opposition on this topic especially from GG fan club members, " I was one for a long time" but no more, I think it's quite funny that Imeo is now making a clear tank as well from what I hear. I think its also something that every other manufacture of ANY TYPE OF TANK SYSTEM is also not using METAL of any sort, these are some subtle hints and they also tell me a few things. I'm all done here now, I've stated my opinion and I'm leaving it as is. I respect everyone and there entitled to there own views and opinions on this matter, especially you gummy, but where just on different sides on this one and that's OK, it is what it is and I'm OK with that but I'm sticking to using things that have a level 2 or 3 Anodized processed metal if I'm gonna use it to run my liquids through it, nough said from me on this one.
 

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I enjoy a respectful debate and you sir have been most respectful, thanks. Sure we can agree to disagree. I fully understand that if someone doesn't like the taste of something. I will close with the statement that there is a difference between a taste and an exposure, by pointing out how much alum is ingested when you eat a Tums antacid tablet.
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well OK one more little point.
Even IF the juice degrades some alum. and it mixed with the juice and IF it managed to get to the heating coil,,, it still would not get hot enough to vaporize. without this vaporizing it would never get into your body.

And yea Glass would be great. Pyrex of course.
 
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good points, but if Im tasting it then I'm eating it in my book, so something is up with that, plus its just a foul vape to me. On the flipside a Pyrex tank would be super I think, I'm using the newer Pyrex drip tips and finding them the best tips yet, and no juice is getting in my mouth using these with all my bottom feeders which is very nice, very nice. Oh Gummy, you may want to look at post# 15 on this link = http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/130968-liquids-my-avs-tank.html
 

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OK I looked, sure there will be people that have allergies to everything.
And not to be a hard headed 'ol mule, I dumped 2mls of juice and poped the bottom cap out of the tank.
It has been submerged for about 4 months now. I don't see any pitting, especially any more than what would be in a Tums.
 
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Here's another one Gummy of what happens when you run raw eliquid in aluminum, nough said

That pitting was not caused by e-juice or else the pitting would only be seen where the juice contacted it. this looks more like salt water exposure. it is pitted equally in all places except for the inside of the tube where the e-juice would be, that part looks great.
 
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