I recently heard a person say get organic juice. Since I'm new to vaping I was unaware of organic juice. What is in juice besides nicotine and flavoring? I need to do research on what I'm vamping and where I'm purchasing it from. Anybody have any info or advice? What are some of the selections I can look for in juice? I just know nicotine level. I'm guessing some juices are thin or thick so it burns quick to sell more. Is there a type of juice to stay away from? Please help thanks
Is there juice out there to worry about
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Hi, Done smoking and welcome!!! The things you should see in your eliquid ingredients are :
Propylene Glycol (also called PG)
Vegetable Glycerin (VG)
Nicotine
flavorings (either natural or artificial)
I would not buy any eliquid that had any additional ingredients. But, please understand that it is my PERSONAL opinion and I'm sure you'll get other, differing opinions. That's ok!
Propylene Glycol (also called PG)
Vegetable Glycerin (VG)
Nicotine
flavorings (either natural or artificial)
I would not buy any eliquid that had any additional ingredients. But, please understand that it is my PERSONAL opinion and I'm sure you'll get other, differing opinions. That's ok!
There are usually 4 different components in juice:
1. Propylene Glycol - the "flavor carrier" of e-liquid. A secondary source of "throat hit", but not as strong as the nicotine concentration. Some people have a sensitivity or even an allergy to PG. It's very thin.
2. Vegetable Glycerin - the "vapor maker" of e-liquid. Used as a sweeter in many food sources, and also as a skin emollient. It's very thick.
3. Flavoring
4. Nicotine
Purity of PG, VG and PEG - The Short Version
If you're concerned about diketones (diacetyl, Acetoin, and/or Acetyl Propionyl), you can try to avoid any "custard, creamy, rich, bakery" type flavors, and stay with tobaccos/fruits.
You can also deal with vendors who specifically list on their website (or on each flavor page) whether diketones are used/possibly present (Ahlusion & Nicoticket I know do this).
You could DIY and only use ingredients/vendors who verify ingredients or you could try vaping unflavored. Many members here choose to vape with no flavoring and enjoy it.
What are Diacetyl, Acetyl Propionyl and Acetoin?
1. Propylene Glycol - the "flavor carrier" of e-liquid. A secondary source of "throat hit", but not as strong as the nicotine concentration. Some people have a sensitivity or even an allergy to PG. It's very thin.
2. Vegetable Glycerin - the "vapor maker" of e-liquid. Used as a sweeter in many food sources, and also as a skin emollient. It's very thick.
3. Flavoring
4. Nicotine
Purity of PG, VG and PEG - The Short Version
If you're concerned about diketones (diacetyl, Acetoin, and/or Acetyl Propionyl), you can try to avoid any "custard, creamy, rich, bakery" type flavors, and stay with tobaccos/fruits.
You can also deal with vendors who specifically list on their website (or on each flavor page) whether diketones are used/possibly present (Ahlusion & Nicoticket I know do this).
You could DIY and only use ingredients/vendors who verify ingredients or you could try vaping unflavored. Many members here choose to vape with no flavoring and enjoy it.
What are Diacetyl, Acetyl Propionyl and Acetoin?
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Thanks a lot . That really helps. Just found where it's 70/30 Pg to Vg mix. Creates the throat hit.
At the moment, anyone can easily claim their juice is organic. It doesn't actually mean anything. The nicotine, we know, is just nicotine and is not harmful (though it is addictive). The vegetable glycerin/propylene glycol CAN be broken down into two aldehydes (bad for you, carcinogenic) if the temperature is too high. The flavorings are the only thing truly in question.
The short answer: The information doesn't exist to say if there's a "safe" e-liquid out there.
The long answer:
There is quite a lot of worry about diketones nowadays, although Dr. F's most recent study seems to show that we were inhaling far more diketones as cigarette smokers than we ever will be inhaling with e-liquid. That said, he does see diketones as an avoidable risk in juice, and is pushing for the removal of all diketones from e-liquid.
Diketones are a set of molecules that are common in flavorings. In particular, the most common ones, are diacetyl and acetylacetone. These can cause bronchiolitis obliterans (complete destruction of the lungs) in high enough doses. Factory workers who were exposed to the stuff for long periods of time, 8 hours a day, suffered many negative side effects. So as you can guess, this stuff is not good, and should be avoided at all costs. Diketones tend to give juices a creamy/custardy/eggy/buttery taste. There are also a slew of other flavorings that are questionable in terms of what they may or may not do down the line. 10 years from now, we might find out that some common flavoring is extremely harmful to you. The science just hasn't gotten there, and vaping is still relatively new.
Some companies claim that they're able to achieve the same custardy/creamy flavor profiles without the use of any diketones (usually they specifically name diacetyl and acetylacetone). The problem is, this is a VERY hard thing to prove. Some companies get their juice lab-tested, but in this case, they usually only test for one specific diketone (ie: ONLY diacetyl, or ONLY acetylacetone, or both) which leaves out the slew of other molecules that we might not want to be inhaling.
Maybe in the future, once we have a solid list of the chemicals to avoid in flavorings, we'll be able to buy at-home "test kits". Dip a strip in a bit of e-liquid and if it turns x color, it has y ingredient. I don't know. For now, it's kind of a toss-up. For me, personally, I try to stay away from the creamy/custardy juices whether or not the manufacturer tests the juice for diacetyl or not. I tend to stick to NET juices and fruity juices (both of which still may have nasty stuff in it, for all we know), but I do have some "guilty pleasure" e-liquids that are certainly in the "diketone" flavor profile (cheesecake, strawberry custard, some other delicious choices).
Hope that helps. Welcome to ECF!
The short answer: The information doesn't exist to say if there's a "safe" e-liquid out there.
The long answer:
There is quite a lot of worry about diketones nowadays, although Dr. F's most recent study seems to show that we were inhaling far more diketones as cigarette smokers than we ever will be inhaling with e-liquid. That said, he does see diketones as an avoidable risk in juice, and is pushing for the removal of all diketones from e-liquid.
Diketones are a set of molecules that are common in flavorings. In particular, the most common ones, are diacetyl and acetylacetone. These can cause bronchiolitis obliterans (complete destruction of the lungs) in high enough doses. Factory workers who were exposed to the stuff for long periods of time, 8 hours a day, suffered many negative side effects. So as you can guess, this stuff is not good, and should be avoided at all costs. Diketones tend to give juices a creamy/custardy/eggy/buttery taste. There are also a slew of other flavorings that are questionable in terms of what they may or may not do down the line. 10 years from now, we might find out that some common flavoring is extremely harmful to you. The science just hasn't gotten there, and vaping is still relatively new.
Some companies claim that they're able to achieve the same custardy/creamy flavor profiles without the use of any diketones (usually they specifically name diacetyl and acetylacetone). The problem is, this is a VERY hard thing to prove. Some companies get their juice lab-tested, but in this case, they usually only test for one specific diketone (ie: ONLY diacetyl, or ONLY acetylacetone, or both) which leaves out the slew of other molecules that we might not want to be inhaling.
Maybe in the future, once we have a solid list of the chemicals to avoid in flavorings, we'll be able to buy at-home "test kits". Dip a strip in a bit of e-liquid and if it turns x color, it has y ingredient. I don't know. For now, it's kind of a toss-up. For me, personally, I try to stay away from the creamy/custardy juices whether or not the manufacturer tests the juice for diacetyl or not. I tend to stick to NET juices and fruity juices (both of which still may have nasty stuff in it, for all we know), but I do have some "guilty pleasure" e-liquids that are certainly in the "diketone" flavor profile (cheesecake, strawberry custard, some other delicious choices).
Hope that helps. Welcome to ECF!
beyond great information. Thanks very much. I like the fruity stuff the best. Thanks again.
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I'm new to this, too, so take this with a grain of salt, I think the safest bet is to try to limit inhalation as much as you can. I like a good throat hit as much as anyone else, but I've been pretty happy with puffing on mine more like a pipe and occasionally taking it into my lungs. I wouldn't take the whole organic thing seriously. It's the big thing lately with everything from food, to cosmetics, to bath products...and there are plenty of peer reviewed scientific studies that prove there is no benefit from going fully organic. If you want to go organic, because it makes you feel better, hen there's nothing wrong with that. I would recommend just doing what you feel is best for you and buy from a reputable supplier.
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Ahlusion is my go-to vendor to juice. Peppermint Bark, Lemon Vanilla Cake, Caramel Wild Wood, Caramel Pear (both Black & White) Tea, the list goes on and on!
Fan Club here on ECF: Ahlusion E-Juice Part 3Ahlusion does fruit vapes really, really well.
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I agree. I have to have a good throat hit or it wouldn't be like smoking to me. I was a menthol smoker. Ahulusions looks great. Thanks
The one thing to stay away from is juices with diacetyl in them. This has been linked to causing popcorn lung. Although the name is comical, it is an irreversable condition with symptoms similar to emphysema. Diacetyl is found more commonly in custard flavors.
Many companies I've bought from have a guarantee under the FAQ section of their website indicating that they don't use diacetyl in their juices. You can search for it on a website you're interested in.
Many companies I've bought from have a guarantee under the FAQ section of their website indicating that they don't use diacetyl in their juices. You can search for it on a website you're interested in.
Several people have said that diacetyl is not regulated I juice. That a lot of companies may say that but it could be not true. So I'm trying to stay with the fruit and no flavored. Eventually I'm going to just stay with no flavor.
I do that, too. I am trying to be good to my lungs after so many decades of hurting them with cigarettes....
Agree here, too. Many of the ingredients in personal care products are removed from the organic stuff, but replaced with other stuff that many of us are highly allergic to.
Believe me, I know. Also, in organic juice using organic flavorings, there IS no way to remove naturally-occuring diacetyls, diketones, etc. You can only do that in lab created flavorings.
As for food...the only thing organic to me is veggies I grow in my own garden, and eggs my neighbors give me from their free range "yard chickens". As well as all the berries I pick from my blueberry bushes.
And fish I catch in spring fed streams in the spring. Otherwise, you're on your own most of the time, although there are some pretty reputable companies.
Seconding and thirding much of what has been said above, but will also add that right now it seems wise to stay away from organic flavorings, for two reasons:
1. They straight-up murder your coils and wicking. They don't "vape" like you'd expect, and end up kind of cooking/caramelizing onto the coils.
2. To quote Dr. Farsalinos of ecigarette-research.com, "Organics are for eating, not vaping." There's little to no research on their safety, and being organic is not going to make an oil good to inhale. Many of the people pushing this are falling into what's called the "naturalistic fallacy" and heads into nutterbutter territory very quickly.
1. They straight-up murder your coils and wicking. They don't "vape" like you'd expect, and end up kind of cooking/caramelizing onto the coils.
2. To quote Dr. Farsalinos of ecigarette-research.com, "Organics are for eating, not vaping." There's little to no research on their safety, and being organic is not going to make an oil good to inhale. Many of the people pushing this are falling into what's called the "naturalistic fallacy" and heads into nutterbutter territory very quickly.
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