I skipped a few posts to get to the end and it may have been said, but keep in mind NIC is NOT the only thing that we're getting away from. So, we have to "Over-NIC" a little a first to feel satisfied and then wean down. I vaped 24s for a month or better until I felt like I was away from craving a Cig. Then 18 and to 11s. An 18 is still good once in a while, and it's hard to over-vape that now, because I start to get a NIC buzz.