It is Completely the FDA's fault

[Jode]

I started smoking when I was 15. I much rather see a teenager pick up vaping then smoking. If they gonna do it they are gonna do it.

My high school daughter had said that that she has seen students vape in the classroom when the teacher is outta of the room.

I have to agree with this. Although I do not advocate for minors to do anything that is age prohibited I also know I would be in denial to think it doesn't happen with all illegals and age controlled substances. When my daughter was a teen she had many friends that smoked and I had a pretty good idea that she did as well. I smoked at the time so I would not have been able to smell it over my own smoky smell. My rule was....I will not provide it, or allow in my vicinity from any minor in my home. We cannot stop children from making stupid choices most of the time but we can make it difficult for them to do these things a lot. I have to say, however, I would much rather see a gaggle of teens standing around blowing huge clouds then filling their lungs with smoke from a cig.

 

[stevegmu]

That's not what I said... No wonder you were on my ignore list for so long.

What I said was e-cigs can not be marketed to their intended audience because the FDA says they can't. Therefore, they end up marketed to all audiences.

While unscrupulous vendors do exist, those of us who have been at this a while remember when the FDA was having US Customs seize shipments and hold them. A lot of mom-n-pops lost big and went under. Among the reasons for seizures, confiscations, and holds was health claims on packaging.

Pretty sure most people are smart enough to figure out they are smoking cessation products after a little research. if not, they really don't want to quit smoking...


Yea, and? That was years ago...

 

[stevegmu]

It's a Blame Blame Blame society. No one is responsible for anything they do. There is no personal responsibility for anyone's behavior when it is always the fault of someone or something else. Blame Blame Blame. We are all victims.

This is why there are so many boogeymen...

 

[crxess]

Teen uptake on e-cigs IS in direct proportion to:
Reduced number of first time Teen smokers.
Reduced Number of continuing teen smokers over all.(making a smart change)

CDC has the #'s and they are Public Record
Those Facts do not SCARE or SENSATIONALIZE and certainly do not support an AGENDA.

 

[skoony]

its my personal opinion that the study from Hawaii has been folded,
spindled,mutilated,bent,run through the wringer and put away wet.
Hawaii is militantly anti-smoking and vaping at every level of government.
seeing how getting anything shipped there is very expensive and they are
already regulating vaping to near non-existence don't you think it odd
their teens seem to be swimming in vapor at three times the national rate.
i think not. the study is rigged.if it was true why wasn't that pointed out
in the teen vaping study released last week.

regards
ike

 

[Alien Traveler]

I am sorry, but it's pure bullmanure to try to explain decrease in teenage smoking by replacing it with vaping. Vaping goes in addition to smoking. Take a look at these data:
CDC - Trends in Current Cigarette Smoking - Smoking & Tobacco Use
As you see a huge drop in teen's smoking took place well before vaping was introduced. Trend continues and now without any significant changes due to vaping.

Kids are smoking less because they live now in anti-smoking society where smoking is associated with low income and low education. Smoking is not cool anymore (with exception of some places...) All attempts to venerate vaping as a smoking substitute for teens are foolish and counterproductive: society will never accept these views and will become even more hostile to vapers pushing such views.

P.S. Even worse is to say that kids are kids, they will do what they want to do anyway, that any attempts to prevent kids from dying in car accidents, from becoming alcoholics and smokers are worthless.

 

[jchisholm]

I started smoking when I was 15. I much rather see a teenager pick up vaping then smoking. If they gonna do it they are gonna do it.

My high school daughter had said that that she has seen students vape in the classroom when the teacher is outta of the room.

Yup I'd say that's why most/all of us are on this forum today. We picked up a bad habit as a teen.
I have three teens, it's like herding cats and god knows I was just as bad (worse?) To come down hard on them for vaping they will do what teens do which is to smoke, or worse. But few would willfully move from something cheap that tastes good (and is hard for parents to detect) to smelly expensive tobacco.

 

[SuperTaz]

I wonder.......What if the government put more energy preventing teen pregnancies than preventing teen vaping?

 

[choochoogranny]

But, but, they going to "do" it anyway, SuperTaz. That's why we have sex education in schools and some schools hand out free condoms and birth control so they won't get pregnant; and if they do, why they'll be sent to Planned Parenthood. Why this program is so successful that we have more teen pregnancy than ever.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

Sooooo... teen smoking is down, precipitously according to some reports. Teen vaping is up and clearly evil since it is supposed to create teen smokers (the gateway argument). Just as clearly, then, vaping is failing in this regard (can't it do anything right?).

The FDA is just the big head of the Wizard of Oz, and the real wizard is drunk off the proceeds.

 

[philoshop]

I am sorry, but it's pure bullmanure to try to explain decrease in teenage smoking by replacing it with vaping. Vaping goes in addition to smoking. Take a look at these data:
CDC - Trends in Current Cigarette Smoking - Smoking & Tobacco Use
As you see a huge drop in teen's smoking took place well before vaping was introduced. Trend continues and now without any significant changes due to vaping.

Kids are smoking less because they live now in anti-smoking society where smoking is associated with low income and low education. Smoking is not cool anymore (with exception of some places...) All attempts to venerate vaping as a smoking substitute for teens are foolish and counterproductive: society will never accept these views and will become even more hostile to vapers pushing such views.

P.S. Even worse is to say that kids are kids, they will do what they want to do anyway, that any attempts to prevent kids from dying in car accidents, from becoming alcoholics and smokers are worthless.

At what point is it acceptable to restrict the rights of adults in order to 'save the children' from themselves?
Do you mean that an attempt (meaning this particular one regarding vaping) is worthwhile and should be pursued, or that any (and all) attempts are somehow worthwhile and therefore justified regardless of negative impacts on free-thinking adults?

 

[WillyZee]

Seriously, the FDA should look at the big picture ... every smoker is going to quit smoking within the next 20 years ... there will be zero new potential smokers, the next youth will be vaping and will never touch the stink of BT.

I really can't wait to see how vaping turns out.

IMO, it's as simple as the next generation vaping and not smoking .... it is the start of saving 10s of millions of lives annually.

Why can't they see this?
It is so obvious.


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[WharfRat1976]

The FDA is in it to justify their jobs and existence. If you think they are in any cause or shark fining around any issue for the good of all you are delusional. Hoping our government will put a stamp of approval on vaping is also delusional. Enjoy your newest atty and quit trying to save the world. There is nothing to save.

 

[Coldrake]

Is there a related reduction in teen smoking I wonder?

Yes, according to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, teen smoking is at a record low.
Youth Smoking Reaches Record Lows As Vaping Increases - The American Vaping Association

 

[AndriaD]

I smoked at the time so I would not have been able to smell it over my own smoky smell.

Sure you could! When my son was hanging out at one of his friend's houses, whose parents smoked in the house, I could smell it on him the minute he walked in the door -- and I smoked a pk+ a day!

Moms know what their kids smell like, just like they know immediately just from wrist-to-forehead if that child has a fever -- it's all that spooky mom knowledge -- eyes in the backs of our heads, too. (which is actually just "bat ears" but don't tell the kids!)

Andria

 

[Alien Traveler]

I am sorry, but it's pure bullmanure to try to explain decrease in teenage smoking by replacing it with vaping. Vaping goes in addition to smoking. Take a look at these data:
CDC - Trends in Current Cigarette Smoking - Smoking & Tobacco Use
As you see a huge drop in teen's smoking took place well before vaping was introduced. Trend continues and now without any significant changes due to vaping.

Kids are smoking less because they live now in anti-smoking society where smoking is associated with low income and low education. Smoking is not cool anymore (with exception of some places...) All attempts to venerate vaping as a smoking substitute for teens are foolish and counterproductive: society will never accept these views and will become even more hostile to vapers pushing such views.

P.S. Even worse is to say that kids are kids, they will do what they want to do anyway, that any attempts to prevent kids from dying in car accidents, from becoming alcoholics and smokers are worthless.

At what point is it acceptable to restrict the rights of adults in order to 'save the children' from themselves?
Do you mean that an attempt (meaning this particular one regarding vaping) is worthwhile and should be pursued, or that any (and all) attempts are somehow worthwhile and therefore justified regardless of negative impacts on free-thinking adults?

Please, either show me where I was advocating restriction rights of adults or stop to reply on imagined issues.

And a question: do you assume that “free-thinking adults” should not be bothered by kids problems?

 

[philoshop]

I didn't say that you were advocating for a restriction of the rights of adults. I was asking you to clarify what you meant by the words "any attempts" in your postscript.
And...
I think that most people are concerned with the problems that kids have today. I also think that many of those problems have been exacerbated, or even created in some cases, by the very framework of regulations meant to address those problems. Government is very good at finding problems to fit their solutions, but generally not so good at assessing possible future consequences of their actions.

 

[Redhotchewy]

So at what point are parents responsible for what their teens do? I mean underage drinking is ravaging the nation from middle schools to college but you don't see the big stink there do you? How about instead of blaming everyone else because some stupid teenager is blowing "big clouds" you start asking yourself where is the mother/father who should be teaching these kids about the world of cause and effect? Sure vaping is pretty tame IMHO but if YOU think teenagers shouldn't be doing it don't you think it is your prerogative to stop it at home with your children? I was told I shouldn't drink coffee as a young man and I didn't for several years. But when I saw a 12 year old with a cup o' Joe I didn't call the cops. I still won't call the cops when I see an 8 year old guzzling down 60 oz's of soda even though I think that is vile and disgusting. It's just the way life is people. We are responsible for ourselves and our youngers. What, you want the government to tell you what your kids should be doing?

 

[Jman8]

What I said was e-cigs can not be marketed to their intended audience because the FDA says they can't. Therefore, they end up marketed to all audiences.

While unscrupulous vendors do exist, those of us who have been at this a while remember when the FDA was having US Customs seize shipments and hold them. A lot of mom-n-pops lost big and went under. Among the reasons for seizures, confiscations, and holds was health claims on packaging.

I like the original point in OP and part of the point in this post, especially the supreme point of "end up marketed to all audiences." FDA needs to realize it has some responsibility in how eCigs are marketed, and that in reality, because of FDA actions, eCigs must now be marketed to everyone. Last time I checked, people under 18 are part of everyone.

Furthermore, by trying to stipulate that these products are 'for adult users only,' it does stand a very good chance of having that rationale tested by them who are being forbidden from use. It likely shows up as a lie to those who are being forbidden from use. Imagine, for a moment, if the rationale was "only men can use eCigs, because only men's bodies can handle this product." Think that wouldn't be tested / circumvented?

Kids are likely to use regardless, but the rationale for using goes up a notch (or ten) when the rationale for not using is based on propaganda that a 5th grader can see right through.

 

[edyle]

The "study" in the news today about the increase in teen vapers is, if it's true, 100% the FDAs fault. E-cig manufacturers and vendors can not make any health claims about e-cigs... so they are not ALLOWED to call them SMOKING CESSATION products. They can not legally market them as a smoking cessation product like the gum, the patch, or etc. So, the focus does not remain 100% on using them as a smoking cessation product.

This is completely the fault of the over reaching FDA. We need to remember to place the blame where it belongs when discussing these things.

'study'

what 'study'?
what 'news'