It's not the nicotine...

[WarHawk-AVG]

Seriously, the fact that big tobacco is getting deeply involved with vaping, taking the if you can't beat them, join them, rob them, kill them slowly attitude is why I am working towards 0 nic. My addiction is the hand to mouth oral thing anyway, lol.
BUT... I do have a few niggles of concern about kids. Example: My child. All of her life she has begged and pleaded for me to quit smoking, saying how gross, I stink, they stink, they make HER stink, etc. Now, as I am filling the room with the smell of Tootsie Rolls and extremely juicy pear, she and her friends are EXTREMELY interested.
Just sayin', lol. I'm certainly not gonna stop. Poor kids.
Also, I'm reasonably intelligent and use common sense and do research. My favorite flavors are the ones that most likely would contain...gasp... diacetyl (sp?). Right now I am having to rely on trusting a complete stranger who wants my money when they say they are using flavorings that do not contain that. However, not all people research, or have common sense and know nothing about it or even to ask/check. I don't think ignorance or lack of information makes it ok for someone to ingest a product that could injure them, and people who are making and selling (and profiting from) this stuff (juice Vendors) are eventually going to need to be accountable for what they are selling. BTW, the diacetyl is just the only example that came to mind. Time and research may uncover a "definitely not a good idea to vape" list and I somehow think it should be easier to find out about for the general public than concerns about my favorite flavors were for me. IMO. The whole thing above about the MAOI's, etc really is something to consider. There may come a time when the only concern is not just what's in flavorings, sweeteners, but has there been anything intentionally additionally added and not disclosed. Sad, but true.

absolutely agreed on the "enticing" thing for kids.

But which would you rather see them pick up (none is the right answer ) if they did happen upon this nasty habit [and no amount of thising and thating can 100% stop someone from getting it if they want it...just look at the stuff "that shall not be named")...a no tar and carbon monoxide personal vaper with a little nicotine in it or a "cancer stick" with the fore mentioned TAR and Carbon Monoxide?

 

[FlameFairy]

OMG, I SO agree. My hope is that vaping stays "clean", and only improves with studies to eliminate anything found to be truly harmful. I don't think nicotine is any worse than caffeine. When I say "clean", I mean VG. PG, Flavor and Nic, NOTHING else. Your aforementioned additives is really a distinct possibility.
Here is what I do tell her- I most likely would not have started vaping had I not wanted to stop smoking. IMO, why bother, UNLESS you start out with 0 nic and do it for the enjoyment of the TASTE and flavors. That being said, there are still possible risks, I'd rather you not.
But, by all means, I'd rather see young people vape than smoke. If for no other reason than to take the money away from the companies than poisoned and enslaved me for so long, lol.
It is a strange predicament, I never felt guilty about lighting a cig, but sometimes now, when I'm vaping something yummy and a big cloud of YUM fills the room.............. Bwahaha! I'm not sharing -

 

[WarHawk-AVG]

Funny thing is...all the components in e-juice is ALREADY perfectly safe for human consumption...I don't understand why all the ANTZ don't realize this

 

[Shilo]

We don't need convincing WarHawk----totally agree---I think it all boils down to money and not our health or what is a better alternative. We can fight the false information out there as best as we can but I don't think we can ever stop eventual regulations and taxations---that is inevitable. Big Tobacco and Uncle Sam only care about profit not our health.

 

[OlDogNewTricks]

The chart is the most important part of this post to me. Very interesting, indeed. As for the rest of the points, I would doubt that you'll find anyone here that supports underage vaping. Seriously though, how likely is it that an underage person would find a vendor to sell to them (I hope not) and would they drop $50-$100 for a PV, then get some juice because it tastes like vanilla?

Heck, they are smoking bath salts to get high, they're cheap. Can't get high from store liquids.

Yes, you are preaching to the choir here, wish the 'save the precious little children' crowd would ready your post. It is such a ridiculous arguement. I agree that there should be difficult child proof caps to prevent accidental ingestion but that is the extent of the danger to children.

 

[WarHawk-AVG]

The chart is the most important part of this post to me. Very interesting, indeed. As for the rest of the points, I would doubt that you'll find anyone here that supports underage vaping. Seriously though, how likely is it that an underage person would find a vendor to sell to them (I hope not) and would they drop $50-$100 for a PV, then get some juice because it tastes like vanilla?

Heck, they are smoking bath salts to get high, they're cheap. Can't get high from store liquids.

Yes, you are preaching to the choir here, wish the 'save the precious little children' crowd would ready your post. It is such a ridiculous arguement. I agree that there should be difficult child proof caps to prevent accidental ingestion but that is the extent of the danger to children.

Exactly...I completely agree...it should be restricted from underage use..but just like everything else they get their hands on "bathsalts" and "the stuff that shall not be named" included they will get them no matter how much WE tell them its not good for them or even if the government makes it illegal.

To tell you the truth I would MUCH rather those "experimenting" get ahold of a personal vape or e-cig rather than a "cancer stick" I would have LOVED to been able to get one 20 years ago when I got my first analog...it would have saved me DECADES of degrading my health and wallet, by removing those afore mentioned "BAD CHEMICALS" in cigs...

Cigs are VERY bad for you, PV's and e-cigs are MUCH MUCH MUCH less bad for you

The benefits of using or even experimenting with PV's vs "cancer sticks" far outweigh the bad....

 

[zazz]

They don't want people off tobacco, too much money involved. Kids will smoke if they want to, I did. Parents need to educate their kids not rely on the government to regulate and ban things.

 

[John_]

Whenever I run into somebody that says the flavors of eliquid are being used to target kids I bring up stuff like this,
Pinnacle Vodka
I have yet to have a logical person (some people just cannot be reasoned with I'm sure we've all run into a few) keep arguing with me after that.

Thanks WarHawk! That info will come in handy. I've already come across a couple people from being supportive to being not sure (not family). We need all of the info as possible.

I laugh because the one told me they were targeting kids with flavored juice. The same person that thought it really cool that I was vaping Swedish Fish a week earlier. If its in the news they feel it must be true.

Thanks to this forum I've learned a lot about vaping. I've learned a lot more about how this country is run media is used. It has opened my eyes and I'm not caring for what I've been seeing.

 

[WarHawk-AVG]

Can't edit OP...this is the NEW url for the first post on the TAR and Carbon Monoxide link

Nicotine, Tar, and CO Content of Regular Cigarette Brands in 2007

 

[Thamyris]

To:WarHawk-AVG
I dont think you have a reason to apologize for anything.
being someone who works in the medical field along with my wife for over 20 yrs I can say this.
VG... is commonly used in laxatives... it is body friendly... as one may notice when vaping pure VG it gives ya the grumps/toots on occasion..... hehhe
PG...is a commonly used thinner in many IV injected meds that are to thick for body consumption through intravenous consumption.
it is used in the er all the time in particular ratios depending in the injection.

IT IS A MUST!!! NOT A OPTION!!!

while VG and PG are used commonly though many applications " yes even radiator fluid" due to its low freezing point. "the only relation"....

it is easy for those without "the big picture" to take the products and relate them to anything they may wish to find bad because they are not in understanding of how universal these products may be in common day to day use across many applications.

back in the day PG was even proven to be a anti virus antibody and at one point was pumped through the air filtration systems of many hospitals across the country "USA" as a deterrent against viruses and bacteria.
they don't tell you these things, they only wish to mention the negatives of relation to things they don't understand and think they may be able to relate it to.

the media and those that are being .....es about it are the same as those that don't understand why a cancer patient may find a use for medical ... or cannabinoids ... all they see is something they do not understand. and they do not wish to take the time to understand it they only wish to find a common assumption that it may be related to and twist it to their own liking of how "they wish to see it".

its what one calls the blind eye.... they see something and they relate it to bad... then they give it the "blind eye" to the benefit them and only try to find the negative of it in anyway or form.... and raise a fuss on something they have not cared to completely research or give a open eye too.
it is proven humans will reject that which is not like himself on more than 90% of all things not within understanding.
And its within the human nature to reject something they don't understand in order to believe themselves everyone should be / or see the world as "how i view it" nature. while they may in their own mind truly believe they are right. as they only wish to have the blind eye....
we all know from "the big entire picture" and through some research that they are wrong.

but regardless they will always as they always have continued to be blind and have the "in my own mind" syndrome.
not much we can do about those people.
but what we can do is try to educate those that are willing to listen to the facts and continue from there.
It in the end is not about what "one" views on something, but more or less on how "one" wishes to view it..
I wish some people would take the time to slow down and actually take in actual the information rather than give out what information they wish to artificially relate it to.

 

[hlk]

The other part of this is how many jobs will be lost if it becomes prohibative to sell online and in stores. Thousands of people will lose their jobs and source of income. I don't think the FDA gives a Rats ..... but this upsets me.

 

[Anjaffm]

Wow,WarHawk! What a great, great posting!
This is a wonderful summary of .. just about everything you need to know about vaping. And about the nonsense spouted by the ANTZ (many of whom are paid by Big Pharma - an industry that makes huge profits from treating sick smokers and that has no intention of having their profits lessened by those pesky human beings who simply do not wish to get sick).
One source

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

 

[vaperature]

I agree nicotine is not as addictive as it's made out to be. It's a very safe, natural compound that can be found in tomatoes and eggplants. I agree it's the other stuff in cigarettes that causes such extreme addiction, possibly stuff added to it during the manufacture of cigarettes such as strychnine

 

[skymyrka]

I agree. In a matter of several weeks coming off cigarettes I was down to 0mg e-liquids. I have liquids in my rotation with varying nicotine levels not because of substance dependency but because of taste preference: some juices just taste better with different levels.