It's time to order new flavors... advice needed

[Riff]

Well I've been mixing it all myself for the past few months. I started with too many fruits, then ordered enough blenders to carry me more than through what I had. I've had some luck with on the fly, but do to poor documentation (and a kid and dog playing in my area) my notes got demolished. So I started again, mostly recipes and modding the recipe.

I blend 3 solid gotos: FW Cucumber Mint (neat? one flavor straight mix) a Snake Oil variant (TFA Bavarian Cream, Pear, and Coconut Extract I play with percentages and document on the bottle until I find exactly my favorite setup) and a Banana Strawberry (also TFA Banana Cream and Ripe Strawberry mixed to my desire, sometimes 50/50 sometimes 10 more berry than nanner).

I'm finally out of Cucumber Mint (had bought a big bottle, 120ml) as it was a backup "can't go wrong" mix. And my supplies are low for my current goto (Snake Oil, I can make another 100 ml for sure but that's low for me.) So I'm about to order some more flavorings.

I would like to add another mix to my rotation, and might drop Cucumber Mint for the next 6 months (finally tired of it) any suggestions for fruity blends? I'd like to add either an apple, grape, or melon recipe to the mix. With confidence I can handle 3 parts blends, but honestly I don't want some 6 part master blend. My palate just isn't that crazy refined. Of all the crazy "premium blends" I've tried the only things that I would ever like to try to make myself is either fruit loops (honestly seems like a hassle when the local shop will blend that up for me) or Alice in Vapelands Zombie Apocalypse as it's crazy good.

TLDR version:
Looking for simple recipe for any Apple, Grape, or Melon-y flavor too add to my rotation.

Thanks all and vape on.
Cheers, Riff.

 

[G and C]

I'm not sure it qualifies as apple, grape, or melon-y, but if you're looking for something that's fruity and yet a little different, you might try TFAs Dragonfruit. It's delicious as a standalone, but it also mixes really well with other flavors for a little change.

 

[JCinFLA]

@Riff - Hi there again! Glad you've been enjoying DIY.

IIRC, that TFA Banana Cream and TFA Strawberry Ripe mix you make is a variation of my easy peasy NannerBerry recipe I posted in a thread you had going back then. Below are a couple ideas from Bill's Magic Vapor...a longtime ECF member who used to make eliquid commercially. He's highly-respected here on ECF for his extensive knowledge about it and his willingness to share it. I know you said you'd like to limit the # of flavorings in your recipes to 3, but with just another 1 or 2...these might be to your liking.

TFA flavorings are used in these, and as always with DIY...adjust the % used, to your own tastes:

Fruit Loops
Cherry - 9%
Raspberry - 8%
Dulce de Leche - 2%
Orange Cream - 1%

Tarts Base - Using the flavorings below as a starting base, then adding any 1 fruit to it, to your own taste...you can get a different Starburst type flavor each time. It's great with Cherry, Lemon, Strawberry, Orange, or Grape. He recommends that if you use Grape to make a Grape Tart...use it with up to 2% raspberry or with up to 5% strawberry, to keep the Grape from having a sort of chemically/floral note to it.

Sweet Cream - 4%
Vanilla Swirl - 4%
Cotton Candy - 2%
Sweet and Tart - 2%

He has many other recipes, most of which I've saved on another computer that, unfortunately, needs repair now. So I can't access them. I remember there's at least 1 for Grape Candy, and 1 using various Melons. I'll see if I can find those recipes elsewhere on here though, too.

ETA: Been searching through his posts on The Flavor Apprentice thread, and found this info & recipe that may be of help. It's got more flavorings than you said you really wanted to deal with, but it looks simple enough, as far as measuring them out.

On percentages of fruit, if you want a fruitier, cleaner fruit flavoring, make sure that the fruits are at least 50% of the mix. So, try grape and strawberry for example at 50% of the total flavoring. This is very key to getting a fruitier Grape Starburst, for example:

Fruity Grape Bubbleburst

Grape - 6%
Strawberry - 2 - 4%
Vanilla Swirl - 2 - 4%
Bubblegum - 2%
Sweet and Tart - 2%
Sweet Cream - 2 - 4%

Will still look for others!

 

[BrotherBob]

my notes got demolished.

Might want to save your recipes on line, could look at:
Just save the final calculation and bookmark, you will then have the recipe on line whenever you want to look at it.
re: E-Liquid Calculator Ten Flavors with PG/VG Adjusting

I would like to add another mix to my rotation

Best recipes of last year:
re: DIYorDIE Best Recipe of the Year 2016

 

[ckquatt]

If you're looking for Grapey-Melony mix how about a Thug Juice Style flavor. I don;t particulary like menthol flavors but during the summer I really like this one. It's super tasty!!

You could do Flavor Wests Jungle Juice at 14%-15%

There is also a recipe floating around the interwebs (though I can't seem to find it ATM) for it with individual flavors. Grape Candy, Watermelon, Koolada, Menthol.

 

[Riff]

@Riff - Hi there again! Glad you've been enjoying DIY.

IIRC, that TFA Banana Cream and TFA Strawberry Ripe mix you make is a variation of my easy peasy NannerBerry recipe I posted in a thread you had going back then.

Most def that recipe started as your NannerBerry, I tweak it to taste these days but who doesn't. My first stop this time around was the for dummies thread. Maybe I'll go buzz my old online provider and look for inspiration there.

I think the hard part is getting lost in the forest of recipes and not sure what it will turn out as. Next month things will be better, I'm gainfully employed again and can be a bit more experimental again as well.

 

[hittman]

4% each of honeydew, ripe strawberry and juicy peach. It's a close copy of Agnostic Brew's Tribulation.

 

[go_player]

I blend 3 solid gotos: FW Cucumber Mint (neat? one flavor straight mix) a Snake Oil variant (TFA Bavarian Cream, Pear, and Coconut Extract I play with percentages and document on the bottle until I find exactly my favorite setup) and a Banana Strawberry (also TFA Banana Cream and Ripe Strawberry mixed to my desire, sometimes 50/50 sometimes 10 more berry than nanner).

TLDR version:
Looking for simple recipe for any Apple, Grape, or Melon-y flavor too add to my rotation.

IMHO, FA Fuji ought to be at the top of your list. It's a great Apple flavor, and very vapeable as a standalone at ~4%. It's also a great addition to _lots_ of fruit recipes. Even in recipes where you don't really want to taste a lot of Apple it makes all kinds of fruits pop as low as 0.5%. If you're going to have one Apple this is the one, unless you want something very specific. It does like a slightly longer steep than some other fruit flavors though. One nice simple recipe using it is D Cream . (Though it's worth noting that a minority of people can't vape TPA VBIC as they taste a strong pepper note in it.)

There are a _lot_ of melons, and they vary a lot. Are you looking for a specific melon, and if so are you looking for a realistic version, or something more candyish? MF honeydew is the single best melon I know of, but I won't recommend it to you, cause it's a bit hard to work with. But FLV Wild Melons is also very good.

How many flavors are you looking at ordering, and what's your rough budget? Might be easier to reccommend recipes knowing that.

 

[Riff]

Just looking to add a few extra flavors to my rotation. I order "small batches" right now 30 mls of the 5 I need to make my 2 gotos. and a spread for experiments. Since flavors are inexpensive in small batches I spend $20-30 when I order and it last around a month plus whatever the experimentals leave over.

For melons, I like real fruit not so much candy. I've mixed with FA watermelon, honeydew, and cantaloupe to varying success. They can be sweet, but can be nice to add to other fruits as well.

 

[go_player]

I don't have a lot of grapes, but INW Grape is a good one. Here's a really well-known recipe that uses it: Grack Juice . It would require you to pick up a few flavors, but they're pretty much all worthwhile (and most are staples, IMHO, though I have to admit that I tend to think JF Sweet Strawberry is just better than CAP.) But Grack juice is pretty unusual, and hard to describe. I'm not sure it's up everyone's alley.

 

[tazzle]

A recipe I've had bookmarked for a while is "Rhaegal's Thorn" by DarthVapor:

1.2% Cactus (INAWERA)
1.8% Cantaloupe (Flavorah)
2.8% Dragonfruit (TPA)
1% Fuji Apple (FA)
2.5% Pear (FA)
2.2% Wild Melon (Flavorah)

I haven't tried it yet, because I still need to acquire the two Flavorah flavors, but he says "If you like melon vapes you HAVE to get the wild melon! Best melon I have tasted!" so that may be a good melon to try out.

And ha, I realize now that this is a 6-ingredient recipe, which you said you don't want, but I'll leave it for a possible future recipe, and for the Wild Melon info.

Maybe a Wild Melon and Lemonade mix might be good.

(Just for a btw, for anyone thinking about trying this recipe, he also says TPA Pear is not a good sub for the FA Pear.)

 

[go_player]

And ha, I realize now that this is a 6-ingredient recipe, which you said you don't want, but I'll leave it for a possible future recipe, and for the Wild Melon info.

Yup, Grack juice falls into that category too, actually... But yeah, I'll second the FLV Wild Melon.

(Just for a btw, for anyone thinking about trying this recipe, he also says TPA Pear is not a good sub for the FA Pear.)

That's definitely true. I don't think TFA Pear is great as a main Pear note. What I get most from it is the peel of the pear, and it's pretty harsh at even like 4%. It is also one of those rare fruits that needs quite a bit of a steep when used as a main note. But, used at a low percentage with something like FA Pear that peel note can be good to give a bit of authenticity.

Let's see, back to the OP's question. Here's a very well-known recipe that uses only three ingredients: Strap-On . Fair warning, some people might find the image used for the recipe at that link offensive, and it's probably NSFW at a lot of places, so exercise care in clicking it. The recipe is:

* 2% FA Fuji
* 3% FA Strawberry
* 3% FA Watermelon

It's meant as something of a customizable fruit base for people to add things on top of, and people have come up with a lot of variations, but it's pretty good on its own too. The one thing I'd say about it is that it can be a bit dry, by itself, and the Watermelon is not that prominent (I kind of feel like FA Watermelon is not as strong as most of their flavors.) And a lot of FA fruits are strangely dry, their strawberry being one. Fuji is a funny one because it somehow manages to be simultaneously dry and juicy... well, I get that from actual apples, so it's kind of authentic.

It's actually harder, IMHO, to come up with really good two and three ingredient recipes than it is to use a few more. I looked up a fruit recipe I made a little while ago that I liked, thinking it was three ingredients, and it turns out it was five... I'd forgotten I added a couple of little accents to round things out.

That said, fruit is pretty forgiving, so as long as you use flavors that make good main notes and know a couple of principles you can pretty safely mix and match them. A couple of notes: One of the reasons Fuji is so popular is that even at low percentages it does something really nice for other fruits, and it's good as a main note as well. INW Cactus at _very_ low percentages is great for adding juiciness. FA Pear as an accent can add some juiciness and some sweetness. A little bit of Lemon is also great for making other fruits pop. TPA dragonfruit at low percentages is great for melding other fruits, and brings a bit of juiciness of its own to the table.

Kind of theory-crafting here, but here are a couple of thing that I suspect would be pretty good, off the top of my head, using flavors mentioned in this thread:

One with all three flavors:

* 2% FA Fuji
* 1% INW Grape
* 2% FLV Wild Melon

Another without the grape, but with a bit of lemon to make it pop:

* 3% FA Fuji
* 2% FLV Wild Melon
* 0.75% FA Lemon Sicily

If you want to go for something Strap-on like with the Strawberry you have this might work:

* 2% FA Fuji
* 4%-6% TFA Strawberry (Ripe)
* 2% FLV Wild Melon

For my tastes SB Ripe by itself would not be quite the right Strawberry here, but I do see a lot of people mix with it like this, so I suspect it would be to some tastes.

If you feel like venturing into a fourth ingredient, pretty much all of these would benefit from something like 0.25% INW Cactus. And that last one especially would probably do well with maybe 1% TPA Dragonfruit.

One of the most highly rated recipes on the site that can't be named is Snowy Fuji, by Buhar Odasi. It uses TFA Bavarian Cream, which you already have. It's:

4% TFA Bavarian Cream
2.5% CAP Caramel
3.5% FA Fuji

I haven't mixed it, but... I don't think that much of the CAP Caramel, so I'd personally be inclined to sub FA Caramel at like 1%-1.5% . That actually sounds pretty good- I might have to mix that soon.

 

[jambi]

A recipe I've had bookmarked for a while is "Rhaegal's Thorn" by DarthVapor:

1.2% Cactus (INAWERA)
1.8% Cantaloupe (Flavorah)
2.8% Dragonfruit (TPA)
1% Fuji Apple (FA)
2.5% Pear (FA)
2.2% Wild Melon (Flavorah)

I haven't tried it yet, because I still need to acquire the two Flavorah flavors, but he says "If you like melon vapes you HAVE to get the wild melon! Best melon I have tasted!" so that may be a good melon to try out.

And ha, I realize now that this is a 6-ingredient recipe, which you said you don't want, but I'll leave it for a possible future recipe, and for the Wild Melon info.

Maybe a Wild Melon and Lemonade mix might be good.

(Just for a btw, for anyone thinking about trying this recipe, he also says TPA Pear is not a good sub for the FA Pear.)

DarthVapor's recipes are what made me really appreciate the wonders of Flavorah. I've mixed this one using FA Cantaloupe, and it's great. I have yet to obtain the elusive FLV Cantaloupe. It's always out of stock when I'm ready to place an order.

 

[jambi]

One of the most highly rated recipes on the site that can't be named is Snowy Fuji, by Buhar Odasi. It uses TFA Bavarian Cream, which you already have. It's:

4% TFA Bavarian Cream
2.5% CAP Caramel
3.5% FA Fuji

I haven't mixed it, but... I don't think that much of the CAP Caramel, so I'd personally be inclined to sub FA Caramel at like 1%-1.5% . That actually sounds pretty good- I might have to mix that soon.

Saw your post yesterday, mixed this. I have CAP and FA Caramel, but opted for my favorite, TFA Caramel Original at the same 2.5 %. Fresh off the scale, great stuff! Nice balance between the Fuji and caramel, though it was obvious the Bav. Cream hadn't had any time to do its stuff. If not for my extraordinary willpower, I'd have vaped the whole tester. Letting it sit now to see what the Bavarian Cream does to it, but I think this will remain great as long as the apple and caramel stay in sync (please Fuji, don't fade!). Even if it does fade, with just those two flavors, this makes a great shake and vape slammer.

FA Fuji is such an outstanding flavor, best apple bar none, and a definite candidate for flavor MVP Hall of Fame.