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If John Wayne was "American" I want none of it.

Some famous John Wayne non movie quotes

In an interview with Playboy magazine published on May 1, 1971, Wayne made several controversial remarks about race and class in the United States. The interview became a hot topic and many stores had trouble keeping the issue in stock.[40] He noted that, as someone living in the 20th century, he was not responsible for the way people who lived one hundred years before him had treated Native Americans, stating:

I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them if that's what you're asking. Our so called stealing of this country was just a question of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.... I'm quite sure that the concept of a Government-run reservation... seems to be what the socialists are working for now — to have everyone cared for from cradle to grave.... But you can't whine and bellyache 'cause somebody else got a break and you didn't, like those Indians are. We'll all be on a reservation soon if the socialists keep subsidizing groups like them with our tax money.[41][42]

He then continued to discuss race relations, including his opinions regarding the current civil rights of African Americans:


I believe in white supremacy until blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.... The academic community has developed certain tests that determine whether the blacks are sufficiently equipped scholastically.... I don't feel guilty about the fact that five or ten generations ago these people were slaves. Now I'm not condoning slavery. It's just a fact of life, like the kid who gets infantile paralysis and can't play football like the rest of us.[43]

When asked how blacks could address the inequities of the past, Wayne replied:


By going to school. I don't know why people insist that blacks have been forbidden to go to school. They were allowed in public schools wherever I've been. I think any black man who can compete with a white can get a better break than a white man. I wish they'd tell me where in the world they have it better than right here in America.[40]
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If John Wayne was "American" I want none of it.

Some famous John Wayne non movie quotes


John Wayne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why because he felt free enough to voice his opinion when asked?
Or is it because he didn't feel responsible for the cultural annihilation of the native Americans that he had nothing to do with nor could be expected to atone for? His views on race were consistent with the values he was brought up to believe in that time frame even if they were a bit misguided. Maybe you disagree that blacks should go to school same as whites?

If you feel its wrong for an American voicing his opinion then I want no part of your America.
 

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Why because he felt free enough to voice his opinion when asked?
Or is it because he didn't feel responsible for the cultural annihilation of the native Americans that he had nothing to do with nor could be expected to atone for? His views on race were consistent with the values he was brought up to believe in that time frame even if they were a bit misguided. Maybe you disagree that blacks should go to school same as whites?

If you feel its wrong for an American voicing his opinion then I want no part of your America.

Any statement made "consistent with the values he was brought up to believe in that time frame even if they were a bit misguided" does not make something ok, or magically acceptable with age.
 

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How is anything he said (those things posted here, at least) wrong at all? A hyphenated name shows divided loyalties, and is divisive of people. We are all American period. He refuses to apologize or feel guilty about something he did not do. Nothing dishonorable there. And he believes in equal rights for everyone, not special rights for certain groups.

If this country is so bad, why are people dying to come here? If you dislike this country so much, why don't you move to another one? Unlike many countries, we don't prevent anyone from leaving.

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Well there isn't too many people in this world I would have like to be friends with more than the Duke when he was alive. When I was younger that was my nickname because I liked him so much. I have over 125 of his movies on disc and every time I find another one I get it. His values on America were hard to beat. A true American legend.
 

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“I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility.”

Huh...how do you read that?

That's difficult to defend. As son et lumiere said they were different times. My maternal grandmother was from the south, granddaughter of Governor William Ross of Delaware, a slave owner.

She used the ...... freely, though to hear her speak she was most comfortable in the company of blacks...not in the roll of mistress but more as student, fan, friend...and frequently co-conspirator to hear her tell it. The way I'd feel in the company of Charlie Parker or Charles Mingus. She would delight her white upper-class, mostly navy-brass audiences with tales from the southern kitchen. Driving Miss Daisy comes to mind although that character became more liberated from her class than was my grand mother.
I think the character being Jewish gave her an edge.

My mother "got it" and would constantly chastise her for using the ...... but to no avail. It was who she was. Where she came from. Almost a prisoner. She didn't have the will or courage to enter a different age. She would have had to deny her heritage. That was my mothers job...and mine. I don't remember my grandmother as being a bad person, devoid of love or wisdom. Just quaint.
This sort of gives credence to and illustrates your point from the other forum, ShadowWulf.

Most white people don't realize how recently it was that the ...... was in the common vernacular of both blacks and whites, the word "negro" only appearing on the printed page from the more "enlightened" and progressive presses. We all know it's still used in some patches of white society but mostly hushed.

Here in Los Angeles CA we had a street just off the Plaza originally called Calle de los Negros which the whites corrupted into N(word) Alley, a name which the news papers would use until just after the turn of the century when the alley was literally removed, adobe buildings torn down to make it all part of Los Angeles St. The area is now divided between a small parking lot and an on-ramp to the 101 fwy.

It's late, I'm tired and I forgot what my point was....
 
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Why because he felt free enough to voice his opinion when asked?
Or is it because he didn't feel responsible for the cultural annihilation of the native Americans that he had nothing to do with nor could be expected to atone for? His views on race were consistent with the values he was brought up to believe in that time frame even if they were a bit misguided. Maybe you disagree that blacks should go to school same as whites?

If you feel its wrong for an American voicing his opinion then I want no part of your America.

You can voice your opinion all you want, and I'm happy for that freedom. It doesn't exempt one from being a racist though. I'm not sure how you would derive that I think anyone should be exempt from joining the same schools based on skin color or nationality from bringing up the point that he was not ashamed to consider himself a white supremacist.
 

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You can voice your opinion all you want, and I'm happy for that freedom. It doesn't exempt one from being a racist though. I'm not sure how you would derive that I think anyone should be exempt from joining the same schools based on skin color or nationality from bringing up the point that he was not ashamed to consider himself a white supremacist.

Now this is the point where you reach to find something offensive so that you may argue your point further.

I wrote:
"Maybe you disagree that blacks should go to school same as whites?"

You read:
"Maybe you disagree that blacks should go to the same school as whites?"

John Wayne was perhaps a racist. I wont belabor the point. I doubt he was actively discriminating but then at that period in America a large% of white people were.

He did not propagandize racism in his work. The ideals he did work to further were wholesome decent and Honorable. He was a human with all of the human foibles.

He would have never been as open and honest if that interview had been given today. Americans now hide their true feelings behind a facade of political correctness and false religious piety. No one is honest, No one is truly forthcoming about how they really feel, they will only tell you what you want to hear.
 

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That is what it said on his Congressional Medal of Honor.

Here is a clip from the Dean Martin show. Dean asked him about his new daughter.

YouTube - John Wayne

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Um, no. John Wayne AKA Marion Morrison was never in the service - period. He never could won the CMH. Lifetime Acheivement Award - yes, CMH - no. I don't care what's on youtube.


"America's entry into World War II resulted in a deluge of support for the war effort from all sectors of society, and Hollywood was no exception. Many established stars rushed to sign up for military service.

As the majority of male leads left Hollywood to serve overseas, John Wayne saw his just-blossoming stardom at risk. Despite enormous pressure from his inner circle of friends, he put off enlisting. Wayne was exempted from service due to his age (34 at the time of Pearl Harbor) and family status, classified as 3-A (family deferment). Wayne's secretary recalled making inquiries of military officials on behalf of his interest in enlisting, "but he never really followed up on them."[32] He repeatedly wrote to John Ford, asking to be placed in Ford's military unit, but consistently postponed it until "after he finished one more film."[33] Republic Studios was emphatically resistant to losing Wayne, especially after the loss of Gene Autry to the Army.[34]

Correspondence between Wayne and Herbert J. Yates (the head of Republic) indicates that Yates threatened Wayne with a lawsuit if he walked away from his contract, though the likelihood of a studio suing its biggest star for going to war was minute.[35] Whether or not the threat was real, Wayne did not test it. Selective Service Records indicate he did not attempt to prevent his reclassification as 1-A (draft eligible), but apparently Republic Pictures intervened directly, requesting his further deferment.[36] In May, 1944, Wayne was reclassified as 1-A (draft eligible), but the studio obtained another 2-A deferment (for "support of national health, safety, or interest").[36] He remained 2-A until the war's end. Thus, John Wayne did not illegally "dodge" the draft, but he never took direct positive action toward enlistment.

Wayne was in the South Pacific theater of the war for three months in 1943–44, touring U.S. bases and hospitals as well as doing some "undercover" work for OSS commander William J. "Wild Bill" Donovan, who thought Wayne's celebrity might be good cover for an assessment of the causes for poor relations between General Douglas MacArthur and Donovan's OSS Pacific network. Wayne filed a report and Donovan gave him a plaque and commendation for serving with the OSS, but Wayne dismissed it as meaningless.[37]

The foregoing facts influenced the direction of Wayne's later life. By many accounts, Wayne's failure to serve in the military during World War II was the most painful experience of his life.[38] There were some other stars who, for various reasons, did not enlist. But Wayne, by virtue of becoming a celluloid war hero in several patriotic war films, as well as an outspoken supporter of conservative political causes and the Vietnam War, became the focus of particular disdain from both himself and certain portions of the public, particularly in later years. While some hold Wayne in contempt for the paradox between his early actions and his later attitudes, his widow suggests that Wayne's rampant patriotism in later decades sprang not from hypocrisy but from guilt. Pilar Wayne wrote, "He would become a 'superpatriot' for the rest of his life trying to atone for staying home."[39]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne#Military_service_controversy
 
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Read the part in congressional medal of honor. John Wayne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

OK, 6 years in the Marines. I know who can be awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor and he didn't get one. It was not the CMH. A civilian cannot win this award. You all are confusing it with the Congressional Gold Medal and after he died he was awarded The Presidential Medal of Freedom by Carter. The U.S. Mint by direction of the president struck a Gold Commemorative Medal in his honor, you can still purchase these today. He never served, he was never in combat, therefore he was never eligible for the Congressional Medal of Honor.

Read the difference and requirements for yourselves. BTW, when I was in boot camp, John Wayne was still alive.

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Oh, and here's the list of all Medal of Honor Receipents up to 1978.

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