Juice Storage Reminder people -> Summer

[mwa102464]

Just thought I would put a reminder out there, the warmer weather and summer are approaching us, with that said if your not one who stores in the fridge and Nic in Freezer then it would probably be a good idea to move all your stored juice to a cool dark place at this point and time. Like in a box and in a low spot like a crawl space or whatever the coolest place in the house is if you dont already keep it there, again just a reminder

 

[Insomaniac10]

i thought storing in the fridge is a no-no?

i found this thread because i was beginning to wonder the same thing. this will be my first summer vaping, and im very concerned. i do not have good temperature control in my house, very cold in winter and very hot in summer (hand heaters/oil heat during the winter, window ACs during the summer).
We try to leave the ACs off as much as possible since it jacks up the elec bill. My basement is a major inconvience because people live on the lower floor so i can only access it by going outside.

does anyone have any suggestions? maybe a pre-refrigerated lunch box or cooler and keep them in a closet??

edit - we do leave the AC in our bedroom on during very hot days for our dog while we are at work...but im not convinced it cools the room down to the chilly temp-range that ejuices prefer.

 

[Kemosabe]

madvapes has an on-going study on the degrading of nic over time. they have 4 different testing areas: refrigerator, room temp office, room temp window sill, and open bottle on a window sill.

the only one that lost any potency was the one that was left open on a window sill. and it took it 5 weeks just to lose a single mg/ml. the study is still on-going, but it really puts my mind at ease. i leave my nic in a box on the kitchen table and im confident it wont lose much (if any) potency.

http://www.madvapes.com/Nicotine-Concentration-Over-Time_b_55.html?referer=mailid:51

 

[Kemosabe]

mwa are those hand-blown drip tips in your avatar?!

 

[ChrispyCritter]

I just store mine on my desk..its in a dark corner and my room never gets very warm..central a/c for those hot days

 

[wolcen]

Thanks for the reminder

I'm not so worried about potency, but the overall change in the e-juice. Juice certainly changes over time, and the warmer the juice the faster the changes. Whatever it changes into I couldn't say [yet], but I like my juice the way it is now

Don't forget your Kids, Doggies, Cats, etc in your search for the chill zone! This is the reason I don't use the fridge presently, even with "child-proof" (yeah, right) caps.

 

[wolcen]

mwa are those hand-blown drip tips in your avatar?!

Appear to be Trippy Tips?

ETA: They appear to be out of everywhere. eliquidplanet has them "coming soon" also...

 

[Mia]

Mine kept fine for several months in the refrigerator.

 

[kwalka]

This is a quote from Don at BWB : "No fridge, fridge equals condensation, condensation equals bacteria".

 

[wolcen]

This is a quote from Don at BWB : "No fridge, fridge equals condensation, condensation equals bacteria".

First, let me qualify that I am not a microbiologist, nor an e-liquid expert by any means, so take this for what it's worth. I'd just like to put this in a little less black and white terms. (I mean no disrespect to Don at all; I realize he has a HUGE following, and clearly knows e-liquid.)

People refrigerate things for preservation. I'm all for that, especially for storage of e-liquid (at least once it reaches steeping maturity). e-liquid is partly comprised of food grade flavorings. Now, I don't know what happens to them over time, but whatever does, will happen more slowly at a lower temperature.

If you are really worried about bacteria, keep anything you use frequently in, say 10ml, or so bottles outside the fridge, and keep your nic base, and larger quantities in the fridge. When you take them out (to make a new batch or transfer some to a smaller container) just allow them to come to room temperature before opening them. (Be sure they are mixed well also after they've warmed up!)

From my understanding, nicotine, glycerol, and alcohol (all very common ingredients) all have antimicrobial preservative effects. I could see bacteria being a much bigger problem if water was the primary ingredient in e-liquid but water is generally 0% to 20% (at the very high end) of an e-liquid from what I have read anyway. (I'd venture a guess its most commonly around 5-10%, if it's present at all [instead of PGA]).

Condensation would not generally be good for e-liquid anyway as it will change the formulation if it occurs enough - and PG is hygroscopic (able to absorb water from the environment) to boot. But, I'd think you'd need a lot of condensation to cause the amount of water in an e-liquid to be sufficient to grow bacteria - in my estimation anyway (again, not an expert here, but this seems sensible to me at least).

If you are keeping small quantities in your fridge that you e.g. refill cartos frequently from just hold them in your hands for a minute or hold them under luke warm water before opening them to at least get them above the dew point.

 

[mariahpoo]

First, let me qualify that I am not a microbiologist, nor an e-liquid expert by any means, so take this for what it's worth. I'd just like to put this in a little less black and white terms. (I mean no disrespect to Don at all; I realize he has a HUGE following, and clearly knows e-liquid.)

People refrigerate things for preservation. I'm all for that, especially for storage of e-liquid (at least once it reaches steeping maturity). e-liquid is partly comprised of food grade flavorings. Now, I don't know what happens to them over time, but whatever does, will happen more slowly at a lower temperature.

If you are really worried about bacteria, keep anything you use frequently in, say 10ml, or so bottles outside the fridge, and keep your nic base, and larger quantities in the fridge. When you take them out (to make a new batch or transfer some to a smaller container) just allow them to come to room temperature before opening them. (Be sure they are mixed well also after they've warmed up!)

From my understanding, nicotine, glycerol, and alcohol (all very common ingredients) all have antimicrobial preservative effects. I could see bacteria being a much bigger problem if water was the primary ingredient in e-liquid but water is generally 0% to 20% (at the very high end) of an e-liquid from what I have read anyway. (I'd venture a guess its most commonly around 5-10%, if it's present at all [instead of PGA]).

Condensation would not generally be good for e-liquid anyway as it will change the formulation if it occurs enough - and PG is hygroscopic (able to absorb water from the environment) to boot. But, I'd think you'd need a lot of condensation to cause the amount of water in an e-liquid to be sufficient to grow bacteria - in my estimation anyway (again, not an expert here, but this seems sensible to me at least).

If you are keeping small quantities in your fridge that you e.g. refill cartos frequently from just hold them in your hands for a minute or hold them under luke warm water before opening them to at least get them above the dew point.

That sounds pretty solid to me.

 

[mwa102464]

mwa are those hand-blown drip tips in your avatar?!

Yes kemosabe, from Bert the TrippyTip Torch man Donuts ROCK !!!


As for the madvapes test, just my opinion, but it hasnt ran long enough yet, I think you will see in time 6 months or so that the fridge Nic will hold best, just my opinion like I said,,, I do keep juice in the fridge and ALL of my Nic in the freezer,,,I've ben at this for almost 3 yrs, I've had Nic in my freezer for over 2 years now and its still fine, Nic likes cold, real cold,,, as for juice I store the juice I'm not using in full bottles in the fridge, no condensation is getting in my full glass bottles stored in the fridge, None.... when I'm ready to use that bottle of juice out she comes and I use it till its done. Got me,,, it works !