just a thought on legality

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Supacrazyguy

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If you can't sell a purse or a copy of a movie in the US then why can they sell GG knock offs. they are marketed the same and to me sold as the same.

Because US government is only interested in protecting big business due to lobbyists filling there pockets even against the interests of the american people .

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There's that, and also those purses you are talking about are fake, but trying to sell them as name-brand purses.
I am not defending GG rip-offs whatsoever - but I don't believe they are calling them Golden Greek items, right?
Does imeo have a patent for any of his stuff? He probably should... I don't really know how all that works, though.
But it's the same way multiple companies can sell cars, and not just Henry Ford, for example. That's also why Apple has patents and is suing other companies for ripping their stuff...

It's bull.... that people are ripping imeo off, but I don't care how many ripoffs there are and how cheap they are, I know they won't be as good as the real thing. You get what you pay for, and I think true collectors will always go for the real GG
 

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piracy its something it wont stop, it dosent matter that you have your products patented 1 bit, that dosent stop people that want to make a quick buck (especialy the chinise) or people who want to save money or cant afford to buy original things.

ill admit i purchased a knock off wallet for 10% of the original brand price and it has last me 10 times as much as the same original wallet i bougth original at full price, as long as there is people buying this stuff no matter what it will be sold, not everey thing its good quality but the chinise are resourceful, at some point they will be selling all kinds of products with similar qualities to the originals at at least 50% of the original price, it is very hard to resist, especially when you have to wait 3 months to buy a GG product if you don't miss the presale, and even then could be something else entirely that you dont want and have to wait 6 months for something that you did want or could be even more :s

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Unfortunately they call them sub. China gave to GG copies my names, like GGTS, Odysseus etc.
There's that, and also those purses you are talking about are fake, but trying to sell them as name-brand purses.
I am not defending GG rip-offs whatsoever - but I don't believe they are calling them Golden Greek items, right?
Does imeo have a patent for any of his stuff? He probably should... I don't really know how all that works, though.
But it's the same way multiple companies can sell cars, and not just Henry Ford, for example. That's also why Apple has patents and is suing other companies for ripping their stuff...

It's bull.... that people are ripping imeo off, but I don't care how many ripoffs there are and how cheap they are, I know they won't be as good as the real thing. You get what you pay for, and I think true collectors will always go for the real GG
 

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Unfortunately they call them sub. China gave to GG copies my names, like GGTS, Odysseus etc.

Wow that's way worse! Sorry you have to put up with ripoffs, imeo. You know what they say, though.. imitation is a form of flattery! It's because you're the best!
 

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Patents are not cheap. I'm not sure if a company like Imeo's could afford the costs involved. Then once he had his patents, would he have the time and money to pay lawyers to pursue those infringing the patents?

It was a clone that made me aware of Imeo. Without it I would not have heard of GG. Now that I know if a copy performs so well, I want to support the original manufacturer. So I want to get an Ithaka someday.

The Chinese tend to be fast at copying, but not producing true innovations like Imeo. Imeo's best business plan is (imho) to make real improvements on his already amazing concepts to stay ahead of those "copycats". He can either invest money in a broken patent system, or buy more CNCs... ;) just my humble opinion!

The Chinese are giving Imeo advertising. "Don't imitate, innovate!" :)
 

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i was just thinking if we cant stop them from making them then we should be able to stop them from selling them here in the states at least.....
It is the US ecig retailers that are sending original gg stuff to China and pay chinese factories to make them clones for them to sell. If you want to nip the problem in the bud, you should go after the retailers. Lots of luck on that mission though as clones are even proliferating in ecf classies and coops. :(
 

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Being in the guitar business my whole life, we've seen a huge influx of china based copies of name brand instruments and from what I've determined is that its only illegal to try to pass a fake as the real deal. If you inform, market, and sell the product as a copy, fake, or an impostor and as long as you make it absolutely clear that the product is not genuine, you have stayed within the confines of the law. But the minute you let someone who purchases said product believe that they have purchased an authentic, genuine name brand product it is at that moment that you have actually broken the law. Movies and music are a whole different category because you are illegally selling someone else's actual copy-written product. Even being a lower quality version, it's still their exact product. Also, Not that patent's are effective anyway But, from the research I've done on patent's, a manufacturer only has to change the actual design by a small percentage, so the subtle differences
you see between the copy's and the name brand products are most likely enough of a design difference to keep the manufacturer within the guidelines of patent laws anyway. It's sux sometimes, but as far as the legality of the whole thing I dont think much can be done to stop it.
 

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Just knowing you own the real thing is enough for me--same applies to my tattoo machines.

Hate to say it, but those that wait and pay the price for the real thing do have bragging rights. I'm not advocating snobbery, but it is kind of implied. Those of us that cherish the "label" do have a reason to be a bit smug--that is why we spend our money on whatever it is we decide will make us happy...why buy luxury items if the function of all is the same? A bag is a bag, shoes are shoes, an APV is an APV.

Face it, we love exclusivity. That is what makes us modern humans--vanity.

It is not inherently bad, just a fact. This thread proves it. We (as the exclusive "GG club") look down upon the knock-offs. I do. But it is not because the devices are dangerous (the main reason humans dislike knock-offs/sub-par replicas) but because we cherish the exclusivity and craftsmanship. It gives us a reason to smile. A reason to feel good. A reason to care.

TL;DR...It will always happen, and we make our choices for our reasons and our reasons only.
 
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