just saw foodmatters documentary on netflix...

[vapero]

to be honest i just say the first hour, I'll watch the rest today but..

but wow there are a lot of similarities between the demoralization of vitamins and the false propaganda on ecigs, it's just amazing...

the way that vitamins and natural supplements do wonders for us that medicine can't but false rumors on that too much kills you (but in reality too little does too little)

just a fact vitamins have "alledgedly" killed 10 persons in 23 years so they are bad and you are better with meds that their side-effects (from rightly prescribed, not abused drugs have killed more than 2,500,000 in the same amount of years (just in the US)

vitamin research has been buried on false data and rumors by farma.

sounds familiar????

 

[Susan~S]

the way that vitamins and natural supplements do wonders for us that medicine can't but false rumors on that too much kills you (but in reality too little does too little)

Too little can do "too little" and "too much" can be harmful (and a waste of money) and upset the ideal balance of these minerals and vitamins in your body.

In the end, you are still better off getting your vitamins and minerals from a lot of good fresh vegetables and a healthy diet. Supplement with vitamins and minerals when you can't do the former.

 

[WattWick]

There are highly educated people who are paid very well to say things like "This research is inconclusive" on behalf of major companies. Either to ensure that a product stays on the market or to stop a competing product from entering the market.

These people are called lobbyists.

 

[bacc.vap]

Yes, it's very similar. The "right" people can't make money on it, so they falsely demonize it, and don't mind how many are hurt/killled by their actions. Chantix has killed many, but is good, safe and effective. Ecigs, never killed anyone, but is bad, think of the children.

 

[yzer]

From:

2012 Annual Report of the American Association of Poison
Control Centers’ National Poison Data System (NPDS):
30th Annual Report

E-liquid does not make the top 25 list of substances that poison people in the USA. Sorry, vitamins and food supplements, homeopathic medicines, etc. are on the list. Top of the list goes to pain relievers.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

Moderation is key for most things in life. Except for buying shiny new things. Never enough shiny things to buy....

 

[wheezal]

i wave my bacon in front of the oranges at a grocery store. that adds loads of vitamins once i fry the bacon up at home right?

 

[alisa1970]

Yes, I have to take a special "activated" form of B vitamins and Folate, because due to a genetic polymorphism, my body doesn't break down those vitamins efficiently enough for use in the body. These are critical chemical reactions which affect everything from liver function to circulation, to brain activity. These vitamins are critical to my overall health, and are currently available over the counter. The FDA is wanting to regulate these vitamins so that they are only available as prescription.

There is already one needing a prescription to get, and that is considered a "medical food" called Deplin. This can cost people up to $500 per month WITH insurance. Plus there are all kinds of added chemicals and colorings which people with my genetic "problem" don't process well. The very same OTC products without all the fillers and additives cost me roughly $50 month. With regulation, that cost would skyrocket, or the only available product would be Deplin.

Very similar situation to the FDA/ecig issue, but this one actually affects people's real health. It's not like I can choose to not take these vitamins...

 

[Stringplucker]

i wave my bacon in front of the oranges at a grocery store. that adds loads of vitamins once i fry the bacon up at home right?

MMMMmmmm.....Bacon.

 

[Recycled Roadkill]

The wife has been trying to get me to take vitamins for years. Now I know what she's been up to.

 

[rothenbj]

Now I have a question about that thing we can't talk about. To get it in Cali, you need a note from your doctor and one of these issues-

"A serious medical condition, as defined by SB 420, is any of the following: AIDS; anorexia; arthritis; cachexia (wasting syndrome); cancer; chronic pain; glaucoma; migraine; persistent muscle spasms (i.e., spasms associated with multiple sclerosis); seizures (i.e., epileptic seizures); severe nausea; any other chronic or persistent medical symptom that either substantially limits a person’s ability to conduct one or more of major life activities as defined in the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, or if not alleviated, may cause serious harm to the person’s safety, physical, or mental health."

How in the world is the FDA not climbing all over this? With the way they've attacked e cigs for "treating nicotine addiction" (ahem), you'd think they'd be up in arms with unproven claims, no long term studies, safe and effective, we just don't knows and what about the childrens. I am totally baffled by this lack of oversight.

 

[NorthOfAtlanta]

Now I have a question about that thing we can't talk about. To get it in Cali, you need a note from your doctor and one of these issues-

"A serious medical condition, as defined by SB 420, is any of the following: AIDS; anorexia; arthritis; cachexia (wasting syndrome); cancer; chronic pain; glaucoma; migraine; persistent muscle spasms (i.e., spasms associated with multiple sclerosis); seizures (i.e., epileptic seizures); severe nausea; any other chronic or persistent medical symptom that either substantially limits a person’s ability to conduct one or more of major life activities as defined in the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, or if not alleviated, may cause serious harm to the person’s safety, physical, or mental health."

How in the world is the FDA not climbing all over this? With the way they've attacked e cigs for "treating nicotine addiction" (ahem), you'd think they'd be up in arms with unproven claims, no long term studies, safe and effective, we just don't knows and what about the childrens. I am totally baffled by this lack of oversight.

As soon as it starts interfering with BPs drug income they will be, BG likes it for the tax income.

 

[p7willm]

The federal government has taken a stand on that which must not be mentioned and it is that it is an illegal narcotic with no medical value. It is against federal law to sell or posses it. Since it is already illegal there is nothing for the FDA to do.

Just cause California says you can use it it is still illegal in the united states and if the federal government wanted to they could arrest anyone who worked in the dispensaries and all their customers.

 

[Uma]

Yes, I have to take a special "activated" form of B vitamins and Folate, because due to a genetic polymorphism, my body doesn't break down those vitamins efficiently enough for use in the body. These are critical chemical reactions which affect everything from liver function to circulation, to brain activity. These vitamins are critical to my overall health, and are currently available over the counter. The FDA is wanting to regulate these vitamins so that they are only available as prescription.

There is already one needing a prescription to get, and that is considered a "medical food" called Deplin. This can cost people up to $500 per month WITH insurance. Plus there are all kinds of added chemicals and colorings which people with my genetic "problem" don't process well. The very same OTC products without all the fillers and additives cost me roughly $50 month. With regulation, that cost would skyrocket, or the only available product would be Deplin.

Very similar situation to the FDA/ecig issue, but this one actually affects people's real health. It's not like I can choose to not take these vitamins...

Interestingly enough, lack of niacin creates a long list of symptoms that The vitamin B family can cure or alleviate. The plant that has the highest level of vitamin B's? Tobacco. Google vitamins found in tobacco plants. Crazy. Good thing we don't have to do anything except take a BP pill for each symptom eh.

 

[Uma]

As soon as it starts interfering with BPs drug income they will be, BG likes it for the tax income.

I read an article today that disclosed BP being the largest lobbyists against it. It didn't surprise me one bit.
Taxing. I saw a news blurb on The Lip sharing how they can't use banks and the IRS refuses to take their tax money without banks so the IRS suggests they ask someone else to use their bank. They're doomed if they don't pay their taxes and if they launder their money through helpful channels.

 

[Racehorse]

In the end, you are still better off getting your vitamins and minerals from a lot of good fresh vegetables and a healthy diet. Supplement with vitamins and minerals when you can't do the former.

Gotta agree with you, Susan.

There's been a tremendous amount of "sell, sell, sell" mentality with the supplements industry......which I'm sure is in the billions of dollars in sales and profits. If I know I'm not eating right I keep some supplements around, but for the most part, I'm one of those "I cook from scratch" all my meals, and I combine food in ways that boosts my vitamin/mineral levels.

I really don't feel I have to take a lot of supplements, so I don't, although I used to until I figured out that it's a lot of money down the drain.

I think a "healthy diet" is elusive for a lot of people in the fast paced world, and perhaps they SHOULD include a few supplements, but I don't think everyone needs them. Nutrition is one of my "hobbies" so I've done a lot of research over the last decade and came to the conclusion that it's best to get your sustenance from FOOD.

 

[Racehorse]

Top of the list goes to pain relievers.

That doesn't surprise me at all. Of course the idea that just because something is over-the-counter-means-its-okay is something a lot of my friends do.

Indeed moderation is the key.

(I think that might pertain to eliquid as well?......15-20ml a day seems like a lot to me, for instance, and I have a friend who is in that area of consumption.)

The thing with vitamins is that there is so little long term large studies on some of the stuff I see advertised...it's snake oil in a sense, and can't be proven. If somebody thinks it makes them feel better (and they don't have a genetic or health problem that requires supplementation) then I say go for it. Otherwise, there is a lot of false claims related to some of this stuff.

I have a friend right now who lives the healthiest life you can imagine, I mean picture perfect, organic everything, exercises, works out, takes all the supplements.....and he just got diagnosed with throat cancer. He hasn't smoked for over 20 years. There is no way to know why he has this.

As the years go by I think we will find out, more and more, that everything is genetic. That's my theory anyway.,

 

[DC2]

As the years go by I think we will find out, more and more, that everything is genetic. That's my theory anyway.,

While I don't necessarily disagree, I'm sure it's more complicated than that.
And I have no doubt that the whole Nature vs. Nurture thing presented a false dichotomy.

I think it's pretty much both, to one degree or another.

But I have to lean more towards genetics than environmental factors for many things.
Although environmental factors may also be more prevalent for other things.

In the end, the answer is to eat right, exercise, avoid bad things, and hope for the best.
(Assuming of course that we KNOW what it really means to eat right, which is a whole 'nuther thread for sure)

Unless of course you want the government evaluating you based on your genetics and decide what is best for society, not your personal health.
Or, of course, unless you want the government deciding what you put in your body.

 

[Racehorse]

Here's a new one, and bad news: gal in my town was hospitalized recently. Guess what it was?

"poisoning" from whatever that stuff is that they put in diet soda. She drinks that stuff like others would drink coffee or tea or whatever during the day.

I had *no* idea you could get aspartame poisoning.

Of course, I don't use that stuff myself but just goes to show...........holy cow right?

Previously, I had thought that was just an idea put forth on the "health foodie sites".......but here I am, living in a small town, and small medical hospital, they suspected this and then had to send person to bigger hospital in next bigger metro area and sure 'nough, aspertame poisoning.

 

[vapero]

some time ago I did believe what I heard; that a lot of vitamins are bad, medicine is the way to go etc etc etc...
but now that I'm vaping and see the same type of propaganda against us I can't help to notice a huge correlation and it really makes me wonder what really is right in a sense.
big pharma and tobacco are going against us in every way, and almost everyone is on their side due to misinformation. and see the exact same thing on this topic.

don't get me wrong I'm not a vegan organic perfectly fitted human. I'm quite the opposite, I love my meat almost raw and greasy every day but I think I'm up for a change.

to dive on much deeper waters have anyone here read Ray Kurzweil's "live long enough to live forever"?
he takes the vitamins, minerals and supplements to an extreme and has done wonders to him. and he's no quack in any way