KICK and/or FUSE - Necessity or Unnecessary Bulk???

[tanveeradil]

Hi all,
I am new to mechanical vaporizers having been a student of vv/vw till late. My question is - Is a Fuse or Kick really necessary for mechs today? i have read a lot of mixed reviews about their use but most are from the time period when the max discharge rate of batteries were not as high as the current batteries we use.
I mean I know if you are persistently causing a short by using an unspecified battery with poor discharge rate or non-high drain(non-IMR) on low ohms then a Fuse will help and so will the Kick. But with the use of recent reliable batteries with 20A or 25A or 30A or even 35A discharge limit, is it really going to help with any advantage using them?If self protection is really a concern Ill start by saying that Ive never heard a Sony VTC or an AW or an Efest blast on someones face ever. And if the battery happens to PITA in the face of such an event, I would rather buy a new 13 USD high drain battery than buying a new 45 USD Kick since the old 45 USD Kick got kicked out because of a short.

Also using a Fuse (Eg - Vaporsafe v1 and v2 or Shortstop) will protect in the event of a short but how necessary is it lets say with Sony VTC5 or AW ones should be considered. And practically should we or shouldnt we use a Fuse with the current reliable batch of 18350, 18500 and 18650 batteries is also something we need to look into.

Using a Kick (Evolv v1 and v2 or Sigelei v1 and v2 or Smoktech) on Mechs just doesnt fit my mind and I fail to understand the logic? You buy a 150+ USD Mod, add a 95+ USD atty for quality and put a reliable battery (13 USD) inside. The reason you are doing this is because you want total control over ur usage and high wattage which VV/VW devices wont provide apart from building low ohm coils. Using a kick does add the protection but you are basically putting in another 45 USD device (if you are using Evolv Kick 2) to convert it into a VV/VW device(with 15W limit) which precisely defies the very logic why you purchased the more expensive MechanicalSetup(Mod+Atty) over the less expensive VV/VW device. you might as well buy a DNA 20 or 30 or Sigelei 20W which will give you 5W (20W in Sigelei vs 15W in Evolv Kick 2) more space to play with apart from being less than half the price (83 USD from fasttech) plus the added electronic features like measuring resistance and voltages and wattages. Another disadvantage of a Kick is that it adds bulk to the device by adding 1.5-2cm to the length of the device and some mechanical devices are not compatible either!!!

These are my conclusions but I am one of an open mind and if someone can tell me a logic behind using a Kick or a Fuse, then I will definitely use it if there are advantages more important to address than the disadvantages I mentioned.

I still believe using a FUSE might still have its own advantages as the disadvantages are not much (It is cheap, and only adds 2-3 mm to the length of battery) but using a KICK, I still dont understand due to reasons mentioned above and I want someone to change my mind.

So question 1) Should we use a Fuse with safe chemistry batteries? if so why?
question 2) Should we use a Kick with safe chemistry batteries? if so why?

Regards and cheers

 

[tj99959]

All depends on what you want to do (or problem you want to solve)

I have a Kick-2 in my nemmy with a Kayfun on it because this "Apple" really-really sucks on a fresh battery.

 

[Completely Average]

Using a Kick (Evolv v1 and v2 or Sigelei v1 and v2 or Smoktech) on Mechs just doesnt fit my mind and I fail to understand the logic? You buy a 150+ USD Mod, add a 95+ USD atty for quality and put a reliable battery (13 USD) inside.

Take your unregulated mech. Put on a 2.5ohm coil and use it until the battery charge is down to the normal 3.7V, and you'll find you're vaping at a very disappointing 5.8 watts. You won't get much in the way of vapor production with only a 5-6 watt vape.

The reason you are doing this is because you want total control over ur usage and high wattage which VV/VW devices wont provide apart from building low ohm coils.

No, that is the reason YOU are doing this.

I am using a mech because it's smaller and more reliable than using a VV/VW mod, plus I have the OPTION of using it as either a voltage regulated or unregulated device, depending on what I want at that moment.

Using a kick does add the protection but you are basically putting in another 45 USD device (if you are using Evolv Kick 2) to convert it into a VV/VW device(with 15W limit) which precisely defies the very logic why you purchased the more expensive MechanicalSetup(Mod+Atty) over the less expensive VV/VW device.

And what do you think makes more financial sense....

1 mech mod + 1 Kick2
1 mech mod + 1 VV/VW mod

Which do you think makes more common sense...

Having a mech mod and a Kick to use when you want.
Having a mech mod and a VV/VW mod to use when you want.
Having to give up your VV/VW mod and all the advantages it gives you just because you bought a mech?

you might as well buy a DNA 20 or 30 or Sigelei 20W which will give you 5W (20W in Sigelei vs 15W in Evolv Kick 2) more space to play with apart from being less than half the price (83 USD from Fasttech) plus the added electronic features like measuring resistance and voltages and wattages.

My Nemesis and Kick2 combined cost me less than $90. Care to name me the DNA type device that is cheaper?

Another disadvantage of a Kick is that it adds bulk to the device by adding 1.5-2cm to the length of the device and some mechanical devices are not compatible either!!!

And the obvious disadvantage of not having a Kick is not having a CHOICE in regulated or unregulated vaping.

These are my conclusions but I am one of an open mind

No, you're not open minded. Open minded people can see the options that they may not use themselves. You only see what you want to see. You only see the uses and disadvantages that apply to you in your own self-created little prison.

If you want to see what it's really like to be open minded then accept the fact that my wife uses a mech mod with a Kick and iClear 30S tank with retail coils, and there is nothing at all wrong with that and she's using it exactly how she wants and exactly how it was designed to be used, and there is nothing at all you can say, think, or feel that makes anything she's doing wrong in any way.

Once you can wrap your head around that belief then you can begin to claim you are open minded.

 

[zmbgzus]

Damn! @Completely Average, I couldn't have said it better myself!

Nothing is absolutely necessary. Assess your vaping style, research, run the numbers.

 

[tanveeradil]

Take your unregulated mech. Put on a 2.5ohm coil and use it until the battery charge is down to the normal 3.7V, and you'll find you're vaping at a very disappointing 5.8 watts. You won't get much in the way of vapor production with only a 5-6 watt vape.



No, that is the reason YOU are doing this.

I am using a mech because it's smaller and more reliable than using a VV/VW mod, plus I have the OPTION of using it as either a voltage regulated or unregulated device, depending on what I want at that moment.




And what do you think makes more financial sense....

1 mech mod + 1 Kick2
1 mech mod + 1 VV/VW mod

Which do you think makes more common sense...

Having a mech mod and a Kick to use when you want.
Having a mech mod and a VV/VW mod to use when you want.
Having to give up your VV/VW mod and all the advantages it gives you just because you bought a mech?




My Nemesis and Kick2 combined cost me less than $90. Care to name me the DNA type device that is cheaper?




And the obvious disadvantage of not having a Kick is not having a CHOICE in regulated or unregulated vaping.



No, you're not open minded. Open minded people can see the options that they may not use themselves. You only see what you want to see. You only see the uses and disadvantages that apply to you in your own self-created little prison.

If you want to see what it's really like to be open minded then accept the fact that my wife uses a mech mod with a Kick and iClear 30S tank with retail coils, and there is nothing at all wrong with that and she's using it exactly how she wants and exactly how it was designed to be used, and there is nothing at all you can say, think, or feel that makes anything she's doing wrong in any way.

Once you can wrap your head around that belief then you can begin to claim you are open minded.

Uncle chill, I said Im new to mechs in my first sentence and what I wrote were my first impressions about the concept of kick and fuse. And I believe I am learning. If i lived in my self created prison, I would continue to live in it and not come to this forum for advice.

Like I learnt from you that you need a Kick since you vape on a mech at 2.5 ohm while Ive never gone more than 1.8 even on VV/VW devices.
Apart from the unneccessry opinion about me in your last paragraph, your feedback and views were really helpful not just to me but many others.

Thanks

 

[DeepSix]

The main reason I purchased a kick 2 was to prevent over draining the battery. These batteries do not like to be discharged below a certain level, and the kick 2 tells you when you are hitting the lower limit. Some will argue that they can tell when the battery needs to be changed by the vape quality, but I prefer the safety cushion the kick 2 provides.

 

[Revelene]

Running a fuse is nice to prevent damage to battery/mod/self... downside is that most fuses amp limits are too small for sub-ohm. Running a kick is nice to keep a more consistent vape, longer battery life, and act as a fuse as well... downside is again amp limits that are too small for sub-ohm. Running unprotected allows you to utilize sub-ohm (dependent on battery amp limit)... downside is battery life (when sub-ohm) and inconsistent vape (gets weaker as battery drains).

I mostly run unprotected mechs but between the fuse and kick... I would definitely kick because if you are going to use a fuse and be limited in amps... you might as well have a consistent vape too.

 

[Smittymc]

Great info for anyone curious about mech's and a kick. I myself started with eGo's then moved to a SVD and then to a Nemesis with a kick and I bought my kick after I began making my own coils and wanted a more constant hit.

 

[edyle]

I ordered a mech that can take a kick with my regular sized 650 batteries.
And I ordered a kick.

If I don't want to use the kick I could take it out; (hardly likely... unless I'm messing around with mesh wick).
Or if the kick goes dead at least I can still vape mech mode till I replace kick.

By the sounds of things, lots of people don't use kicks or fuses and they use high quality batteries.
I don't want to worry much about batteries, and I'm not interested in high power vaping off a 2 inch battery - I got a 120v ac power outlet for that if I want to try it.

For the racecar driver, some things are necessary and some things are not.
For the family car driver, other things are necessary and other things are not.

===edit===
oh forgot to say: the purpose of my mech is ultimately for backup.
failsafe mod; adjustable center pin; bottom switch replaceable;

 

[Revelene]

...I got a 120v ac power outlet for that if I want to try it...

8-o good luck with that haha

 

[edyle]

8-o good luck with that haha

Heck I'm vaping off the wall right now on a 7 volt dc with no battery.
Universal dc power supply. Hooked up on my vamo5S control head.

 

[Revelene]

Heck I'm vaping off the wall right now on a 7 volt dc with no battery.
Universal dc power supply. Hooked up on my vamo5S control head.

Oh, I thought you were going to do something crazy like rig up a 120 volt vape... LOL