Killa Vanilla... What is it!!!

[Leothwyn]

The butterscotch wasn't the right choice. It is sweet, creamy and buttery, but not a flavor that's in Killa Vanilla (maybe a drop or 2 to accentuate, but certainly not one of the main flavors).

Maybe you're satisfied with the butterscotch... if not (TPA butterscotch never did much for me) then check out the Nature's Flavors BS. It's excellent. You have to buy an ounce of it from them, but Vaperite sells some of their flavors in 6ml sizes. Unfortunately, VR seems to be out of BS right now. Hopefully they'll get it back soon.

I doubt it will get you any closer to KV, but if you like BS, it's one to add to the list of things to try IMO.

 

[Genericname]

One thing I forgot to mention is KV steeps quite a bit. In fact for me I like the way it tastes before it steeps, after about a week goes by I found it gets a little perfumey for me. This is strange to me because its usually the other way around, where something is too perfumey and after steeping it mellows out. I would end up watering mine down with some VG to get the original flavor back.... So in the logic that there are some flavors that steep and others that do not, there is most certainly something in there that steeps, not much of a help, but its something!

 

[Michaelblackwood]

Wow! Killa vannilla must be the cocacola of vaping - no one knows the recipie! I havent been vaping that long and have tried about 5 different flavors and most were like "meh". But KV- Id order a liter of it if i could.

 

[Genericname]

http://www.ecigexpress.com/e-liquid...73_84/high-caliber-bulk-e-liquid-450ml-p-1261

Here ya go, buy two of these... And send me some!

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[Michaelblackwood]

oh wow thats the same stuff isint it!!! Time to start saving!

 

[bah-num]

:::UPDATE:::

I have good news and bad news.

The Good News: I have discovered the "mystery vanilla" flavor that is the bulk of Killa Vanilla. I can't say I've cracked the recipe yet, as I haven't... I'm sure there's a bit more going on in KV than this one flavoring. As promised, I'm not going to hold this information back, so here it is: The vanilla flavoring you want if you want to make your own Killa Vanilla is TPA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream. It is absolutely delicious!

The Bad News: I will not continue to pursue this endeavor to re-create Killa Vanilla any longer. Furthermore, I will not be purchasing or vaping Killa Vanilla at all! This makes me a very very very sad panda Why, you ask? Because the reason Killa Vanilla and the TPA Vanilla Bean Ice Cream are so damn delicious is because it contains a compound called 2,3-Pentanedione (Acetyl Propionyl). This is a substitute for diacetyl, and like diacetyl it is meant to make a flavor buttery/custardy. Acetyl Propionyl is so similar to diacetyl that it is believed to have the same inhalation risks (which are extremely severe). I, for one, do not want to end up on a waiting list for a lung transplant... isn't that primarily why we quit smoking analogs in the first place?

Why diacetyl and its "replacements" are a vaping no-no

So, there you have it. A definitive, if not depressing, end to the mystery. Though the purpose of this thread was to try and recreate Killa Vanilla, the original question posed in the thread title itself has been answered:

Q: Killa Vanilla... What is it!!!

A: Dangerously Delicious.

Vape safe folks!

 

[HawkeyeFLA]

:::UPDATE:::

I have good news and bad news.
*snip*


Why diacetyl and its "replacements" are a vaping no-no

So, there you have it. A definitive, if not depressing, end to the mystery. Though the purpose of this thread was to try and recreate Killa Vanilla, the original question posed in the thread title itself has been answered:

Q: Killa Vanilla... What is it!!!

A: Dangerously Delicious.

Vape safe folks!

Regarding this ingredient, if you think it is used ... sending an email to high caliber asking if they use an ingredient that many consider unsafe ... their reply would be interesting yes?

 

[Iffy]

:::UPDATE:::

I have good news and bad news.

Thanx for the update! And to think that VBIC was on my 'wish list'...

 

[Genericname]

Yay, I'll have to put in an order. Unfortunately I just got laid off so I'm not going to go crazy trying to match kv, but I'll certainly comment on my findings.

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[CharlieGirl]

Well then the name is appropriate, yes? Killa Vanilla?

 

[bah-num]

Regarding this ingredient, if you think it is used ... sending an email to high caliber asking if they use an ingredient that many consider unsafe ... their reply would be interesting yes?

Unless their response was "OMG! We had no idea, we will endeavor to find some other way to make this flavor without any of those compounds." I won't be surprised. They'll either brush it off, claim trade secrets to not even comment about it or not respond all together. Unfortunately, you can't get that custardy/buttery note to a flavor without using one of these compounds, so it is extremely unlikely that we will ever get a flavor like KV that is safe to vape.

Yay, I'll have to put in an order. Unfortunately I just got laid off so I'm not going to go crazy trying to match kv, but I'll certainly comment on my findings.

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Sorry to hear about the layoff... that sucks!

Vape safe!

Well then the name is appropriate, yes? Killa Vanilla?

HA! I don't know how I missed that... must have been the crushing depression brought on by the realisation that my favorite flavor is not safe to vape. Yes, the name is extremely appropriate.

Vape safe folks!

 

[Seeker]

Thanks for the info. In the tables at the bottom of the OSHA findings it shows flavorings which MAY contain diacetyl. Scary! Not only was it buttery and creamy flavors, but almost every flavor I've vaped.

 

[stonedkirby]

Wait. So its legal to sell with this ingredient present? Don't they have to offer a warning if such an ingredient is being used?

 

[CharlieGirl]

Wait. So its legal to sell with this ingredient present? Don't they have to offer a warning if such an ingredient is being used?

It's legal because flavorings are made to digest, to add to our food, and they are safe for that. We as vapers have chosen to inhale them, and that is the wild-card. Nobody knows how safe or unsafe that is, with the few exceptions that are known because they presented problems already in other industries. For example, in the companies that added the butter flavors to movie popcorn, many of the workers became very ill from inhaling clouds the stuff. Thus the warnings for us about inhaling diatecyl and other ingredients that are present or will metabolize into something dangerous afterwards. Truth is we don't know, so there is no way to warn about it! (Although most reputable dealers either won't carry the known problem causers or will at least offer a warning and let you choose.) Personally, after sucking on analogs for 45 years, am I gonna stress about it? Nope. I keep my selection broad anyway, so no one thing is going to be a worry unless I vape it day after day. I heard there is diatecyl in cigs anyway. Who knows. I still am sure vaping has to be magnitudes better than smoking! Everyone I know feels better vaping. Can I prove it? No, but some things speak for themselves.

 

[Woody-GC]

It's legal because flavorings are made to digest, to add to our food, and they are safe for that. We as vapers have chosen to inhale them, and that is the wild-card. Nobody knows how safe or unsafe that is, with the few exceptions that are known because they presented problems already in other industries. For example, in the companies that added the butter flavors to movie popcorn, many of the workers became very ill from inhaling clouds the stuff. Thus the warnings for us about inhaling diatecyl and other ingredients that are present or will metabolize into something dangerous afterwards. Truth is we don't know, so there is no way to warn about it! (Although most reputable dealers either won't carry the known problem causers or will at least offer a warning and let you choose.) Personally, after sucking on analogs for 45 years, am I gonna stress about it? Nope. I keep my selection broad anyway, so no one thing is going to be a worry unless I vape it day after day. I heard there is diatecyl in cigs anyway. Who knows. I still am sure vaping has to be magnitudes better than smoking! Everyone I know feels better vaping. Can I prove it? No, but some things speak for themselves.

Very well put CharlieGirl! I just can't imagine much of anything worse(short of known poisons) that I can do to my body after 40+ years of analogs either!

 

[frequentj]

Did you see this?

http://www.ecigexpress.com/e-liquid...la-10ml-by-high-caliber-select-strength-p-618

Edit: Ah, my bad, I thought that was a concentrated flavor, but I see it's just ejuice.

 

[favor1]

I'm detecting some Vanilla and Cream in that mix. Pretty strong taste that one, not a big fan though. I'm mr. fruit

 

[favor1]

Regarding 2,3-Pentanedione:

Published reports on the toxicity of 2,3-pentanedione are currently only in abstract form but suggest that in rats 2,3-pentanedione causes airway epithelial damage similar to that produced by diacetyl (Hubbs et al, 2010a; Morgan et al, 2010). Preliminary data also suggest that, under certain conditions, both diacetyl and 2,3-pentanedione can cause changes in the central nervous system (Hubbs et al, 2010b). Additional alpha-diketones of interest include, but are not limited to, those used in food manufacturing such as 2,3-hexanedione and 2,3-heptanedione (Day et al,2011).