KR808D1 Style Ecigs at Great Prices!

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TypeOholic

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I don't mean to knock your business but I have seen multiple posts on this forum where you state how good your prices are. To be honest, your prices are not good at all. You have a single battery kit that comes with 2 cartomizers and a usb charger for $24.99. And a 2 battery kit with 5 cartomizers, a usb charger and wall adapter for $34.99. In comparison, other vendors have 2 battery full Ego or Riva kits in this price range.

Your site is deceptive and provides false information about your products and ecigs in general. The information on your home page describes 3 piece ecigs as "Old Technology" and says in big bold letters "DO NOT buy". In all fairness, it is your site that people should stay away from. You are selling a standard product and saying it is superior to most others out there when in fact it is exactly the same as comparable 808 units. And, you are charging a premium price on top of that.

You are targeting people who do not know better rather than trying to help people understand what ecigs are all about. In my opinion, that is only going to turn people off from ecigs because if they buy from you they will get a product with short battery life that needs frequent charging (not mentioned on your site), needs additional cartomizers (not mentioned on your site), includes only 16 MG tobacco flavor (that many people will not like) and they have been told that your product is the best that is available (not true). This will leave them unsatisfied with the product and unwilling to explore better options because they have already wasted too much money.

I understand you are trying to make money by having a website and selling a product. But it appears to me that you are either uninformed about what you are selling or you are well informed and you are providing bad information to the public to make a quick buck. Your site is like the mall kiosks in many ways. You are selling a product that can be bought at other sites for less and you are marketing it in such a way that suggests that people come back to you for additional supplies, if they come back at all.

If you want to continue that sales model, you are in the wrong place. This forum is about informing people of their options and supporting them in having the best ecig experience possible. If you want to help the ecig community, and have a valid online ecig store, you should expand your product line and give people the proper information to be successful. Successful customers are return customers which would be more lucrative for you in the long run anyway.

At the very least, don't use terms like "Rock bottom prices" and "Best quality, Best value" because most people around here know better. And you should too.
 

cswjr

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Negative or positive feedback is not a bad thing. If you look at some of the bigs, Greensmoke, Puresmoke, Vapor King, Vapor 4 Life, etc... our prices are good - very good. Our fault may be we are targeting the basic user, someone who may be considering moving to an ecig for the first time from traditional cigarettes. The majority of traditional smokers (our opinion) are not looking to drip liquid into cartrdiges, maintain atomizers, etc... A modern two piece design with disposable cartridges provides nearly one pack of smoking from one Cartridge/Cartomizer and battery charge. This system allows for a simple e smoking experience for most users. Are there advanced users who want Large batteries, refillable cartridges, extensive juice offering - of course there is and they have many places to purchase their products. We seem to have hit a nerve with people who prefer 3 piece desgins, refilling and modding - we will find a way to avoid this nerve, we do not want to make people unhappy. We are just trying to market squarely at our target. Apples to apples, compare our product to like product, we stand behind it, they are excellent quality and very well priced. Take your a typical smoker, they have a cigarette in one hand and lighter in another. Put the cig in mouth, flick lighter, smoke it, toss it when done. The two piece design is the closest to the simplicity of traditional smoking. Our site gives people honest information, there are literally 1000's of sites out there and people have that many choices who to give their business to. Think about what the FDA, US Government and Local Governments are doing, they do not want to see ecigs marketed toward younger people/kids. These fruity/candy flavors are going to sink the boat faster then anything. The State of California (and many other states) are sending letters to websites marketing flavors, for not having warnings, making health claims, etc... - this is what needs to be patrolled, or everyone is going to lose out. We for sure would not sell these products if the people who bought them said they sucked and returned them, you cannot run a business like this.
 

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If you look at some of the bigs, Greensmoke, Puresmoke, Vapor King, Vapor 4 Life, etc... our prices are good - very good.
I didn't say your prices were the worst out there. There are obviously companies that are just blatantly preying on people who don't know better. And they aren't always bigger because they have better product. They are bigger because someone fronted a bunch of money for marketing. Just because they are bigger, does not mean better.

Our fault may be we are targeting the basic user, someone who may be considering moving to an ecig for the first time from traditional cigarettes. The majority of traditional smokers (our opinion) are not looking to drip liquid into cartrdiges, maintain atomizers, etc...
Agreed. A 2 piece PV is probably the best option for someone just starting out. I myself prefer 2 piece over 3 piece. But, your site clearly says "if they say ATOMIZER - DO NOT BUY". I copied and pasted that directly from your home page. You are telling people that a 3 piece ecig is bad or that there is something wrong with it. That is just not true on any level.

A modern two piece design with disposable cartridges provides nearly one pack of smoking from one Cartridge/Cartomizer and battery charge.
C'mon. We all know this is just not true.

Are there advanced users who want Large batteries, refillable cartridges, extensive juice offering - of course there is and they have many places to purchase their products.
Are there new users that want a battery that will last an entire work day? Would new users refill cartomizers if they know it was a cheaper option? Yes and Yes. And luckily, we do have a lot of places to purchase stuff.

We seem to have hit a nerve with people who prefer 3 piece desgins, refilling and modding - we will find a way to avoid this nerve, we do not want to make people unhappy. We are just trying to market squarely at our target.
I don't care about 3 piece designs, refilling or modding. The nerve that you have hit with me is the fact that you are misrepresenting your own product and more so, all ecigs. In this case, your "target" is people who do not know that your information is wrong.

Apples to apples, compare our product to like product, we stand behind it, they are excellent quality and very well priced.
I'm not saying your product is bad or inferior. I am saying however that it is not superior to other ecigs as you suggest that it is. I own and use 4 808 batteries and I like them. I am sure that your batteries are just as good as any that I own. I am also sure that I could buy 808 batteries from 10 different vendors and most or all of them would be just as good.

Our site gives people honest information,
No, it doesn't

Think about what the FDA, US Government and Local Governments are doing, they do not want to see ecigs marketed toward younger people/kids. These fruity/candy flavors are going to sink the boat faster then anything.
If people have accurate information about ecigs they are less likely to demonize them. I agree that the flavor and kids issue is big. But, people who understand the ecig properly are less likely to consider that an issue. This is why providing inaccurate information is bad for all of us.

We for sure would not sell these products if the people who bought them said they sucked and returned them, you cannot run a business like this.
The majority of people that would buy from you, or your "target" don't know the difference. If they don't like it, they probably just go back to smoking. How many people from this forum have bough kits from you?

I would have no issue with your site if you just gave honest details about the benefits of your product and didn't slam other ecigs. You can point out why your product is more convenient, easier to use or whatever benefits you feel it provides. But to say that your hardware is superior to others or that people should not buy any other ecig is just not right. Additionally, if you do decide to expand and sell other products, the information that is currently on your site makes all new products that you may offer seem bad. If you were to start selling Ego kits, how fast would the information on your site change?
 

cswjr

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We dont mind the back and forth, open communication is good. Our products are described in detail, much better then most other sites. We may be able to better describe the difference between 3pc/2pc, we will work on this. We do not mean to say 3pc is bad, junk, etc... We want to convery for most first time users, they likely will find a 2pc design the easiest to use out of the box. The government issues are very real, they have nothing to do with 2pc/3pc, info good or bad. Selling jugs of flavored nicotine juice and all that goes with it, is a very slippery slope. Flavored cigarettes were banned, now they have their sites set on kiddie flavors for ecigs. The whole ecig is hanging by a thread in the USA, many other countries have already killed it. Think about where energy should be focussed.
 
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