Letter to e-Juice Vendors

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milazinha

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Greetings!

Nice to meet you, dear vendor. I’m a 35 year-old American girl living in Australia. I don’t have extensive experience in the world of vaping, but my semi-new journey has been intense. I’ve been reading extensively throughout the ECF and other sites, absorbing knowledge like a sponge. I’ve been noticing how people here behave and what makes them tick. I’ve been getting a feeling for the community in general. I also work in Advertising, so I know a thing or two about presenting a business in the best light.

I imagine that I’m talking to a small business owner; you have a small room to mix your juices, or perhaps a nice little lab. You take pride on your creations, and you find it superior to most of the stuff out there; you guys create good quality juices with unique flavours, and you want people to love them. Few people work with you, and you have limited resources to make yourself known.

There are a few lines of business advice I’d like to offer you. Ideas that, I think, would make your old customers happier, bring you new ones, and make you more profitable. Win-win for everyone! Take what fits, and disregard the rest.
First of all – and the most important thing I will say in this whole letter: it is in your very best interest to get vapers to try your juices. I hear that in SoCal there are B&M stores where people can try juices. Imagine that!!! In my world, the internet is the only way to research or buy juices. Many of us actually have to blindly buy whole bottles of something in order to try it. Now, with many dozens – if not hundreds – of juice vendors to choose from, it might take a while until a vaper goes to your site to try you next. (If he gets there at all.) So when he finally buys from you, you better be damn sure to get his attention!

It baffles me to no end when I buy from a vendor (sometimes good cash) and I don’t get one single sample, one little handwritten ‘thank you’ note. My immediate thoughts are, “How cold!”, “How thoughtless!”, “They really don’t appreciate my business.” I actually feel personally offended. Now, why that is? The world of vaping is a community; we members want to feel connected with one another, want to help one another, and we want something personal with our vendors too. Remember: to us this is not a cold transaction. This is not grocery shopping. This is supposed to be fun, and personal; we want to find new vendors that we appreciate, and we want them to appreciate us back. Think community, people!

Just think about it. Suppose that you bought a big bag of cheap 1-2ml plastic vials. One of those full of juice will cost you cents to make. You send that sample to someone. That vaper will not only really appreciate the thought, and be happy as a child on Xmas (because, yes, for a lot of us, few things are more exciting than trying a new juice!), he might really like the juice, and come to purchase it. If he purchases it, chances are he will buy other flavours too. He might become a repeat costumer – because of one small sample. He might review it and get others to try it too. So why on earth would you not send him a sample?...

You could send him your very best stuff, to increase the chances that he’ll be hooked. Or you could send him little-known juices, that no one talks about. He just might start that talk, and get a lot of people curious.
Again – I work in Advertising, and I can’t think of a cheaper, most efficient way to get yourself in front of your costumers.

Sometimes I try a sample from a new vendor and dislike the flavour, but if it tastes like high quality juice, I’ll add that vendor to my “to try” list.

Samples are so important that you should look for ways to give them away even when people are not buying from you. From the top of my head: create a Free Sample Day every six months. (or a $2 Sample Day – whatever). Have people send you a few bucks for shipping costs, and send 2-3 samples to everyone. Think of how many customers you might get out of that! And how fun it would be for everyone to participate.

Presentation is also very important. All I know about you, as a not-yet-customer, is what people say and what your website looks like. So make your website look good! There are a couple of vendors that get rave reviews, but their sites are so blah that I don’t care to shop there. Think of kids in a candy store: we don’t want to simply stay at the door and somebody shoves a chocolate bar in our hand. We want to enter, feel the special magic in the air, look at shelve after shelve filled with delicious looking sweets, our eyes shining, enjoying that visit just as much as the candy itself afterwards.

So make your website a pleasure to visit. Yummy photos, clever descriptions, a way to sort things (I like to see the bestsellers first). And encourage your users to write reviews! We love reading them as part of the browsing process. It gives us confidence to buy, and it’s fun, because we can vicariously taste the juice through other’s descriptions… and we’ll have better odds to find juices we’ll love. But only if you keep the bad reviews too. Bad reviews are good!

Love, light and vapour,

Milazinha
 

vjc0628

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you put a lot of weight on free sample's
there are a lot of vendor's that do that

I've had free sample's from both good and bad vendors
I've had a lot that did not give samples

yea its nice but at the end of the day Ill reorder the juice I like free sample or not
whether or not your willing to admit it everyone is basically the same

Ive been in sales and business too
the one thing I learned is many people will tell you this is what they are looking for
all these great Idea's but honestly its not what people buy

People will buy the juice they like the most and at the best price they can get the juice they like
no free sample will change that

On the other hand good customer service will
I would not reorder juice I love If a vendor refuses to fix their own mistakes
or does not answer emails and that type of thing
 
I have to agree with op also some of there descriptions suck
You have to look at the reveiws to have a clue what flavour it is
Also do some smaller cheaper samples if I could buy 10 2ml samples
For the same price as a normal 10ml bottle you stand more of a chance
Finding the juice you have been searching for without breaking the bank
 

lasttango

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yeah, it's just not like that... and your open letter is a fairly common thing on forums like this...

a lot of vendors are people like you or me who dabble... not entrepreneurs...

your advice is better for someone who needs the business... not someone who turns down 90% of their orders due to because their desired business model or their limitations prevents them from expanding... and believe me, the jump from small vendor to large vendor is a large jump... and not everyone can make it... nor does everyone want to make it.

I say let nico-darwinism prevail... good juice will sell... and charlatans will also succeed if they are crafty enough...

and... just a side note... if you wanted to sell a lot of juice, it tends to sell better when you name it something like captain's cornucopia and refuse to tell anyone what's in it ;-)
 

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Hi

While I agree with your general sentiments, you have to be a savvy shopper too. Many times the places using the same "yummy" stock photos on their sites (you will notice they are the same stock photos from one site to the next) that look really, really pretty have some of the lousiest tasting liquid. On the other hand, most of my favorite liquids come from The Vapor Room - which uses no pictures at all to try and "reinforce" their liquids descriptions.
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On the other hand good customer service will
I would not reorder juice I love If a vendor refuses to fix their own mistakes
or does not answer emails and that type of thing

On the flip side of this statement, If the juice is bad,, but they give the best customer service in thr buisness, the best prices and complete with free samples on ev ery order, I will never buy from them again.

Great juice is the key.........
 

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I do not care as much about photos of the liquids as I do a description of the juice. Be as creative as you want but I want to know if there is licorice or cinnamon in there. Or if it is a fruit or bakery vape, or tobacco. A vendor does not have to disclose trade secrets to let the customer know these things. A small sample of another flavor is a nice thank you gift for a purchase. Sampler packs for purchase should be the norm for all juice vendors. Best way to attract and keep a customer. And allowing both positive and negative reviews is also a good idea. Not everyone is going to like everything.
 

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On the flip side of this statement, If the juice is bad,, but they give the best customer service in thr buisness, the best prices and complete with free samples on ev ery order, I will never buy from them again.

Great juice is the key.........

agreed there was one that bent over backwards for me
just didn't like their juice
 

lasttango

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but I want to know if there is licorice or cinnamon in there

What I do is email the vendor and say something like: I know your recipe is some kind of magic secret... but before I buy, I need to know one thing... is there any licorice or cinnamon in there? I ask because those flavors make me sick etc..."

100% success doing this for 4 years...

I always ask about flavourart - not a fan...
 

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I do not care as much about photos of the liquids as I do a description of the juice. Be as creative as you want but I want to know if there is licorice or cinnamon in there. Or if it is a fruit or bakery vape, or tobacco. A vendor does not have to disclose trade secrets to let the customer know these things. A small sample of another flavor is a nice thank you gift for a purchase. Sampler packs for purchase should be the norm for all juice vendors. Best way to attract and keep a customer. And allowing both positive and negative reviews is also a good idea. Not everyone is going to like everything.

I'm one that wants to know basic ingredients also, at least some idea of what is going in the recipe other than a picture and vague description. Sometimes, a vague description is the best way to give insight into a juice, but usually not.

I keep reading here that some vendors delete negative reviews from their website. I think this is deceptive and shady and not the kind of vendor I want to order from, and I'm sure we are not alone in this. Sometimes your critics are your best teachers, especially if they are specific in their evaluation and not just being jerky about it. Most products can benefit from improvement.

Many vendors do give samples already. I love free samples, but don't expect them when ordering from anywhere. I'm fairly new to the community so this is my limited perception, but I think juice vendors, at least the ones with presence here, do show their appreciation for customer repeat business in more than just samples. I've been surprised at how accommodating many vendors are and do not understand why customers expect so much.

Totally agree on the sampler pack idea. Vendors who only offer larger sizes are not helping new vapors out, nor veteran vapors who might want to try a different vendor in search something new. It may mean more overhead to offer a sampler pack, but I think this will even out over time.
 

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WOW, after read the OP's statement and the replies, I'm kinda glad and lucky the local vendor (1 mile away) in my town has a table with flavor tanks and tip covers so the customer can try different flavors, they also mix the juice while you wait and give military discount, which will keep me coming back. I'm still learning about vaping and will most likely buy replacement parts off the net.

For the OP, great letter and yes, free samples should become standard, cause folks are broke these days and holding onto their money, I know I am.
 

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i buy flavors for me and a few other relatives. i believe free samples are a courtesy to people, saying thankyou for shopping with us, personally they dont have to give out squat truthfully. out of 6 vendors ive tried, with over 75+ flavors i never got anything nor did i care as long as i got what i wanted bottom line and that was the concentrates i required to have
 

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The OP is 100% correct for juice suppliers attempting to start/grow their business. You could have the best juices in the world but if no one knows about them, you won't sell much.

I've (checked out/gone to the websites of) many juice vendors. In my experience, generic pictures/descriptions = generic juices. Creating a good juice requires a certain amount of imagination and flair and initiative and the website has to reflect that. (Note that I am not talking about anything technically difficult, simply something other than the same boring pictures I've seen a thousand times.) Without something unique in the website to draw me in, I'll never actually order anything.

Secondly, samples are *so* important, yet most vendors don't use them very well. Yes, including a sample or two in an order is a nice practice and one I appreciate but to draw in new customers, you have to 'hook' them first, i.e. get them to order your juice in the first place.

What vendors need to do is offer a cheap, convenient way for customers to try their juices. And it has to be something that doesn't cost the vendor much time/money. The answer is standardized sample packs. It's such a basic idea and I really don't understand why more vendors don't do it.

If I were a vendor, I'd make up lots of identical sample packs - let's say 3mL samples of five juices at 12mg strength. If you're a small vendor, just your 'five best-selling flavors'. If you're bigger, maybe make up themes - 'Christmas', 'The Beach', 'Fruity'...whatever. Use your imagination. Then give them away in contests. Offer them cheaply on your website. Advertise them. The object is to get people to *try* your products - after that, whether they continue to buy is up to the juice itself. But it's a way to get them to take that first step.

Juice is cheap to make - a standardized sample pack would cost less than a dollar each to produce. Including postage/packaging/etc., you could easily sell them for five dollars or so and not lose money.
 

milazinha

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I’ve been reading all these replies, and shaking my head with mild amusement at some. Some people don’t get it. For others, is quite obvious.

(Before anything: huge YES for all the "sample packs, please!" comments above. Totally agree, and I buy them whenever they are available.)

The idea of receiving free samples is not about wanting to vape for free. Far from it; it’s about a desire to spend even more money in a vendor’s juices. It’s about giving them more business, no less.

Some people are pretty content in finding a couple of juices that meet their needs, and buy the same thing over and over again. (Lucky their pockets!) But many others want to try as many flavors as possible, from a variety of vendors, and eventually gather a collection of juices that they can’t live without. They will become repeat customers because of these particular juices. What’s not to love about that, from a vendor’s POV?

A real-life example:

I recently got overly enthusiastic with reviews and bought about 12 bottles of Mt Baker juices. Tried them, disliked them all, vowed never to buy from them again. Except, they’ve included a 555 sample, and when I’ve finally tried it, I loved it. I’ll probably buy again from them – because of this one juice.

Another example. Bought several juices from HHV. Some are ok for my taste, a couple are terrible, and 2 are truly outstanding (Legend and Caramel Cappuccino). Hadn’t I picked these 2, my impression of their whole line would have been “Eh,” and I never would have gone back. As it is, I’ve made a 3rd order within 2 months. (Pity that they didn’t send me any samples; had I liked anything I would have bought it too!)

We have money and are eager to spend it. Smart vendors help us do just that.
 

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I'm 100% with the OP, free samples gets more customers.

Example: Up til a month ago, I dipped for 19 years. In 1998 I was at a Country Bar, the Copenhagen Reps where there. I was already a Copenhagen user at the time. The flavor they were promoting that night was Copenhagen Black (Bourbon flavor). I like sweet flavors, the Reps gave me a LOG (10 cans) for FREE. It was the only flavor I used til 2007 when it was discontinued. It was re released about two months ago. If my wife had not turned me onto vaping, I would still be buying the stuff.

Basically, FREE is a great way to get repeat customers.
 
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