Lexington, KY -Health Official Issues E-Cigarette Warning
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the two sides to the story... The Lesser Harm" side.. a safer alternative to real smoking.. i dont think anyone in their right mind would attempt to dispute this..
the other side.. The Greater Harm Side" a new "Highly Addictive" product that may create a whole new generation of nicotine addicts..
as long as real cigarettes are around i dont think the "Greater Harm" argument has much merit.. but it does come down to how the marketing is done..
trying to make e cig sound so wonderful.. as we do.. probably isnt a good thing..
trog
the other side.. The Greater Harm Side" a new "Highly Addictive" product that may create a whole new generation of nicotine addicts..
as long as real cigarettes are around i dont think the "Greater Harm" argument has much merit.. but it does come down to how the marketing is done..
trying to make e cig sound so wonderful.. as we do.. probably isnt a good thing..
trog
There are more than a few things wrong with this article.
Quoting an organization without actually quoting them and then just putting in whatever you want... yeah... great reporting there.
This piece is to monger fear.
Quoting an organization without actually quoting them and then just putting in whatever you want... yeah... great reporting there.
This piece is to monger fear.
I have spent a lot of time in Kentucky. They are a huge tobacco producer. Almost everyone I know there has put in some time working tobacco. I wouldn't be surprised if it's harder to sell e-cigs in tobacco states because it is so much a part of the culture. They do not have nearly the amount of state tax that many other places do. I am so sick of this "quit or die" mentality from anti-tobacco groups. It seems to me like they want nicotine addicts dead.
Don't be silly geeker, they don't want tobacco smokers dead. They want them to live a rather long, highly taxed life with an awful, painful death. Without the profits that tobacco taxes bring to all forms of government, they'll need to lean toward declaring caffeine, sugar, or chocolate addicting drugs (which they truly are) and start laying the taxes on these products. I don't believe the government ever protected any of these they way they did tobacco back in the 30's.
Quote: Ellen Hahn, director of the Kentucky Center for Smoke-Free Policy, says e-cigarettes could actually end up creating new customers for tobacco in a state where adult and youth smoking rates are at epidemic levels.
"They're mistakenly marketing them as a safe alternative to cigarettes, where there are no age restrictions, and so the way they are marketed really does appeal to children."
I am so tired of hearing about how e-cigarettes are bad because they can be sold to children! That is NOT the fault of e-cig manufacturers or suppliers, in fact most suppliers refuse to sell to minors. That is the fault of the law. If government officials don't want these sold to children, it's THEIR responsibility to amend the local law. That is not the e-cig's fault!
"They're mistakenly marketing them as a safe alternative to cigarettes, where there are no age restrictions, and so the way they are marketed really does appeal to children."
I am so tired of hearing about how e-cigarettes are bad because they can be sold to children! That is NOT the fault of e-cig manufacturers or suppliers, in fact most suppliers refuse to sell to minors. That is the fault of the law. If government officials don't want these sold to children, it's THEIR responsibility to amend the local law. That is not the e-cig's fault!
Yep. Milk you for all your worth, the cast you in the terminal heap right around the time you're ready to get back all the FICA they took from you throughout the years.
Oh boy. Right in my own back yard!
I should have seen this coming, being that we do have the largest percentage of smokers per capita in the country. I'm sure the State and counties receive revenue in several ways through the tobacco industry.
Our Mayor, Jim Newberry, does do this thing called "Mayor's Night Out", where the citizenry in general is welcomed to come to an open forum and pretty much gripe about anything they want to.
He only does it every other month, and I believe September is an off month. Come October I'm dragging as many vaper's as I can out there. My roommate and I have managed to convert at least a dozen friends and co-workers to vaping. I hope this is the sort of thing that he can help with.
I have links to the analysis that Johnson's Creek had done on their e-liquid, I need to find a link to the, I think, 7-year European study that was done that essentially found no adverse health effects.
I'm going to get a nice thick file of positive information together and see if I can show the man the sham that someone is about to perpetrate in his own jurisdiction.
-Rook
I should have seen this coming, being that we do have the largest percentage of smokers per capita in the country. I'm sure the State and counties receive revenue in several ways through the tobacco industry.
Our Mayor, Jim Newberry, does do this thing called "Mayor's Night Out", where the citizenry in general is welcomed to come to an open forum and pretty much gripe about anything they want to.
He only does it every other month, and I believe September is an off month. Come October I'm dragging as many vaper's as I can out there. My roommate and I have managed to convert at least a dozen friends and co-workers to vaping. I hope this is the sort of thing that he can help with.
I have links to the analysis that Johnson's Creek had done on their e-liquid, I need to find a link to the, I think, 7-year European study that was done that essentially found no adverse health effects.
I'm going to get a nice thick file of positive information together and see if I can show the man the sham that someone is about to perpetrate in his own jurisdiction.
-Rook
Pssssh, Kentucky, what do they know? Being from southeast Ohio, I am very close to Kentucky and WV. The states which have the highest obesity rates in the country. So I don't want to hear anything from the government in this part of the country about anything.
It's such a shame that logic doesn't prevail and fear-mongering does. Otherwise, Ellen Hahn could be a friend of the ECA. If she really believes in her comment "The thing that scares me most in Kentucky particularly is because we have so many tobacco-dependent people." should make her a proponent of e-cigs. Unfortunately, her knee-jerk reaction to anything that looks like a cigarette blinds her to the benefits of them.
These people should be seeking federal funding for e-cig research instead of just bashing them.
These people should be seeking federal funding for e-cig research instead of just bashing them.
I'm writing her an e-mail as I type this. I'm going to link to the medical professionals who have joined our side of the fight, as well as any pertinent documents I can find. I am also going to link to this forum, and hope that as an academic, she will be curious to seek out information.
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i think the problem with this article and almost all other ones out there is that none of the authors, groups, associations, etc. understand the culture of smoking, what it is to be a smoker. It agrivates me that no one seems to mention the failure rate of already existing nicotine replacement products, which are in fact a joke,
I totally agree that they need to be regulated, not sold to minors, I will go as far as to say they should not be sold to non-smokers, prescription only? maybe.
I totally agree that they need to be regulated, not sold to minors, I will go as far as to say they should not be sold to non-smokers, prescription only? maybe.
we need to change our life style. we are almost consuming 140% of resources at the rate we are going now we are going to end fighting over food and water by 2050 in US. we waist so much of our resources. oh well the government is more worried about money and nicotine than what is at stake for our future our own survival.
Lol... yes but if you put all of your effort and concentrate hard on all the trivial things, you just don't have any time to worry about the real problems, you can forget them. Perhaps that's what it's all about, people are making nonsense things important as a form of escapism. Hey lets see if we can ban doughnuts next ...that's really important and I am so worried about people getting fat!
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lol its so true. Everybody in the world wants the American Life style....rich.....famous...and lazy.......well most of us are not rich nor famous....but we're definitely lazy...
All we need to do is get rid of money and we all start working towards survival...figuring new ways to live.....make better and more advanced cities that is controlled by a super computer. There is enough food and water to feed everyone 3-4 square meals a day. We have technology now that can allow beautiful cities for everyone to live. Instead of huge maze like cities we need round cities with everything we need in the center. public trans portion would be easy to use. Money slows down growth in technology....it needs to go.
All we need to do is get rid of money and we all start working towards survival...figuring new ways to live.....make better and more advanced cities that is controlled by a super computer. There is enough food and water to feed everyone 3-4 square meals a day. We have technology now that can allow beautiful cities for everyone to live. Instead of huge maze like cities we need round cities with everything we need in the center. public trans portion would be easy to use. Money slows down growth in technology....it needs to go.
Yeah us poor chubby people from WV. It's horrible. On the plus side when all hell breaks loose, and you anorexic skinny ... city people starve out quick we will have the entire thing to ourselves. Ya, know the last time I went to get a puppy or kitten, I didn't go awwwww look honey that one is so cute its' ribs are showing.
And not to mention you have to go to the doctor in order to get a prescription for a replacement atomizer? Could you imagine?
Cheaper to smoke tobacco cigs at that point.
Look at the inhalers? $200 bucks a pop?
Yeah... atomizers are only $75.00 and last two weeks.
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