Lifetime of Batteries?

[Laquox]

So my X2 died again today. (It stopped working last week, then suddenly started working again, only to die again today...) And I was on here reading and I was curious because it seems the answer is whatever the poster at the moment thinks. What is the lifetime of these batteries? Seems kind of crazy to spend 40 dollars on a battery only for it to last such a short time. (From what I am reading most people only get a few months of life out of these style batteries.) So I was wondering does anyone know what the average life span of the X2/Twist 1300mah variants?

 

[DaleC]

I don't have an answer for you but that's a pretty short lifespan if that's the case.

Dale

 

[subversive]

In my experience with eGo-style batteries ( non-twist ), they seem to last about 6 months before they don't hold a charge as long or just outright die. I have eGo-styles that are going on two years old that still work, but they don't perform like new. It's supposed to be something like 300 charge cycles at optimum. I have heard that the twists are more fragile, but haven't personally used them.

 

[The Ocelot]

250-300 charges is what I have heard.

 

[rotku]

Same here, Most places advertise 250-300 charge cycles.

 

[Beccca]

Too short battery...can you return it?

 

[wv2win]

If you switch to an APV with removable batteries you can double the life span of your batteries and they cost 3 times less.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Clean the contact area of the charger and check the output with a multimeter. Ive had more than one charger go flaky and make me think the battery was bad.

 

[Laquox]

Clean the contact area of the charger and check the output with a multimeter. Ive had more than one charger go flaky and make me think the battery was bad.

Tried different charger and that's another odd point which is why I am exchanging this one. It won't fire up and regardless of charger acts like it wants to charge but then doesn't.

I just seem to not have good luck with the batteries. I've read horror stories of those replaceable battery style mods to delve into that route just yet.

 

[wv2win]

Tried different charger and that's another odd point which is why I am exchanging this one. It won't fire up and regardless of charger acts like it wants to charge but then doesn't.

I just seem to not have good luck with the batteries. I've read horror stories of those replaceable battery style mods to delve into that route just yet.

What??? What kind of "horror stories". Someone is feeding you some BS, I'm afraid. Replacable battery APV's have been around for years. All the top of the line model APV's have replacable batteries of one form or another. Provari, Darwin, Silver Bullet, etc, etc.

 

[SneakyVapper]

You have to be mindful of rechargables. To put this in perspective, think of them as having a "memory". Best rule to go by to make them last as long as possible is to vape until they are completely dead, then charge them fully before use. If you get impatient and take the battery off the charger before its done, say about 95% (as I have many times ), they "think" they are completely charged when they aren't. They "forget" that they have that 5% and next time you charge them, that small bit will be lost. Battery degradation. Many companies would like you to think your battery will last up to 6 months, but I've found they start to degrade right away, and truly only last about 2-3 months. Especially if your an all day vaporer like me

 

[The Ocelot]

I think Laquox may be referring to people stacking batteries or using the wrong type (protected/unprotected/chemistry), and having a problem.

 

[SneakyVapper]

Regarding the APV horror stories, there are safeguards you can take. Bad mods with stackable batteries, or mods where the batteries don't fit properly can definitely be dangerous. You also have to be careful with lithium batteries. For my mod, I use NiMH batteries and I've never had a problem. As long as you go with a reputable company, and be careful of the third parties that sell mods made from a youtube flashlight tutorial, you'll be fine. Take the advice from the many people on this forum, they've found their APVs tried and true.

I made my current mod, the "puck", from a tutorial on this forum. The guy was very knowledgeable, and I did my own research too. I'm confident in its safety, and I've used it for weeks now, rotating the same NiMH AA batteries that I bought at the corner store.

 

[Rader2146]

You have to be mindful of rechargables. To put this in perspective, think of them as having a "memory". Best rule to go by to make them last as long as possible is to vape until they are completely dead, then charge them fully before use. If you get impatient and take the battery off the charger before its done, say about 95% (as I have many times ), they "think" they are completely charged when they aren't. They "forget" that they have that 5% and next time you charge them, that small bit will be lost. Battery degradation. Many companies would like you to think your battery will last up to 6 months, but I've found they start to degrade right away, and truly only last about 2-3 months. Especially if your an all day vaporer like me

If these were NiCd batteries, true....But this does not apply Li-Ion batteries.

 

[Rader2146]

Interesting fact: The LiPo type batteries used in Cig-A-like and eGo style batteries has more potential energy than a replaceable 18650 IMR battery.

One could argue than today's APV's are safer than eGo style ecigs because if the built in safety features and safe chemistry batteries.

 

[wv2win]

I think Laquox may be referring to people stacking batteries or using the wrong type (protected/unprotected/chemistry), and having a problem.

Stacking batteries is perfectly safe if done correctly. And as mentioned above, with safety features in today's APV's, it's mindless worrying about nothing.

 

[The Ocelot]

Stacking batteries is perfectly safe if done correctly. And as mentioned above, with safety features in today's APV's, it's mindless worrying about nothing.

"Done correctly" isn't always.

 

[Dac311]

You have to be mindful of rechargables. To put this in perspective, think of them as having a "memory". Best rule to go by to make them last as long as possible is to vape until they are completely dead, then charge them fully before use. If you get impatient and take the battery off the charger before its done, say about 95% (as I have many times ), they "think" they are completely charged when they aren't. They "forget" that they have that 5% and next time you charge them, that small bit will be lost. Battery degradation. Many companies would like you to think your battery will last up to 6 months, but I've found they start to degrade right away, and truly only last about 2-3 months. Especially if your an all day vaporer like me

This first part of this is untrue. They will go for more than 300 cycles if you charge at half full. The memory thing may happen if you repeatedly take them off of the charger before they are fully charged. But you have to do that over and over again. These aren't like old school cordless or cell phones. Battery technology has significantly improved. I've yet to have any of my batteries stop working on me. Though I keep quite a few in rotation. 2 x2 spinners and 2 808 revolvers.

 

[Ryedan]

Lithium ion batteries do not have any memory.

For more info on them see the Battery University.

 

[Ryedan]

So my X2 died again today. (It stopped working last week, then suddenly started working again, only to die again today...) And I was on here reading and I was curious because it seems the answer is whatever the poster at the moment thinks. What is the lifetime of these batteries? Seems kind of crazy to spend 40 dollars on a battery only for it to last such a short time. (From what I am reading most people only get a few months of life out of these style batteries.) So I was wondering does anyone know what the average life span of the X2/Twist 1300mah variants?

Lithium ion batteries age by losing charge capacity, meaning they will hold less charge as they get older. Charge/discharge cycles have an important part to play here, but other things influence this also like running them hot, discharging rapidly or charging rapidly. They also have a shelf life even if never cycled. I've never had a lion battery (typically for cameras) last longer than about four years. At about 250 charge cycles they show reduced capacity by about 15% compared to new. It gets worse as they get older. If you do not discharge completely and/or do not charge completely they will last longer.

My oldest two eGo 650 mAh (not Twist) batteries have seen an estimated 100 charges. I destroyed one a few months ago (totally my fault) but the other one is doing just fine since April last year with no noticeable change in performance. I also have a 650 mAh Twist that is about six months old that is doing just fine.

For some hard data and much more detail, see the link to the Battery University I posted above.