Little Green Men - Is God Limited?

[mightymen]

Came across Dave's post, I asked Dave for permission to use it.

A little something to add to our tool box, scientific approach from a believers point of view - life form somewhere out in the Universe.

Is it possible I, don't see why not, since God created everything and upholds everything by His Word.?

As in any game of gossip there's convolution of the message, but the basics are there for those who decide to utilize them. The distilled message of the Bible is to love god and love your neighbor as yourself. It's pretty simple.

As for the existence of higher powers, the universe is likely full of races who have mastered technology given thousands or millions of years of development and evolution. Levitation, healing, conversing through the mind, quantum communication, and consciousness outside the body ... who knows what powers can be developed over time.

Given that thought, can we say with confidence that there's no higher, benevolent power? Is there a power that commands the technology of the universe? To accept that there is, we'd have to conquer the mechanics of quantum theory and develop the ability to harness its principles. After all, if we can't do it, then there must not be a higher power that can. Right? That's almost like saying WE are the higher power.

Yep, Dave's getting philosophical again.

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[Fisheeboy]

I am fully aware that Jesus is God, that God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. He created man in his(holy) image, man fell, God sent forth His only begotten Son to die a sinner's death for those whom He chose to be His children.
Having said that, I do not dismiss the possibility of there being other intelligent corporeal beings out there. We know that He created intelligent spiritual beings so why would I say He has not created other physical beings of intelligence on other planets? But one thing I am confident in is this, WE are His prized creation! WE alone are created in His image. And it is WE alone who the Son of God died for. Not the angels, are the animals or any other created thing. We are the greatest of all of God's creations. There is no other creation that God holds more dear to His heart than His children.

And to address the question Is God Limited? I absolutely positively say yes, yes He is limited. God cannot lie, God cannot die, God cannot stop being God, He cannot stop being holy, being love, being righteous, being eternal and so forth. And this is one of my absolute favorites. God cannot create a rock so big that even He can't lift it.
That thread from which you got the quote is quite something. Not a thing I would venture into even though I myself am the way I am I know better than to cast my pearls before swine.

 

[Saintscruiser]

Well, the way I see things are simple. 1) I have never seen any Scripture on life on other planets or solar systems; 2) If by some small chance there is, they need Jesus, too; 3) I believe that there are no such things as flying saucers, other life on other planets, UFO's, etc.

What I do know is that satan and demons imitate and confuse people. Can I 100% say that there is no other life forms? Yes. Until the Lord tells me different, I go with that. I don't believe in ghosts, either. 8-o

 

[mightymen]

And to address the question Is God Limited? I absolutely positively say yes, yes He is limited. God cannot lie, God cannot die, God cannot stop being God, He cannot stop being holy, being love, being righteous, being eternal and so forth. And this is one of my absolute favorites. God cannot create a rock so big that even He can't lift it.
That thread from which you got the quote is quite something. Not a thing I would venture into even though I myself am the way I am I know better than to cast my pearls before swine.

I disagree with "Is God Limited? I absolutely positively say yes" He absolutely is not limited, God nature is not to lie for He is righteous, can He lie just look at us we are made in the image of God and we can lie. Did he not say

"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"

God is Holy, He is not being Holy, that would imply He's restraining Himself and capable of something else - God's Nature is Holy that is Who He is.

Maybe I'm wrong but, I see this in the Scripture's and His Words tell me it's so.


That place is not for the weak.
It is written "Matthew Chapter 10

26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

 

[Saintscruiser]

I was soooo tired yesterday and evening, that I forgot to answer the biggie question....'Is God Limited?' Absolutely, emphatically NO. I mean, can He only 1) part the Red Sea; 2) ask the children of Israel to walk around Jericho X amount of times, yell and the walls comes down? 3) Be so powerful in a shepherd boy that he can kill a giant with a few stones? 4) Destroy the earth with water, but one family, and rain had never fallen before? 5) provide a AAA roadmap to the Israelites with a pillar of clouds by day and a pillar of fire by night; 6) have all the Scripture prophecy in the Old Testament fulfilled; 7) send a sin solution via His Son, Jesus Christ and Jesus be willing to go for mankind; 8) speak the world in existence? 9) heal the sick, raise the dead; 10) have a strong follower....literally strong, with the power coming from God to his hair; 11) Jesus be restrained around Judas, knowing full well he would betray Him.....have you ever really thought about that one? Boggles my mind. Then dies for Judas' sins on the cross. I could go on and on, filling up pages and pages and not even scratch the surface! But I think you get the idea! How could anyone think that Almighty God's power is limited? Compare your lives to the Trinity. I always feel like a speck of dust when I do that....and that's on a good day! Look at Who He is!

I want to share a cute story with you from when my son was a youngster. He loved watching the 'Six Million Dollar Man.' One day my son turns to me and says, "Mom, who is stronger....God or Steve Austin?" I told him God. Then he asked, "Mom, who can jump the highest....God or Steve Austin?" I told him God. Then he turns to me and says, "You know, Mom, I bet God could step on Steve Austin!" I told him that I thought He could, if He so desired to do so.

 

[Fisheeboy]

The Scriptures say that it is impossible for God to lie. God's nature is God. It's not that He chooses not to lie, it is that He is not capable of lying. If you or anyone else believes that God is capable of lying then you are not believing in the one true God.
I'm not the one that says God is limited, the Scriptures do. I just simply agree with the Scriptures. God cannot sin. Jesus could not have sinned. If you guys think that God is capable of sinning then I just don't even know what to think to say in response to that.
Honestly, do guys think God is capable of sinning? If you answer, yes, then you need to really examine your entire belief system. But if you agree that it is impossible for God to sin, then you have to agree that God is limited in that sense.
"Look at Who He is!" Not who you are. Don't make God in your image. He is not a man that He should lie. He can't lie. He can't stop being God.

 

[mightymen]

The Scriptures say that it is impossible for God to lie. God's nature is God. It's not that He chooses not to lie, it is that He is not capable of lying. If you or anyone else believes that God is capable of lying then you are not believing in the one true God.. He can't lie. He can't stop being God.

I thought I answered this. Yes it's impossible for God to lie that being said.

Does God have free will, is God aware that evil exists.

A lie is evil, it's not a thing it's a action. God created us with free will that means there had to be a choice.

God didn't create evil.

"At first it might seem that if God created all things then evil must have been created by God. However, there is an assumption here that needs to be cleared up. Evil is not a "thing" - like a rock or electricity. You can't have a jar of evil! Rather, evil is something that occurs, like running. Evil has no existence of its own - it is really a lack in a good thing. For example, holes are real but they only exist in something else. We call the absence of dirt a hole - but it cannot be separated from the dirt. So when God created, it is true that all that existed was good. One of the good things that God made was creatures who had the freedom to choose good. In order to have a real choice, God had to allow there to be something besides good to choose. So God allowed these free angels and humans to choose good or non-good (evil). When a bad relationship exists between two good things we call that evil, but it does not become a "thing" that required God to create it." https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090427124617AA6O9H2

Does God have Free Will?
Is God limited?
Did God create everything and without God there was nothing?
Did God know evil would be in the world?
Did God know what evil is?
Did God make man righteous?
Did God know man would have to make a choice?
Did Jesus overcome evil?
Did Jesus have a choice -Good and evil?

God is righteous that there's only could be one choice for God, to do good.

Being human there's things we can't fully comprehend.

It's OK if we don't agree, as long as we agree on the Blood of Jesus and God's forgiveness of sin.

2 Timothy 3:16
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

 

[Saintscruiser]

The Scriptures say that it is impossible for God to lie. God's nature is God. It's not that He chooses not to lie, it is that He is not capable of lying. If you or anyone else believes that God is capable of lying then you are not believing in the one true God.
I'm not the one that says God is limited, the Scriptures do. I just simply agree with the Scriptures. God cannot sin. Jesus could not have sinned. If you guys think that God is capable of sinning then I just don't even know what to think to say in response to that.
Honestly, do guys think God is capable of sinning? If you answer, yes, then you need to really examine your entire belief system. But if you agree that it is impossible for God to sin, then you have to agree that God is limited in that sense.
"Look at Who He is!" Not who you are. Don't make God in your image. He is not a man that He should lie. He can't lie. He can't stop being God.

This post makes me uneasy. I know you were trying to post an intellectual 'gotcha,' but, to me, the egg exploded all over you, Fishee. Now I know how you post, and I know what you were trying to say, but, in my opinion, it's not......uh, reverent. I would be very interested in what God told you about it.

 

[pt91]

good discussion.
The "Did God create evil" part is where I got hung up at a very young age (was recommended that i don't come back to Sunday school since I asked too many questions. I was 3 at the time).
I have been trying to believe my whole life but that is where I get stuck.
Would honestly like to here your opinions.
PT

 

[Saintscruiser]

good discussion.
The "Did God create evil" part is where I got hung up at a very young age (was recommended that i don't come back to Sunday school since I asked too many questions. I was 3 at the time).
I have been trying to believe my whole life but that is where I get stuck.
Would honestly like to here your opinions.
PT

• Matthew 19:13Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.
  Matthew 19:12-14 (in Context) Matthew 19
• Matthew 19:14But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
  Matthew 19:13-15

What a terrible thing to do to a child! I posted a few Scriptures and I think you can get Jesus's idea on your situation. Don't allow the mistake of a man/woman teacher to keep you from knowing God. They will have to face the Lord with that one. I'm not saying whether they were/were not saved. That is between them and God. It's easy to know God! Just ask Jesus into your heart, ask the Lord to forgive you of your sins, get a Bible, then read it! Jesus is the Son of God, who came to earth to begin as a baby (the virgin birth), gave His life willingly to save our sins. He was crucified on the cross, layed in a borrowed tomb and rose on the 3rd day. If you have any questions, please send me a private message. I will be happy to discuss more.

Almighty God created the angelic realm. He gave them a free will, just like us. God didn't create evil. Lucifer was a beautiful angel who led the Praise and Worship in Heaven. He decided since he had free will to choose to go up against God wanting to be like God and having praise and worship for himself. The Lord had no choice but to kick them out of Heaven. They fell. On that trip, Lucifer became satan and his angels (became demons ....1/3 wanted to go with him) were sent to earth where they awaited the creation of man. Everything was okay until Adam took a bite of the forbidden fruit from the tree of life. When Adam did that, satan was given the deed to earth. Just because satan took 1/3 of the angels, that left 2/3's with God.

 

[mightymen]

good discussion.
The "Did God create evil" part is where I got hung up at a very young age (was recommended that i don't come back to Sunday school since I asked too many questions. I was 3 at the time).
I have been trying to believe my whole life but that is where I get stuck.
Would honestly like to here your opinions.
PT

IMO - No one knows everything, we are trying to share and learn from each other, sometimes we get it right other times we don't were human. Lots more to say on this but not for now.

God is pure GOODNESS pure LOVING it is not possible for God to create evil there is no evil in GOD, God created free will in man THAT'S A GOOD THING it allows us to be in the presents of GOD, man has the power to choose now with free will to be GOOD or BAD, the way man uses his free will allows for sin - evil, it's the effect of not chosen good with GOD'S gift of free will, evil is not a thing this is hard for man to understand the best way I can describe evil is as a force, we can't use our natural sense to ID it but we can measure it's effects.

GOD knew man would do what he has done with free will and GOD allows it but did not create it. GOD allows evil to bring us to His GOODNESS - INTO HIS PRESENTS.

Here's Scripture Genesis Chapter 50 verse 20
"But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive."

GOD had a plan from the beginning and allowed Satan to resist HIM Satan had free choice that produced evil and now has enter into our world and all we know. But man did not bring sin into this world that was Satan the falling angel he wants to be like GOD and he is trying to use man to resist GOD though at times it may look as he's winning he won't and GOD will get His way - His WILL

Satan - evil can only work through us if we allow it to, that is the only power GOD allows Satan to have and the only means he has available to use is our free will, we allow evil to enter into us or we resist it, It's a spiritual battle not of flesh and bones.

 

[Fisheeboy]

This post makes me uneasy. I know you were trying to post an intellectual 'gotcha,' but, to me, the egg exploded all over you, Fishee. Now I know how you post, and I know what you were trying to say, but, in my opinion, it's not......uh, reverent. I would be very interested in what God told you about it.

No exploding eggs and no attempt at anything intellectual. I am by no means a novice of the Scriptures and I speak with plain boldness when I say that I know God. I am also extremely aware that I am unable to nor will I attempt to show you the errors in your thinking in regard to the one true God. Your beliefs are flawed but in your pride you will likely never see that. And though I have gleaned some nice things from this part of the forum I shall not be participating here any longer. I have found no spiritual fellowship here. I cannot continue to converse with those who insist on making God into something He is not.

 

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[Saintscruiser]

No exploding eggs and no attempt at anything intellectual. I am by no means a novice of the Scriptures and I speak with plain boldness when I say that I know God. I am also extremely aware that I am unable to nor will I attempt to show you the errors in your thinking in regard to the one true God. Your beliefs are flawed but in your pride you will likely never see that. And though I have gleaned some nice things from this part of the forum I shall not be participating here any longer. I have found no spiritual fellowship here. I cannot continue to converse with those who insist on making God into something He is not.

Fishee, you and I both know that we've agreed to disagree. I have talked with people from all walks of life, truly, and your post reminded me of people that were trying to speak from an intellectual stand point. If I misspoke, unjustly, forgive me. I in all honesty mean that. Now, this part of the post: "This post makes me uneasy. but, in my opinion, it's not......uh, reverent. I would be very interested in what God told you about it." I stand by. Why do you accept your position but call me flawed and prideful? Do I not have the same rights to speak as you? I think not, from the sound of your post. If you wish to leave, then that is your decision. I am not asking you to leave, but I don't know how much plainer I can say it.....we agree to disagree. That's my final answer.

 

[blondeambition3]

I am fully aware that Jesus is God, that God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. He created man in his(holy) image, man fell, God sent forth His only begotten Son to die a sinner's death for those whom He chose to be His children.
Having said that, I do not dismiss the possibility of there being other intelligent corporeal beings out there. We know that He created intelligent spiritual beings so why would I say He has not created other physical beings of intelligence on other planets? But one thing I am confident in is this, WE are His prized creation! WE alone are created in His image. And it is WE alone who the Son of God died for. Not the angels, are the animals or any other created thing. We are the greatest of all of God's creations. There is no other creation that God holds more dear to His heart than His children.

And to address the question Is God Limited? I absolutely positively say yes, yes He is limited. God cannot lie, God cannot die, God cannot stop being God, He cannot stop being holy, being love, being righteous, being eternal and so forth. And this is one of my absolute favorites. God cannot create a rock so big that even He can't lift it.
That thread from which you got the quote is quite something. Not a thing I would venture into even though I myself am the way I am I know better than to cast my pearls before swine.

THANK YOU for saying everything for me! This pretty much sums it all up for me!!!!!

 

[blondeambition3]

No exploding eggs and no attempt at anything intellectual. I am by no means a novice of the Scriptures and I speak with plain boldness when I say that I know God. I am also extremely aware that I am unable to nor will I attempt to show you the errors in your thinking in regard to the one true God. Your beliefs are flawed but in your pride you will likely never see that. And though I have gleaned some nice things from this part of the forum I shall not be participating here any longer. I have found no spiritual fellowship here. I cannot continue to converse with those who insist on making God into something He is not.

Oh please don't leave Fisheeboy.....

We simply MUST learn to effectively fellowship with one another.... this is HOW we learn to love one another and grow in Christ.

 

[blondeambition3]

Here's WHERE I think this discussion went awry.

There are those of us who believe GOD is LIMITED based on Scripture that declares that HE can not lie and that there is NO DARKNESS in Him. He's LIMITED because His very Nature and Character limits Him. He clearly states that in the Bible no?

God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: has he said, and shall he not do it? or has he spoken, and shall he not make it good? - Numbers 23:19

God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope set before us may be greatly encouraged. -Hebrews 6:18

GOD gave the Angels and Man "Free Will" and because of this SIN came into the World. (We may not all 'agree' on what defines Evil, but the choosing to do what results in Harm, injury or death to others is a pretty good explanation of what GOD would constitute as Evil, regardless of what most Cultures or we think). GOD did not create Evil... He gave us 'free will' which allowed us to fall into Sin. The results of Sin is usually what defines Evil.

GOD created everything in the Universe... and there is nothing that was created that He did not create... right?

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him -Colossians 1:16:

Scripture clearly states 'visible' and 'invisible'... covering both the Physical and spiritual realms. Also covering, "Thrones, dominions, principalities or powers". I don't know about anyone else, but I 'do' believe that it's POSSIBLE for there to be Aliens and/or other Life forms on other Planets. Why couldn't there be? There's TONS of evidence that our current technologies are truly beyond OUR abilities, despite the fact we do have some intelligent People on the Planet... but to do the "MAGICAL" technological things that we take for granted everyday? WHO in any of OUR Families had the type of intelligence to create TELEVISION... the INTERNET?.. Vehicles capable of Space Travel? ... all of the INVISIBLE (Magical) things that surround us?

Now I prefer to think MOST Alien stuff is actually DEMONS... because the nature and character of satan is to shape shift, deceive.... heck, scripture states he can even appear as an Angel of Light... so, whatever you want to call a "Rose"... it's still a Rose. Chances are, if it's not an Angel or a Man, (Woman), it's probably a demon....

... however, one of the scriptures stated above that we should be 'open' for other possibilities perhaps? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

 

[Saintscruiser]

I don't know about anyone else, but I 'do' believe that it's POSSIBLE for there to be Aliens and/or other Life forms on other Planets. Why couldn't there be? - posted by Sister/Cuz


Going by this logic, Cuz, wouldn't Jesus have to go to their planet as well and die for the sins of alienkind? (vs mankind.) satan fell to earth, along with his minions. Again, wouldn't there be a need for satan to be on other planets as well? Just a thought. God is Omnificent (unlimited in creative power), Omnipresent (being in all places at one time), and Omnipotent (having virtually unlimited authority). satan doesn't have these. I guess where I got uneasy about an earlier post about God being limited as He cannot lie as an insult against His character and nature, not His inability to 'do' something limiting Him. This type of post makes me nervous and that is why I posted like I did. God commands respect, dignity, and reverence, and that is called 'fearing the Lord'.....not as a dictator, but an all powerful God. I am held as accountable to Him here as I would be teaching Sunday School, shaping the minds and hearts of little children. That is heavy responsibility, and I have to take it serious. I don't know of any other way to take it, do you? That doesn't mean that I don't love each and every participant, because I do, but I love God more. I think we should all run out and jump into a Honda automobile so we can all be in 'one accord!'

 

[blondeambition3]

I don't know about anyone else, but I 'do' believe that it's POSSIBLE for there to be Aliens and/or other Life forms on other Planets. Why couldn't there be? - posted by Sister/Cuz


Going by this logic, Cuz, wouldn't Jesus have to go to their planet as well and die for the sins of alienkind? (vs mankind.) satan fell to earth, along with his minions. Again, wouldn't there be a need for satan to be on other planets as well? Just a thought. God is Omnificent (unlimited in creative power), Omnipresent (being in all places at one time), and Omnipotent (having virtually unlimited authority). satan doesn't have these. I guess where I got uneasy about an earlier post about God being limited as He cannot lie as an insult against His character and nature, not His inability to 'do' something limiting Him. This type of post makes me nervous and that is why I posted like I did. God commands respect, dignity, and reverence, and that is called 'fearing the Lord'.....not as a dictator, but an all powerful God. I am held as accountable to Him here as I would be teaching Sunday School, shaping the minds and hearts of little children. That is heavy responsibility, and I have to take it serious. I don't know of any other way to take it, do you? That doesn't mean that I don't love each and every participant, because I do, but I love God more. I think we should all run out and jump into a Honda automobile so we can all be in 'one accord!'

I love you so much L!... and I so 'get' exactly what you're saying.

I don't think I'm very good sometimes at explaining myself.... I think I am when I'm typing it and everything, but then I realize, I 'get' what I mean, but very few other people do.... that's 'my' bad isn't it?

Now I can't explain HOW 'they' got there... (the demonic beings and followers of satan).... but I do believe that satan and his followers do have 'access' to the powers of the air.... not just Earth.

Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.… Ephesians 6:11-13

Now I realize there is scripture where Christ states satan 'fell' to the Earth... I believe UNTIL this 'appointed' time, he and his minions had 'access', as well as the knowledge to travel anywhere in the Universe.. (even up to the Throne of GOD at a certain point)... and he has used other planets, and populated them.... with a Hybrid race of demon/human, which we've heard as the Nephillum. (You're NOT going to believe this! But just seconds after typing the word "Nephillum", I did a spell-check, because I wasn't sure if I spelled it right or not... and HERE is the spell-check RESULT that was offered as an option because Nephillum apparently isn't an option - Check this out!!!! , illumined, illumining. to illuminate. Origin: 1300–50; Middle English illuminen < Latin illūmināre to light up , ...)... AND! This freaks me out because the Bible says 'satan himself is transformed into an Angel of Light".... the illuminated ones. Interesting hunh? Now get this.... SOME of the Illuminati Families have stepped forward and claim they are half demon/human Hybrids... and they CLAIM to be enlightened... and from OTHER Planets. I just think this is ULTRA interesting...

Remember, in Genesis 6:1-3, just prior to the (Noah) Flood, THIS was happening;

Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."…

anyways,

I believe GOD is totally unlimited in POWER, but limited by the very nature of His Character. I know it sounds like it's totally conflicting.... but!

Oh heck Cuz! Make room for me in that HONDA!!!!!!

 

[pt91]

So are you saying the God does not have free will but we do? Did he/she give us something that he/she was incapable of? Never thought of it that way but it is very interesting to ponder.