Local hit piece on e cigarettes

[jangofett]

not sure where to post this but check out this incredibly biased story that was on the local news today:

Electronic Cigarettes, what's really in them?

Green says with no real data on e-cigarettes-- this three year old tobacco alternative may actually be more harmful that traditional cigarettes.

So there's no data, and that means we should lead people to believe they're more dangerous than cigarettes which have tons of data showing that they kill?? E-cigarettes may also contain a pork pie

"The doses of nicotine that you get could, conceivably, be higher than what you would get in a typical cigarette," he said.

Or, conceivably, one billion trillion times lower. Conceivably. Remember he said there was no data, so he's making these claims based on nothing at all of his own admission!

While federal authorities don't know all the ingredients inside e-cigarettes. the FDA tested a small sample a few years ago and found a number of toxic chemicals include one called like diethylene gylcol, the same ingredient used in antifreeze.

I'd like to see that report. I think they're purposely confusing it with propylene glycol.

From Wikipedia:

Propylene glycol, on the other hand, is considerably less toxic and may be labeled as "non-toxic antifreeze." It is used as antifreeze where ethylene glycol would be inappropriate, such as in food-processing systems or in water pipes in homes where incidental ingestion may be possible.

You know what else is a major component of antifreeze? WATER! We should ban that too! They even make crack ....... with water!

The tobacco vapor electronic cigarette association says e-cigarettes contain five ingredients: water, nicotine, glycerine (a by-product of soap) polyethylene glycol and flavoring.

I can't believe people fall for this .... and don't see the bias staring them in the face. What a nasty chemical that must be if it's a byproduct of soap! They don't mention that it's in nearly every food too though do they?

From wikipedia:

In foods and beverages, glycerol serves as a humectant, solvent, and sweetener, and may help preserve foods. It is also used as filler in commercially prepared low-fat foods (e.g., cookies), and as a thickening agent in liqueurs. Glycerol and water are used to preserve certain types of leaves. As a sugar substitute, it has approximately 27 calories per teaspoon (sugar has 20) and is 60% as sweet as sucrose. Although it has about the same food energy as table sugar, it does not raise blood sugar levels, nor does it feed the bacteria that form plaques and cause dental cavities. As a food additive, glycerol is labeled as E number E422.

 

[ec!gg]

Apparently the doc doesn't know much PVs then . I heard good things from doctors so this is just one doctor that hasn't done his research.

 

[Mindfield]

Just one more nail in the coffin of real investigative journalism. It's like anyone who can string two sentences together and only screw up one can get a job at a news desk. What surprises me is that this wasn't a Fox News piece.

 

[jangofett]

Go read the article. It's so full of grammatical and spelling errors that it makes you wonder if the entire organization is staffed by 5th graders.

 

[John Phoenix]

PG is not a by-product of soap. A by-product is a substance that another substance breaks down into when it gets used or degrades. This is not true of soap and PG. PG is used in the manufacturing of soap. I know this.. I buy my PG from a soap making company, and so do many people on ECF. The company is Essential Wholesale. They sell pure USP grade PG that has been approved by the FDA.

 

[hairball]

If that woman wants to throw them in the trash, she should throw them at someone who would use them...what a birdbrain.

That article is so full of misinformation it isn't even worth commenting a whole lot on.

 

[Creniker]

Article was stupid. But I heard it may have been written by a pork pie.

 

[JustaGuy]

Maybe they're paid to bash e-cigs, or just wanted to get on a "soap" box after being lobbied by groups paid to bash e-cigs? Incompetence and dubious motives produce the same results. Besides, they must be getting tired of bashing smokers, getting old, so need a new target.

 

[Dwindacatcher]

I thought about making an account to post a comment linking the research done on them, but they'll probably just delete it.

 

[Twisty]

Just one more nail in the coffin of real investigative journalism. It's like anyone who can string two sentences together and only screw up one can get a job at a news desk. What surprises me is that this wasn't a Fox News piece.

What doesn't suprise me is that it's a NBC station.

 

[zerominusone]

crap. More people watch NBC than Fox News (or so I've heard). That means even more people are going to be subjected to this uninformed idiocrasy. At least most who watch Fox News are to paranoid to leave the house most of the time.

 

[DC2]

There has been another thread over here that has been running for a few days...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/213839-terrible.html

Regarding this part...

While federal authorities don't know all the ingredients inside e-cigarettes. the FDA tested a small sample a few years ago and found a number of toxic chemicals include one called like diethylene gylcol, the same ingredient used in antifreeze.

The antifreeze scare is based on the finding of a bit of diethylene glycol in one of the cartridges tested by the FDA.

While important to take note of since is should NOT be in there, it was found in only one cartridge out of the 18 tested.
It was NOT found in the any of the NJoy cartridges tested, only in one of the Smoking Everywhere cartridges.

And even knowing that, you should also know that the amount of diethylene glycol that was found in that one Smoking Everywhere cartridge (approximately 1% according to the test results) is not particularly harmful and would require sucking down around 600 hundred cartridges in one day to get near a toxic level.

Also of note is that diethylene glycol is also in cigarettes.
And the FDA allows amounts of less that 0.1% to be present in any products that contain propylene glycol.

Yeah, that is not the best news, but not the worst news either.
And yes, again, that diethylene glycol should not be in there no matter how little there was.

But the most important thing to know?

No other tests have ever found diethylene glycol in any electronic cigarette liquid.
And no test, including the FDA test in question, has EVER found DEG in the vapor produced.

 

[mostlyclassics]

Go read the article. It's so full of grammatical and spelling errors that it makes you wonder if the entire organization is staffed by 5th graders.

jangofett, you owe fifth-graders an apology for your insult.