Long Bottom Leaf Pipe Sauce

[AndriaD]

I've searched the entire forum for "long bottom leaf" but all I can really find about it are quick asides, rather than any detailed discussion of this particular e-liquid. I visited SteamCigs yesterday to restock on Oak Barrel Cider, and they informed me that they were running a sale, buy one and get 50% off a second, so I spent some time tasting. I tasted several of SteamCigs' fruit type flavors, but nothing really grabbed me, so I went back to the Pipe Sauce, since I do like OBC a lot. First I tasted the Shire Malt, and it was ok, but I was undecided; then I tasted Long Bottom Leaf, and it tasted really good to me, so I got that one for my 50% off bottle.

Late last night, I decided to break it out and have another taste, and I was absolutely floored by how smoky it is -- that wasn't really obvious, tasting it in SteamCigs, it's so foggy and other-vape-scented in there. But it's also a bit sweeter than I generally prefer, though admittedly my taste buds *are* changing, and I had been lately giving some thought to trying other tobaccos to see how they appeal to me now that my taste is acclimated to vapor instead of cigarettes of one particular brand. I think I may come to enjoy it more, as I continue to taste it, but I was wondering about it:

1) *is it* an RY4?
2) Is that sweetness which I can almost detect a note of vanilla?
3) What other flavors are good to mix with it?
4) Will it change any, as it ages?

And last but not least... is this really what "smoking a pipe" tastes like? I always wondered what that really tasted like, since I've never actually smoked a pipe.

Anyway it's a very interesting flavor, something really new for me, and I was interested in what others have to say about it.

Thx!
Andria

 

[bman1977]

The longer you let it steep the smokier it gets. Closest thing to tobacco i've ever had. Not really an ADV for me but a nice treat every once in a while. I usually always have 1 or 2 bottles of Long Bottom around. Definietly not an RY4 though. The longer you let it steep the darker it gets and less sweet it gets which IMO is a good thing. I don't mix it with anything just enjoy it as is.

 

[Penn]

I hate to recommend a different forum but for this particular question you might get different feedback elsewhere since they specialize in e-pipes and, though a forum for all e-pipe, it was started by Steam Cigs customers, and to my knowledge the original from them may still be the only place to get Long Bottom Leaf. The ePipe Forum If you don't want a different forum MistbusterMatt might still have 2 sub-forums here under epipemods.com and Steam Cigs.

My attempts at answering your questions -

1) No it isn't RY4. Matt developed his own blends. There may be RY4 in it but that it won't be a straight flavor used by other vendors and flavor makers.
2) It might have vanilla. The one time I tasted it I thought the same thing.
3) I'm not a good person to ask because I don'l like tobacco flavors but if you mean what I think, the goal of all the pipe sauce flavors seems to be creation of flavors that can stand on their own. They are all complex flavors, which leads to
4) Complex flavors will continuously change for up to (and sometimes more than) an entire month. I only mix one complex flavor (and the only one to contain a tobacco flavoring). Trying that stuff before 2 weeks doesn't do it justice and it seems to reach it's peak after 3 weeks.

Your unnumbered question - yes to an extent. Pipes and cigars are totally different to cigarettes in flavor. Pipe sauce form Steam Cigs/e-pipemods.com are meant to reflect pipe tobacco. One thing tobacco flavors don't give in flavor though are the elements of flavor that can only be imparted by burning.

The practice of drawing on a cigarette doesn't really have much in common with e-cigs compared to smoking a pipe. I think that is part o what Matt saw when he started making pipes.

 

[AndriaD]

The longer you let it steep the smokier it gets. Closest thing to tobacco i've ever had. Not really an ADV for me but a nice treat every once in a while. I usually always have 1 or 2 bottles of Long Bottom around. Definietly not an RY4 though. The longer you let it steep the darker it gets and less sweet it gets which IMO is a good thing. I don't mix it with anything just enjoy it as is.

I hate to recommend a different forum but for this particular question you might get different feedback elsewhere since they specialize in e-pipes and, though a forum for all e-pipe, it was started by Steam Cigs customers, and to my knowledge the original from them may still be the only place to get Long Bottom Leaf. The ePipe Forum If you don't want a different forum MistbusterMatt might still have 2 sub-forums here under epipemods.com and Steam Cigs.

My attempts at answering your questions -

1) No it isn't RY4. Matt developed his own blends. There may be RY4 in it but that it won't be a straight flavor used by other vendors and flavor makers.
2) It might have vanilla. The one time I tasted it I thought the same thing.
3) I'm not a good person to ask because I don'l like tobacco flavors but if you mean what I think, the goal of all the pipe sauce flavors seems to be creation of flavors that can stand on their own. They are all complex flavors, which leads to
4) Complex flavors will continuously change for up to (and sometimes more than) an entire month. I only mix one complex flavor (and the only one to contain a tobacco flavoring). Trying that stuff before 2 weeks doesn't do it justice and it seems to reach it's peak after 3 weeks.

Your unnumbered question - yes to an extent. Pipes and cigars are totally different to cigarettes in flavor. Pipe sauce form Steam Cigs/e-pipemods.com are meant to reflect pipe tobacco. One thing tobacco flavors don't give in flavor though are the elements of flavor that can only be imparted by burning.

The practice of drawing on a cigarette doesn't really have much in common with e-cigs compared to smoking a pipe. I think that is part o what Matt saw when he started making pipes.

I appreciate the replies, y'all -- was starting to wonder if anyone actually saw the thread. But I guess it's really an unusual flavor for the usual e-cig crowd, just because it's a pipe sauce.

I haven't been terribly impressed with most "regular" e-cig tobacco flavors, with the sole exception of the PG Virginia I get from MyFreedomSmokes, but I think the main reason I like it is just because the flavor is so similar to the cigarettes I smoked for so many years -- not really sweet, at least not in a heavy way; it's more of a bitter-sweet *trace*, with a very light and smooth tobacco flavor, very much like the cigarettes.

Last night I tried the LBL with just a touch more vanilla added to it, and it was pretty good, I was sipping hot cocoa at the time and the flavors were good together. It's good to know that the flavor changes though, and becomes less sweet, because it's probably the sweetness of it that I find so odd, since I'm not used to a sweet tobacco. I kinda like the smokiness of it; I figure if I ever get one of those "must smoke right NOW" cravings, this juice might help get me over that, since it is so powerfully smoky.

What you seem to be saying is that drawing on an e-cig is more like smoking a pipe, than smoking a cigarette? I guess I can see that, since it's best to primarily concentrate the vapor in the mouth, throat, and nose, rather than inhaling deeply, but truth be told, I didn't inhale deeply even with cigarettes, due to my asthma, which is maybe why inhaling from an e-cig doesn't seem *totally* foreign to me; I let it slowly make its way into my throat and upward into my nose, and sometimes inhale it just slightly deeper, maybe to upper-chest, but I knew from when I first started that lung inhales really don't provide much nicotine; the mouth throat and nose do a MUCH better job if you're really "niccing out".

I'll be observing this LBL to see how it changes over the next month; it's really an interesting taste that does seem to be growing on me. I may look into the e-pipe forum, though I really have no interest in e-pipes, but maybe they have a separate thread/forum just for discussing the different pipe sauces. I think OBC is still my favorite; the appley-ness really does remind me powerfully of the Virginia I love -- which is why I add a tiny bit of the OBC to the Virginia from MFS; it brings the trace of apple-taste to something more obvious.

Thx!
Andria

 

[AndriaD]

Well, I went to the ePipeForum, but I don't find a single thing there about Long Bottom Leaf -- there's more about it here, than there, strangely enough. There aren't any forums here pertaining to SteamCigs or ePipeMods or any of that. Oh well.

Andria

 

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[AndriaD]

LIME?!?!?!? He's either high or something is seriously wrong with his nose/tastebuds; there isn't even a suggestion of lime or anything else citrus in this stuff! I get something more like a mix of chocolate/coffee/vanilla and strong sweet tobacco... but NO LIME!!! And the throat hit is pretty much just not there, but I guess that's because it's 95% VG, and 6mg (which goes to show you that Pg is *very* important to throat hit, because the 6mg PG Virginia I get from MFS has very intense TH). I've got some of the flavor additive "Flash" on the way from ecigexpress, and I'm probably going to add a good bit of it, to give this ANY TH at all.

I'm still shaking my head in pure bafflement... LIME??? Sheesh! Chocolate/coffee/vanilla/tobacco... not citrus at all.

Andria