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Jiggs

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Hi everyone,

Been smoking for 53 years and trying to switch to vaping for the last two years. I own almost every device out there and hundreds of juices, trying to find the magic combination. Didn't like DL, prefer MTL, but I always return to cigarettes. Tried 12mg and 18mg and various ratios of PG/VG. And yes, I want to quit or I wouldn't be here asking for help. I just don't find vaping to be as satisfying as analogs. Am I expecting too much from vaping? Am I doing something wrong? Please help.
 

djsvapour

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Welcome @Jiggs

Not everybody finds it easy, that is true.

In many ways vaping is not as satisfying as smoking (for those of us that enjoyed the sensation) but I guess there is a variety of vapers around out there;
1. Dual users that are happy to stick with this.
2. 100% vapers who quit easily.
3. Folk who try/want to quit smoking but can't escape the pull.

I must have been a number 3. - I cut down, replaced many smokes with vapes and feared finally letting go... but let go I did and vaped strong liquid when the pull to smoke was worst. It was quick and almost painless in the end, I just needed to not rush the transition and keep the faith.
The worst bit was the first bit (replacing some smokes with some vapes) and then the vaper's tongue that hit 2-3 months in.
Getting from 5 cigarettes to 0 was actually not that traumatic. BUT - everyone is different.

Good luck, whatever. :)
 

Jiggs

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Welcome @Jiggs

Not everybody finds it easy, that is true.

In many ways vaping is not as satisfying as smoking (for those of us that enjoyed the sensation) but I guess there is a variety of vapers around out there;
1. Dual users that are happy to stick with this.
2. 100% vapers who quit easily.
3. Folk who try/want to quit smoking but can't escape the pull.

I must have been a number 3. - I cut down, replaced many smokes with vapes and feared finally letting go... but let go I did and vaped strong liquid when the pull to smoke was worst. It was quick and almost painless in the end, I just needed to not rush the transition and keep the faith.
The worst bit was the first bit (replacing some smokes with some vapes) and then the vaper's tongue that hit 2-3 months in.
Getting from 5 cigarettes to 0 was actually not that traumatic. BUT - everyone is different.

Good luck, whatever. :)
Thanks so much. So nice to know I'm not alone. I was hanging in as a dual smoker until my 3 year old Lab had to be put to sleep due to a vet error. Wet back to analogs and have been trying to get back on track. I find the hardest thing to do is have enough will power to not buy a pack of cigarettes. I always keep 2 packs hidden in a drawer and panic when I get down to the last one. I'm sitting here typing with a Vaporesso Target min next to me. Have a 1.3 ohm coil set at 11watts and want to go higher. Even considered putting on a patch and vaping 0 mg nicotine. haven't tried that combo yet.
 

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Former long time smoker who tried to quit many times over the decades. When I picked up vaping I did it when I ran out of cigs and just never bought anymore. Go high on the nicotine, as high as 24 maybe, to start. It will take care of the actual nicotine cravings. The rest of the "urge" to smoke you are getting is mental. There is a mental obsession that goes with smoking for so long. Try and stick to your guns with the vaping and that urge for a cigarette will eventually pass, but it takes time. The brain is a funny thing about letting go of things after so many long years.
 

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Maybe you're putting to much pressure on yourself to quit? Many of us here did the accidental quit. We just started vaping to cut back on the smokes and one day weeks later decided to not smoke anymore.

Zero pressure and importantly (i believe) zero withdrawal.
And being married to a man who doesn't like me to smoke and doesn't like to see me vaping. Yes, I'm pressuring myself because of other people. I closet smoker turning into a closet vaper. Can't win.
 

Jiggs

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Former long time smoker who tried to quit many times over the decades. When I picked up vaping I did it when I ran out of cigs and just never bought anymore. Go high on the nicotine, as high as 24 maybe, to start. It will take care of the actual nicotine cravings. The rest of the "urge" to smoke you are getting is mental. There is a mental obsession that goes with smoking for so long. Try and stick to your guns with the vaping and that urge for a cigarette will eventually pass, but it takes time. The brain is a funny thing about letting go of things after so many long years.
 
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Even considered putting on a patch and vaping 0 mg nicotine. haven't tried that combo yet.

Whoops. I forgot to add, I actually did that.
My quit smoking adviser actually recommended it.
He described the product I was using as "next to useless and almost a placebo".. which lead me onto better hardware and actually joining two forums.
Nearly 5 years later I am still on here ranting about bad products and supposed 'best' vaping companies selling cig-a-likes. Generally, I have rip-off merchants in my rifle sights.
 

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Whoops. I forgot to add, I actually did that.
My quit smoking adviser actually recommended it.
He described the product I was using as "next to useless and almost a placebo".. which lead me onto better hardware and actually joining two forums.
Nearly 5 years later I am still on here ranting about bad products and supposed 'best' vaping companies selling cig-a-likes. Generally, I have rip-off merchants in my rifle sights.
Whoops. I forgot to add, I actually did that.
My quit smoking adviser actually recommended it.
He described the product I was using as "next to useless and almost a placebo".. which lead me onto better hardware and actually joining two forums.
Nearly 5 years later I am still on here ranting about bad products and supposed 'best' vaping companies selling cig-a-likes. Generally, I have rip-off merchants in my rifle sights.

I need a quit smoking advisor, too. My biggest issue is going to a vape store and being told I have the wrong device. I fell for that about 20 times and have the devices to prove it. Finally got smart and stopped buying.
Whoops. I forgot to add, I actually did that.
My quit smoking adviser actually recommended it.
He described the product I was using as "next to useless and almost a placebo".. which lead me onto better hardware and actually joining two forums.
Nearly 5 years later I am still on here ranting about bad products and supposed 'best' vaping companies selling cig-a-likes. Generally, I have rip-off merchants in my rifle sights.
 

djsvapour

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I need a quit smoking advisor, too. My biggest issue is going to a vape store and being told I have the wrong device. I fell for that about 20 times and have the devices to prove it. Finally got smart and stopped buying.

I've more or less stopped buying, but mainly because of the regulations in Europe.
The 'wrong' device is less prevalent these days - all it has to do is genuinely match the level of nicotine needed to tick that box off the the 'to do' list when quitting smoking.
Willpower is also needed, but fighting against something with bad tools doesn't help. Mostly I was sore about the cost.
 

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I was one of the lucky ones. After 42 years and 3 packs-a-day, I was able to quit in 3 days on a cig-sized with cartomizers at 24mg.

My wife took several weeks of tapering down. She always picked up a cigarette when stressed.

Point is, everyone is different. As the saying goes, "don't count the ones you smoke, count the ones you don't smoke."
 

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It took me a while to quit! It took my hubby 3 days!
I was a dual user for about six months and one day I said...enough is enough! I'm either gonna smoke or I'm gonna vape! 3 1/2 years later, I'm a vaper!
Changing up some of my routines helped a lot, first thing in the morning, I would brush my teeth, so I wouldn't want a cigarette. Finding other things to do besides dwell on when I'd be able to "smoke another one" helped as well.
I wish you all the best in your venture :)
 

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Honestly if it weren't for 24mg nic, I probably would still be smoking..everyone is different but for me, the thump from 12 or 18 just didn't cut it. I need a fairly tight draw, mtl, and a rebuildable rta for that intense throat hit in the 20 watt range . My wife vapes the nautilus mini and it's very good, not as intense as a rebuildable but probably the best besides

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Hi everyone,

Been smoking for 53 years and trying to switch to vaping for the last two years. I own almost every device out there and hundreds of juices, trying to find the magic combination. Didn't like DL, prefer MTL, but I always return to cigarettes. Tried 12mg and 18mg and various ratios of PG/VG. And yes, I want to quit or I wouldn't be here asking for help. I just don't find vaping to be as satisfying as analogs. Am I expecting too much from vaping? Am I doing something wrong? Please help.

Hi Jiggs. Welcome to the ECF.

If you look around, you will see Many Posts where people say they bought an e-Cigarette, used it for a day, and never smoked a Cigarette again! I wasn't one of those people.

I needed to Dual Use ramping-down on Cigarettes while ramping-up e-Cigarettes. It took awhile. And the Mourning/After Dinner cigarettes were Very Tough to quit.

But I Did Quit. And You Can Also!

e-Cigarettes, for me, wasn't a 100% Replacement for Cigarettes. Close. But not 100%. So Don't Feel like it is just you.

Something that Really Helped me when to give up those Last Couple of Cigarettes was to have 2 Tanks. One was filled with my Day-2-Day e-Liquids at my Normal Nicotine level. The Other was the Same Flavor but with a Much Higher Nicotine Level.

So in the Mourning with Coffee, or after Dinner, or when the World came Crashing In and a Cigarette sounded so good, I would switch to the Tank with the Higher Nicotine. I called it my "Break Glass in Emergencies" Tank. LOL.

You Can Make it Jiggs. And e-Cigarettes can Help you. But there might/will be times where you just have to Grit Your Teeth and say "No. I'm Not Going to Smoke that Cigarette. I'll Chain Vape 28mg/ml. Or I'll Yell at the Ceiling. But I'm not going to Smoke."

:)
 
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Hi Jiggs & welcome
Yeh I hear you, 47 years for myself and I've been on and off that wagon so many times I had stairs installed.

Vaping does leave something to be desired, it is not smoking and never will be. Of course smoking leaves something to be desired too (like flavor & not coughing one's lungs out & not smelling like a ashtray & not funding our stupid govts) so it is a trade off. Whichever one you aren't doing at the time is the one you most want.

I'd suggest cheating a bit in your dual use. Take your nic, in at least one tank, up to 24 mg or even 36 mg then overdose on nic. Every time you feel like smoking tell yourself OK but first I vape then I smoke. Suck back on that high nic a few times and magically your desire for a smoke seems to fade into the background of the building headache from the nic. Kind of the same as chain smoking 3 or 4 cigs, you really don't want another. Keep doing that for a week or two or three and one day you'll find yourself able to not smoke those few stinkies you were still smoking the day before.

Oh and good luck with it and as others have said relax. Every time you vape it is one less stinkie smoked so your direction is sound, you are just questioning your speed.
 

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Hi Jiggs,

Oh, I feel your pain. I first tried ecigs when they were first available like, 10 years ago or whatever. It didn't work, went back to smoking, and tried multiple episodes of "dual use."

This time around it was slightly different. I really WANTED to quit, and I NEEDED to quit. The bottom line was, though, I did dual use at first, but I followed suggestions on this site. I vaped my brains out prior to smoking, and observed how unsatisfying it was. I felt bad every time I failed, but I DID NOT stop vaping, no matter what. When the first day came, it felt miraculous and wonderful, and I could hardly believe it.

There are some other things you can try. One might be ordering a bottle of ejuice that is specifically either made from Nic Salts, which are a slightly different type of nicotine. I can't really say anything about whether they're safer or not, but I do find them more satisfying, and when I make my own juices, that's the nicotine I use. I still enjoy other juices, but vastly prefer nic salts (I vape on a small MTL at around 18 mg nicotine....I find with nic salts that is high enough for me, and I don't vape more than I did otherwise.) Do know that's a different form of nicotine than what's in most commercially prepared juices.

WTA (whole tobacco alkaloids) is also an option. They are VERY pricy, but what I found vaping was I'd reach about 3 p.m. and feel like ants were crawling over my skin, and no amount of vaping would compensate for it. I would use a TINY amount of WTA, going later and later in the day, and I'm in the process of weaning off them... but they got me through the detox MAOI hump (cigarette alkaloids and in fact tar itself has psychoactive properties, so when you vape, you are detoxing from UNCOUNTABLE chemicals including tar.... it was hard for me as a heavy smoker to get over that.) They are PRICY, I certainly can't vouch for their vaping *safety* but it works for me... My goal with the WTA was to use it as a transition device. You can do yourself a favor by switching to additive free cigarettes, if you can do that, so you are not being "rewarded" by your usual chemical soup, though you're still going to get tar. But, that's one way to go. Try reducing the variables and transitioning slowllllly.... I did that, and I'm glad. When my WTA runs out I'm not buying more as it's SO expensive. But, you can do a search on WTA/Nic salts on here to see if you think it would help.

Other strategies-- look for things about vaping that you think might be fun-- for me it was DIY juice, to start. I plan to build coils later on down the line, but... I felt SO good when I made my first juice.

Reward yourself! When I hit close to a month I bought a bunch of vape equipment and supplies. I was like, "Okay, I'm committing to this." But reward yourself for an hour, for not smoking a cig first thing in the morning, for making it *one less cigarette* etc. Even though it seems silly, the self-reward works. I had to identify what kinds of things would even be "rewarding" to me, because I was so used to rewarding myself with cigarettes.

Also, I'd think it would be hard to quit smoking with a product that one's spouse isn't thrilled about. Maybe said spouse needs some vape information as far as health, or maybe said spouse needs to be ignored. It's totally hard to DO anything when a spouse is sending messages that are "Damned if you do, damned if you don't." You might tell your spouse that many here have "deescalated" their vaping over time, whether it's with types of juice, less chain-vaping (I vaped like a chimney to start, now I can go hours), or less nicotine eventually leading to 0 nicotine, then quitting. Not everyone does that, but some people do. Most people report stopping vaping is very much easier than quitting tobacco. That might be something to point out to spouse.

Forget about all the times you failed. I'm serious. I had to forget that I failed with vaping before many times and approach it as new-- it was new, as vaping has made a great deal of progress, and having a community here to blather at about my vaping wins or losses was SO helpful. As well as getting suggestions, and knowing that I was in a different place in my life, and I had different motivations. I could care less if vaping was MORE expensive than smoking as I FEEL so much better. I really was the kind of smoker who felt fairly helpless as far as "I guess I'm just going to die of whatever smoking related illness...." But I changed my attitude, and part of that would be support HERE, if your spouse is not being supportive.

I wish you all the luck in the world, I truly do. You CAN do it, invest in yourself and research stuff, and DO what you need to to quit. You can.

:)

Anna
 
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