Looking for a DNA 20 device

[SpEeDy314]

Hey guys,

I am a rebuilder of coils and have experimented/tried just about every method of rebuilding my attys in the last 6 months. So after a while, I eventually tried out micro coils using cotton and have fell in love with it. I've been using micro coils in almost all my builds: kanger protanks, t3s, rda's, genesis, pretty much everything I own. But all of my mechanical or vv/vw devices don't really have the power to push those micro coils to their fullest extent. I'm looking for a DNA 20 device (have been for a while). I had my eyes set on the Futura for the longest time, I loved the way it looked, the specs, the fact that it was a tube mod that accommodates any size battery, etc.. When they released the preorder for them, I had a good job and could afford it at the time. But things have changed recently and I can no longer afford the Futura DNA 20 device. I need your help on recommendations/suggestions on a DNA 20 powered device, tube mod only please, (I am not a fan of box mods) that is affordable and worthy of its price. My budget is anywhere from $100-175, MAYBE $200 tops but only if that is with all the different tube portions and additional goodies included at that price. With my new job, unfortunately, I don't have the money to purchase a really high end device nor do I have the time anymore to look around, watch reviews, and read through these forums so if you guys could please please please help recommend a budget friendly DNA 20 tube mod that has excellent performance, has high standards in the vaping community, especially you guys, is popular, affordable, and is aesthetically appealing from a good source or vendor, I would be sincerely grateful. Thank you!!!!

 

[Sad Society]

I don't think a cheap DNA tube mod exists...unless you get a DNA and build it yourself. If there is such a low priced DNA tube mod, I think ppl would be all over it and there would be talk on ECF about it.

But how much can you afford? The DNA chip on it's own is about 50 bucks and whatever company/supplier uses it in their mod need to make a profit, so any such company/supplier is gonna probably charge 100 plus bucks for it. They need to make a profit too, sorry to say.

 

[SpEeDy314]

Yeah, that's what I was hoping not to hear. Unfortunately, I'm not a modder, so I wouldn't be able to build one myself :/ i can spend maybe $200 tops, and that is pushing it a bit too far for me :/

 

[dice57]

Hi and welcome. If you are building micro coils and using mechanicals, you should have no problem surpassing the output of a DNA 20 on your Mechanical. A .5 ohm coil will put you in the 34 watt range drop it down to .3 ohms and that's about 56 watts. With the right battery it's not that hard to achieve.

I've seen the Wizards apprentice evolved, Wizard's Apprentice EVOLVED , a DNA 20 build, great build and all, but the price tag on it is pretty high, 250 Euro. and are hard to find. But hey know all about wanting something and finding ways to get it. Good luck, but you might have better luck building your own.

 

[Silverlock]

Well if your not in a huge rush you might think of holding off for a bit and see what happens with the DNA20 clones, The Amax is already at the wholesale suppliers and once they start going mainstream the price may come down on some of the more reputable DNA20 devices. Vapor Joes did a write-up on the Amax that you can find here, I've not seen any vendors that actually carry it yet but it shouldn't be too much longer before a whole slew of them start popping up.

 

[SpEeDy314]

Very true, I'm using Sony 30A batteries in my mechs, and I'm running it with dual micro coils in my rda at .5 ohms. But the reason I want a DNA 20 is so that it could regulate it, and I won't have to worry about my vape suffering slowly at the mercy of my dying batteries. My kick won't work with sub ohms, which now leads me to believe that DNA 20 devices can't do sub ohms either.....? Please tell me I'm wrong or otherwise creating this whole thread just became useless :/

 

[Credo]

Not 'DNA' powered, but you can do over 30 Watts with them and stay under 5 amps:
Saber Touch MAX VV
Saber Touch VariVolt

I'm pretty sure the Buzz Pro can get there in watts as well:
Buzz Pro - notcigs.com

You can also go with an all mech clone and go 3.7v sub-ohm or 5v NiMh (if you hate the idea of stacking batteries) if you really need 20+ watts power. You could even throw in a Kick 2 and still stay in your budget if you look at mech clones.

 

[Credo]

Very true, I'm using Sony 30A batteries in my mechs, and I'm running it with dual micro coils in my rda at .5 ohms. But the reason I want a DNA 20 is so that it could regulate it, and I won't have to worry about my vape suffering slowly at the mercy of my dying batteries. My kick won't work with sub ohms, which now leads me to believe that DNA 20 devices can't do sub ohms either.....? Please tell me I'm wrong or otherwise creating this whole thread just became useless :/

A Kick 2 can do .5 Ohm coils and above and can do PWM up to 15 watts.
DNA 20d can do 1 Ohm coils and above and can do PWM up to 20 watts.

My understanding..
When working in low resistance ranges the PWM stuff is often bypassed until the battery voltage dips below what is needed to produce your set wattage...then PWM kicks in as a 'booster' until the battery voltage drops below a certian level under load (3ish volts?).

You can see actual data sheets for the devices here:
http://www.evolvapor.com/datasheet/dna20.pdf
Evolv LLC - Shop Now

It's also possible to build a DNA matrix for up to 24 watts using DNA 12 chips.
These can take coils down to 1.1 Ohms.
http://www.evolvapor.com/datasheet/dna12.pdf


I'm thinking a new DNA 30 or better should be out pretty soon I hope so anyway!

 

[dice57]

I have the kick 2 that I use, it accepts builds down to .5 ohms and has an output of 15 watts. A very excellent consistent vape, but maxes out at 15 watts, so will use it on my 1 ohm builds and higher, but with my .5 ohm build I prefer straight mech. when it gets down to about 3.6 volts, or around 25 watts, I change out the battery when the vape starts lagging that low. Some of my rba's can't wick at the high watts, so don't go sub ohm on them, and they are great at 15 watts, but my Aqua can put out. Lowest I've gone is .5 because of the limit on the kick 2, and my current build just rocks, so will stay at that level for now. But personally, I'd be most likely disappointed with the DNA 20, since it is still limited on total watt output of 20 watts, and I notice vape lag at around 24 watts. Now if they had a DNA 50, then that would be worth vaping about.

 

[Sad Society]

Very true, I'm using Sony 30A batteries in my mechs, and I'm running it with dual micro coils in my rda at .5 ohms. But the reason I want a DNA 20 is so that it could regulate it, and I won't have to worry about my vape suffering slowly at the mercy of my dying batteries. My kick won't work with sub ohms, which now leads me to believe that DNA 20 devices can't do sub ohms either.....? Please tell me I'm wrong or otherwise creating this whole thread just became useless :/

The DNA can only go about 1 ohm regulated. The DNA will let you go under 1 ohm but it will not regulate it.

 

[ronpaek100]

The DNA can only go about 1 ohm regulated. The DNA will let you go under 1 ohm but it will not regulate it.

what does that mean it will let you fire but it won't regulate it? what does it fire at if you go lower than 1 ohm? whatever the battery voltage is at? it will act like a mech mod without any regulating?

 

[Thrasher]

while its pushing the 200 dollar mark check the futura dna
we started receiving the preorders this week, check out the last few pages of the thread for pics

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ng-futura-modular-dna-20-apv-nexgenvapor.html

 

[suspectK]

Futura..good luck for not waiting forever for restocking, cheapest one I know of..

 

[Alejandro Rayas]

If only you liked box mod version cause vapor shark seems good for the price 160 i think with shipping plus they can repair and replace it too for a price i would of got one if i didnt love the look of the dna 20 nes

 

[Sad Society]

what does that mean it will let you fire but it won't regulate it? what does it fire at if you go lower than 1 ohm? whatever the battery voltage is at? it will act like a mech mod without any regulating?

Yes,...what you said. That's what that means.

 

[SpEeDy314]

I just wish there was a mechanical mod with some sort of indicator that tells you the battery voltage remaining, maybe a screen or a light indicator somewhere with green, yellow, and red dots that change color telling you what the battery status is. That would make it so much easier so that you know when to swap out batteries.

 

[SpEeDy314]

I actually only have the smoktech kick, and I don't think it does sub ohm period :/ i tried, and got nothing. I even called the vendor, and they said it can't do sub ohms. So unfortunately, my .3 ohm dual coils won't work with that smoktech kick. Wish I would've known that before purchasing it.

 

[Credo]

what does that mean it will let you fire but it won't regulate it? what does it fire at if you go lower than 1 ohm? whatever the battery voltage is at? it will act like a mech mod without any regulating?

My understanding:

With a sub-ohm atty:
It goes into bypass mode until the battery voltage drops to a point where the signal is 'below' whatever wattage you've set the DNA for. At this point it will attempt to 'boost' the signal up to your set wattage until the battery is drained too low to get there, then it stops (low voltage battery protection).

In short, it theoretically could boost with a sub-ohm coil (if your battery had a high enough mah rating), but it doesn't buck.

So it IS still 'regulating' in the upward/boosting direction.

In theory you could actually surpass 20 watts while in this mode (I.E. 35 watts from a 0.5 Ohm coil when the battery is fresh off the charger @ 4.2v).

At least that is 'my understanding'.

As the battery goes down, you can see on a DNA set to 20w, with coils from around 0.7 Ohm and up, that it WILL start regulating upward at some point over the course of the battery charge cycle (if the under load battery voltage is still at safe levels).

To get the 'the low end' of a DNA board (I.E. 5 watt vaping), you'd want a 3 Ohm atty, but such an atty would probably top out at around 15 watts on the high end.

If your sweet spot is above 10 watts, then drop to stuff from 0.7 - 2 Ohms.

The point of such a board is that you don't need to go deep into sub-ohm territory to get a 20W vape. You don't need 0.2 Ohm quad coils when you can go with more wraps in one or two coil builds without the lag, etc. You still get over-voltage, short circuit, and heat protection.

For stock Dual coil carto fans...it's a blissful setup.

For those who are constantly trying/using different toppers, it's a sweet board.

If it's true that the name of the game is 'surface area' in the coils...then all you have to do is find the point where you can have more wraps in fewer parallel coils and still not experience any noticeable lag-time in heating up the coils.

 

[dice57]

I just wish there was a mechanical mod with some sort of indicator that tells you the battery voltage remaining, maybe a screen or a light indicator somewhere with green, yellow, and red dots that change color telling you what the battery status is. That would make it so much easier so that you know when to swap out batteries.

The vape coming out of my atomizer tells me when it's time to change out battery, once my vape goes from spectacular to merely outstanding, I know I've dropped to about 3.6 volts and my wattage is only about 25 watts, time to swap out battery.

 

[Credo]

The vape coming out of my atomizer tells me when it's time to change out battery, once my vape goes from spectacular to merely outstanding, I know I've dropped to about 3.6 volts and my wattage is only about 25 watts, time to swap out battery.

True, and when someone who wants to use a Mech w/o kick is a bit apprehensive about over-drain, remind them that it never hurts to take the battery out and recharge it 'too soon'. It's only the other way around that is an issue