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[Vaslovik]

I've been using a Kanger Protank with a Vision 1300 MaH battery for a while now, and for the most part it's given me good performance, but the coils seem not to last very long. I'm a heavy chain vaper which I'm sure has something to do with it, but it really does seem to me that a coil should last me more than a day or so.

I got up this morning and started vaping on my Protank/Vision spinner rig, and got nothing but thin vapes that were not worth drawing. Changing out coils with others I'd used previously didn't help at all, and it looks like I need a new coil again. I've been using 1.8 ohm coils and they are great, for about a day and a half, then they just get weak on me, producing thin vapes that just don't get it at all.

I rebuilt 3 of my own coils, with 32 ga. nichrome wire and 3mm silica wick, and those worked wonderfully, producing rich cumulus vapes... for about half a day, then they went quickly downhill. So what's going on here? Am I just too heavy a vaper? Could it be the juice I'm using? The juice is heavily VG. Could it be building carbon up on the coils until they don't work anymore?

I'm relatively new to vaping being just two months into it, but I'm really hooked on it and eager to learn all the ins and outs of it. So is there a remedy for the thin vape problem? Why are my coils only lasting a day or two? Should I use higher resistance coils and more current?

Another thing, I got the Vision Spinner 1300 MaH thinking it would last me longer than the 1100 MaH batteries I had, but such is not the case, I get about 4 hours of vaping out of it before I have to put in on the charger. This does not seem right when the 1100's lasted me all day, and I'm wondering if my Vision Spinner is going south on me already after only two weeks.

Up until this morning my Kanger Protank and Vision spinner have given me rich and satisfying morning vaping with my coffee, but now it's gone bad on me, and I can't get a decent vape out of the rig at all. I'm bummed about this and would appreciate advice.

 

[Levitys]

Ahhh, That Morning Vape What a bummer you aren't enjoying yours!

I can't say with any certainty but it almost sounds like a dying battery :/

Have you thought about moving up to a mech/RBA?

I think it would be a good step for you as your already building your own wicks

I wish I could be more help to you!

 

[Vaslovik]

Ahhh, That Morning Vape What a bummer you aren't enjoying yours!

I can't say with any certainty but it almost sounds like a dying battery :/

Have you thought about moving up to a mech/RBA?

I think it would be a good step for you as your already building your own wicks

I wish I could be more help to you!

Well I really cannot afford a mech or an RBA, I'm at the limit of my budget as it is, and it really does seem to me that my batteries could not all be going dead at the same time. I've only had the Vision spinner for a week and a half, and it was fully charged when I got up this morning, as were the other two batteries. I think the issue is in the coil rather than the batteries.

I just put a fresh 3mm wick coil in the Protank, 4 wraps at 3.3 volts, and the rich full vape is back, but I know it's not going to last long. So what? Do I need to wrap my wicks tighter? Am I just too heavy a vaper? Should I go with 5 or 6 wraps? Enquiring minds want to know...

I've ordered a bunch of 32 ga. kanthal wire and a bunch of braided 3mm silica wick which should be here Monday, and I think I'm going to be getting very good at rebuilding coils.

 

[Cookster]

What voltage are you setting the Spinner? If you're at max 4.8 volts, you'll definitely get less run time.

 

[AttyPops]

1) Double-check stuff and clean the connections/threads on both sides (battery and coil).
2) Yeah, it's the juice (probably). Heavier, darker, sweeter/tobacco-ier juices do that. VG does it too. Gunk city.
3) Wrap the coils loose, not tight, on the wick. Some people put a needle in the wick while wrapping to help hold it and also when removed it loosens things up a bit.

Try rinsing the head/wick in hot water and "warm burn" it to dry.

 

[Vaslovik]

What voltage are you setting the Spinner? If you're at max 4.8 volts, you'll definitely get less run time.

As I said before I'm running the Vision spinner at 3.3 volts. I've tried going as high as 3.8 volts when the coils start failing at 3.3, which does no good. I've never gone as high as 4.8 volts with any coil.

 

[Vaslovik]

1) Double-check stuff and clean the connections/threads on both sides (battery and coil).
2) Yeah, it's the juice (probably). Heavier, darker, sweeter/tobacco-ier juices do that. VG does it too. Gunk city.
3) Wrap the coils loose, not tight, on the wick. Some people put a needle in the wick while wrapping to help hold it and also when removed it loosens things up a bit.

Try rinsing the head/wick in hot water and "warm burn" it to dry.

Ah, thank you sir! I suspected the juice, I get black carbon thick on the coils in there with VG, which I understand is a form of sugar and will deposit a lot of carbon. I'm about to start making my own DIY juice shortly, and I'll be starting out with a 50/50 PG/VG mix.

I do use a needle through the wick when wrapping, just like in the YouTube video I saw on coil making. I have tried rinsing the heads in warm water, but it has not seemed to help. Next I will try soaking them in cheap vodka, another fix I've heard of. When the vape starts going thin on me the first thing I do is clean the connections and check for juice getting down into the battery head, which I've seen before.

Question: What is dry burning? I've heard mention of that practice. Why is that done and for what reason? Seems to me that it would just give you a burnt wick and a nasty taste after that.

 

[Cookster]

Sorry, missed that

Are you checking your coils? Do you have a multimeter?

If you're only running 3.3 volts, 4 hours on a 1300mah Spinner seems to me that the battery is defective. I usually run 4.2-4.4 volts, chain vape, and the 1300 lasts 7-8 hours.

I also soak my heads in peroxide overnight.

Dry burning is when you pulse the coil at 3-5 second intervals until it glows red. THEN STOP!

 

[AttyPops]

Dry burning is making it glow red while the wick is DRY. (Note the high-ping method is a whole method though so not to confuse it with the general concept of "dry burn").

That's why I used the term "warm burn"...the wick is still wet and you just dry it (steam it) to dry the wick and flex/heat the coil. The water cools the coil with evaporative cooling so it's less likely to pop.

The dry burn is a resurrection method for an otherwise useless coil that can't be cleaned with the warm burn. The warm burn is more-or-less a normal cleaning method whereas dry burn is a last resort. You take it beyond the warm burn and try to turn the gunk into ash. It takes practice because if it doesn't get red hot it doesn't work, but too far too fast and you pop the wire.

So I view it as a progression. 1) Just soak/rinse. 2) Soak/rinse and warm burn to dry coil. Repeat. 3) Dry burn (ash stuff).

What some people are doing is warm burn, but they call it dry burn even though it isn't. Particularly since they don't turn that gunk to complete ash.

In all cases let the coil cool a bit before you rinse it with cold water and shock it

 

[Vaslovik]

Sorry, missed that

Are you checking your coils? Do you have a multimeter?

If you're only running 3.3 volts, 4 hours on a 1300mah Spinner seems to me that the battery is defective. I usually run 4.2-4.4 volts, chain vape, and the 1300 lasts 7-8 hours.

I also soak my heads in peroxide overnight.

Dry burning is when you pulse the coil at 3-5 second intervals until it glows red. THEN STOP!

Well sadly I do not as yet have a means of checking the resistance of my coils, however that will change Monday or Tuesday. I was fortunate to get a notice from Smoktek that the much sought after spiffy little ohms tester everyone is out of stock on was in, and I ordered it as fast as my fingers could type. It has shipped and is on it's way.

Gosh I really hate to think my new Vision 1300 spinner is defective, I was about to buy a second one so I could rotate them. I should say that I don't wait for the battery to run completely down, but put it on the charger before then, and it takes about 3 hours to charge back up on the 420 Ma charger. I set it to 4.2 volts for charging as I have heard is recommended.

I still think my main issue is with the coils and juice, rather than the battery. Peroxide eh? Well I shall have to try that! Do you find that this gets the carbon off the coils?

 

[Cookster]

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my Spinners, I have 2 1300mah and 2 900mah. Let's try process of elimination, and hope it's just your coils, and not the battery.

I like the peroxide better than alcohol, you can actually see the little bubbles doing their job. I use a lot of dark, sweet juices, so peroxide and dry burning are a must for me.

Also, cleaning your connection on the Spinner with isopropyl alcohol and a q-tip is a good habit to get into.

 

[Kirkwood]

Could it be the wire? I thought I read or heard somewhere that nichrome wire does not hold up as well as kanthal.

 

[rasmith1959]

Question: What is dry burning? I've heard mention of that practice. Why is that done and for what reason? Seems to me that it would just give you a burnt wick and a nasty taste after that.

Dry burning is where you pulse power through your atty's coil till it glows red. What this does is burns off the gunk buildup that accumulates on your coil. Here's a video that shows how to do it, this is for an EVOD, but it's the same principle for the ProTank as they can use the same atty heads:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BMcvsuBYJo

Now your wick is made of silica and is fireproof so it won't burn. If you rewick using cotton then doing a dry burn isn't possible. Just remember to rinse out your atty after a dry burn to remove any ash.

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[mh1972]

I still think my main issue is with the coils and juice, rather than the battery.

I run into the same problem lately with my rba, I switched to 100% VG juice and the coils only last a couple days,

 

[Vaslovik]

Dry burning is where you pulse power through your atty's coil till it glows red. What this does is burns off the gunk buildup that accumulates on your coil. Here's a video that shows how to do it, this is for an EVOD, but it's the same principle for the ProTank as they can use the same atty heads:

YouTube



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ummm... the link does not get me the video, just YouTube's home page...

 

[rasmith1959]

ummm... the link does not get me the video, just YouTube's home page...

Try it now as I just edited the link.

 

[Vaslovik]

Try it now as I just edited the link.

Got it, and thank you