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Regulators, digital displays, switches, controlled by tiny chip cards, these are all basic inventions. These are all found in calculators worth a dollar. Funny thing is, they don't have to invent the battery. For $200+ you still have to buy atomizes/cartomizers manufactured by others, not them. For $200 I'd have expected them to invent the whole thing, which includes innovative cartos/attys, juice feeder, you know, the whole PV, not just the housing. Compared to a portable shaver, it IS a basic device.
Come on, man. You're basically buying looks. Naa, I have plenty of shiny pens and I just bought a new flashlight that clamps, stands, LED never needs replacing, 100 lumens, with super-bright white LED. All for 30 bucks.
I know this post is offensive/insulting to others. Moderators can delete it if they want to. I'm just saying we customers need to expect more from our money.
Ladies and Gentlemen, though I too think the OP might be stretching a bit, since when are we a community who shames our newcomers, even for a fib?
The man makes a valid point, claims of longevity aside. I seem to have witnessed a handful of the original manufacturers who allegedly pioneered the initial wave of the e-cig drop the quality of their product to meet the primary costs of producing to meet a rising demand. Sort of like how there are still cars from the 70's on the road here and there, but you don't see too many cars from the 80's that are still running. Perhaps indeed they don't make them like they used to. Well, THEY don't, I know quite a few who make them much better.
The man makes a valid point, claims of longevity aside. I seem to have witnessed a handful of the original manufacturers who allegedly pioneered the initial wave of the e-cig drop the quality of their product to meet the primary costs of producing to meet a rising demand. Sort of like how there are still cars from the 70's on the road here and there, but you don't see too many cars from the 80's that are still running. Perhaps indeed they don't make them like they used to. Well, THEY don't, I know quite a few who make them much better.
...the basics of ALL PV's are the same, a batt and some form of atomization device...you can buy a 6bux kit from DeaXtreme which will last less time than the shipping to receive...you can get a 30bux kit that will last 6mos and you can get a guaranteed for life model for a little over a Franklin...right on upto a model that will wipe yur ...., lick you fingers not mention, monitor and control all aspects of your vape while lasting a lifetime for around 250...the point is, there is all sorts of gear for all sorts of folks, whether it is strictly for NRT or a really nice hobby...the choice is always yours/ours to make...........
madjack
p.s. ain't nobody got three years of daily use out of any PV...ifso, I wanna know a brand name, even if out of bidnezz....mj
p.s.s pssssst, buddy, wanna buy a ski area in Louisiana...for cheap...............mj
p.s.s.s. why do I smell a drive by posting here..................................mj
madjack
p.s. ain't nobody got three years of daily use out of any PV...ifso, I wanna know a brand name, even if out of bidnezz....mj
p.s.s pssssst, buddy, wanna buy a ski area in Louisiana...for cheap...............mj
p.s.s.s. why do I smell a drive by posting here..................................mj
At least you're being honest.
It's not only about durability, it's about features and functionality for me when it comes to portable devices. My wife knows what I want. She recently bought me a high-end electric shaver/hair trimmer, made in the US. She could have bought a cheaper alternative, but she won't. When it comes to cars my taste is mostly based on looks first, inside and out, before anything else.
I will repeat, I don't think you know what goes into at least a few of the high end models. I have met one of the three electrical engineers that devolped the Darwin. I am no engineer, so I can not validate all that he told me. But they didn't make that model in a garage. They designed it, secured the parts, bought the automated, robotic machines to manufacture it, package it, market it and hired the people to run the machines to manufacture it, package and ship it.
Guys like you who have never run a company with a payroll and overhead like many of us, have no clue what it costs for personnel, insurance, building space, salaries, travel expenses, etc, especially for a small start-up company unlike a large established company. If you did, you wouldn't make comments about something you know little about.
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You can get mad as much as you want, but IT IS a basic device compared to the devices I mentioned here. In due time, you will realize that for $200 you can get more from your money than what they offer today.
I'm not mad. I'm just disproving your less than knowledgible comments about some high end models.
Penstyle, 501,, 901, kr808d, etc that are cigarette-like looking batteries are temporary and last most users only a short period of time (mine lasted 3-4 months). atomizers for these devices lasted me 2-3 weeks. I enjoy vaping and have moved on from these entry level devices about a year and a half ago. I know I will be vaping for a long time, so I have many back-up mods, supplies, DIY juices, etc. As far as supply and demand mentioned in the opening thread, consumers have been heard and listened to by suppliers regarding quality of the merchandise we're buying, as there are many quality ecig manufactures (cop orate, small business, personal modders, etc). This forum helped me decide on many e cigs I've purchased in the past and I imagine that it will continue to do so in the future.
Did you buy one with crui$e control, electric window$/lock$/$eat$, etc.? Just wondering...
I want someone to invent a cartomizer that lasts 3 years. I would buy 50 of them to accommodate each of my favorite flavors.
OP must be from China when Runyan released the first ecig for sale. Who knows, a 3 year atty might have been possible back then. Lord knows you can't get ANYTHING these days to last 3 years...I don't care what it is. Even new cars breakdown within that time...not saying all of them...but some do.
OP must be from China when Runyan released the first ecig for sale. Who knows, a 3 year atty might have been possible back then. Lord knows you can't get ANYTHING these days to last 3 years...I don't care what it is. Even new cars breakdown within that time...not saying all of them...but some do.
OK. I am coming to this a bit late but if the OP really did get 3 years out of an atomizer, I wonder how many ml was vaped. I judge longevity of hardware by the ml, not by the days, months, or years it lasts. Maybe, just maybe the OP only went through 30-60 ml in those three years.
Hey, I can't beat google as far as authority goes, but I was in high school (96 to 2000) and saw it. My guess is there's some dude in America pretty ...... that his idea didn't get any traction in the late 90s.
Edit: Wikipedia: The electronic cigarette concept first appeared in a patent acquired by Herbert A. Gilbert in 1963. The device was described as, "...a smokeless non-tobacco cigarette ... to provide a safe and harmless means for and method of smoking by replacing burning tobacco and paper with heated, moist, flavored air..." While the 63 patent was never manufactured, I don't think it's too much of a stretch that some version was distributed/sold at electronics expos prior to 2003. What I remember seeing was white, longer than a cig but about the diameter. I remember the "puff" my Dad took did have visible vapor, but there was no light on the thing. I don't know what it was called, just that he made a big deal about it being the "future of smoking". Don't know how many pieces or anything, I was not a smoker at the time and had no interest in anything my father said or did (I mentioned I was a teenager, right?).
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