Lorann flavoring???

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There are some eliquids that use flavored oils. Radiator Pluid from Mad Murdock is one I can think of off the top of my head. It's been my ADV for almost two years. I think the general consensus is about the same as the D/AP argument. You'll have some that say don't do it and others that say it's ok. I use Lorann's oil in one of my DIY liquids.

So you can say I'm sort of "meh" about the vaping of oils issue as well as the D/AP issue. I think the question is whether you feel comfortable doing it. If you don't want to take the risk then don't do it. I can only speak for myself, and would never tell someone something is safe or not safe to use.
 

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There are some eliquids that use flavored oils. Radiator Pluid from Mad Murdock is one I can think of off the top of my head. It's been my ADV for almost two years. I think the general consensus is about the same as the D/AP argument. You'll have some that say don't do it and others that say it's ok. I use Lorann's oil in one of my DIY liquids.

So you can say I'm sort of "meh" about the vaping of oils issue as well as the D/AP issue. I think the question is whether you feel comfortable doing it. If you don't want to take the risk then don't do it. I can only speak for myself, and would never tell someone something is safe or not safe to use.
Thanks man. Yeah I'm not worried about safety of use as god knows I've put way worse chemicals in my body years ago lol I just didn't know if they would taste ok and bind with pg VG or were meant for like essential oils for skin or something.
 

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There are some eliquids that use flavored oils. Radiator Pluid from Mad Murdock is one I can think of off the top of my head. It's been my ADV for almost two years. I think the general consensus is about the same as the D/AP argument. You'll have some that say don't do it and others that say it's ok. I use Lorann's oil in one of my DIY liquids.

So you can say I'm sort of "meh" about the vaping of oils issue as well as the D/AP issue. I think the question is whether you feel comfortable doing it. If you don't want to take the risk then don't do it. I can only speak for myself, and would never tell someone something is safe or not safe to use.

Research lipoid pneumonia ... then make your own decision.
 

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I have ... and I have. That's why I said it's about the same as the D/AP debate. Haven't seen any cases of LP caused by vaping oils, just as with the D/AP debate. That's why I said for the OP to make their own decision.

Really? I'm fairly certain there have been reported cases of lipoid pneumonia due to people DIYing niquids without doing appropriate research first. If I'm not mistaken there was at least 1 death.

There are significant questions relating to D/AP. There is no question that inhalation of oil-based substances causes lipoid pneumonia. There is no comparison between the two.

I hope that you do not end up with adverse effects ... both for your own health and for the substantial damage that it would do to the vaping industry.
 

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Really? I'm fairly certain there have been reported cases of lipoid pneumonia due to people DIYing niquids without doing appropriate research first. If I'm not mistaken there was at least 1 death.

There are significant questions relating to D/AP. There is no question that inhalation of oil-based substances causes lipoid pneumonia. There is no comparison between the two.

I hope that you do not end up with adverse effects ... both for your own health and for the substantial damage that it would do to the vaping industry.
That death was because the doctor said his bottle of e-liquid "looked oily". (if that's the one you're referring to) as seen here, about halfway down:
Why vaping does not cause lipoid pneumonia

The comparison I was making was whether vaping oils or D/AP actually causes those conditions or not. That's the debate I was referring to.

Thank you for your concern.
 

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"A separate 2011 incident in the United Kingdom involved a man whose widow claimed he suffered lipoid pneumonia before his death that same year. However, subsequent reports indicated that the man used an "oil" in his e-cigarette, and that practice is neither common nor recommended for vaporized nicotine devices. Vegetable glycerin and propylene glycol are the only base liquids widely considered acceptable for use as a base in e-cigarette liquids." (Emphasis mine)

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"A separate 2011 incident in the United Kingdom involved a man whose widow claimed he suffered lipoid pneumonia before his death that same year. However, subsequent reports indicated that the man used an "oil" in his e-cigarette, and that practice is neither common nor recommended for vaporized nicotine devices. Vegetable glycerin and propylene glycol are the only base liquids widely considered acceptable for use as a base in e-cigarette liquids." (Emphasis mine)

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HAHAHAHA!! There is a big thread on this exact report somewhere here. "Claims" and "unsubstantiated" we're all I needed to see/read...

I don't know whose mind you're trying to change on this subject but it's not mine. Here's a little tidbit on the subject that isn't sensationalist journalism or a Facebook post! LOL!!

Can E-Cigarettes Cause Lipoid Pneumonia? - Vapor News

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"The presence of essential oils is not uncommon in some e-liquid flavourings (particularly in citric fruits, menthol). However, essential oils are not oils (not lipids) in a strict sense; the term “oil” in essential oil is a misnomer. Hence, they cannot cause lipoid pneumonia.

Essential oils are to be distinguished from aroma oils (essential oils dissolved in an oily solvent).

Clearly, the presence of essential oils may be potentially irritant and hypersensitivity could develop in susceptible individuals. But this is a different story.

JD: Are there any types of oil based flavourings that could lead to lipoid pneumonia?

Not that I am aware of (but see answer below)."







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HAHAHAHA!! There is a big thread on this exact report somewhere here. "Claims" and "unsubstantiated" we're all I needed to see/read...
I don't know whose mind you're trying to change on this subject but it's not mine. Here's a little tidbit on the subject that isn't sensationalist journalism or a Facebook post! LOL!!

Can E-Cigarettes Cause Lipoid Pneumonia? - Vapor News

(Quote from the article)

"The presence of essential oils is not uncommon in some e-liquid flavourings (particularly in citric fruits, menthol). However, essential oils are not oils (not lipids) in a strict sense; the term “oil” in essential oil is a misnomer. Hence, they cannot cause lipoid pneumonia.

Essential oils are to be distinguished from aroma oils (essential oils dissolved in an oily solvent).

Clearly, the presence of essential oils may be potentially irritant and hypersensitivity could develop in susceptible individuals. But this is a different story.

JD: Are there any types of oil based flavourings that could lead to lipoid pneumonia?

Not that I am aware of (but see answer below)."







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Your exactly right man I think people get misguided by lorann "OIL" but doesn't mean its an essential OIL they are used in food just like capellas TFA etc... Lol I'm with you 100%
 
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Your exactly right man I think people get misguided by lorann "OIL" but doesn't mean its an essential OIL they are used in food just like capellas TFA etc... Lol I'm with you 100%

Thus my question to you as the OP: is an oil included in the ingredients list ... which you never answered.

I don't know that I'd consider Snopes to be sensationalist journalism, but whatevs. It's your life you're gambling with.
 
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Your exactly right man I think people get misguided by lorann "OIL" but doesn't mean its an essential OIL they are used in food just like capellas TFA etc... Lol I'm with you 100%
What he's saying is essential oils like Lorann's are ok to use, but stuff like "aroma oils" and Olive Oil are NOT! And yes before you ask, there was a guy that against EVERYONES advice, including mine, thought was fine to vape!


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What he's saying is essential oils like Lorann's are ok to use, but stuff like "aroma oils" and Olive Oil are NOT! And yes before you ask, there was a guy that against EVERYONES advice, including mine, thought was fine to vape!


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Exactly couldn't have said it better. After today experimenting with there flavors I'd say same as others pg VG whatever it is. Now flavor wise I don't care for and will never use all stick to capellas and tfa. But like you said its not something you use as aroma therapy etc its used just same as other flavors are imo
 
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