Lost and confused.

[angnjc]

I have read all about battery safety, read all about what coil ohms are safe with certain batteries and I have read all about coil building. So my problem is.........everyone recommends a different battery for everything and different size kanthal for everything.

I have my first nemesis coming in about a month and I will more than likely be placing a kfl+ on top. So can someone please please PLEASE tell me the best but cheapest batteries (18650, 18500, 18350), kick and kanthal size for said nemesis setup with coil ohms in the 1.8 range. I don't want to subohm and I get great vapor from the juices I buy.

Also as a side note I may at times want to use my 1.8 ohm carto tanks and 1.8 ohm bottom coil tanks on the nemesis. I had thoughts of buying a caravela or stingray also before my nemesis arrives, if I do would all the above mentioned work with these mods also?

Thanks for any help you can offer.

 

[Sikko]

It's going to come down to how you want to use the mod. 18650 is going to make for a longer mod, nearly double the length of the same mod with an 18350.

With the resistance you stated, you would be pulling about 2.3 amps, which would be well under the amp limit on any of those AW IMR batteries. You would want to know the continuous draw amp rating for any other brand.

Any kanthal gage will work, just going to depend on the size of the coil and wick you want to use.

The higher gage kanthal the thicker the wire, the more resistance per the same length.



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[angnjc]

I already own a vamo v3 so I have 18650 and 18350 batteries. I know the size of kantal will make different ohm coils.

Simply put..... I will be using 28-30g kantal (I am rebuilding my kanger coils), I just need a simple and easy answer....
example: buy xxx brand xxx mah battery, I would prefer smaller with longest life.
buy xxx kick

Sorry if I seem pushy, I'm just lost and confused mainly which battery for the setup I wish to have. Everyone seems to prefer a specific brand/type of battery. I just want to know if there is a plain and simple "xxx battery will work for your needs" answer.

 

[Killaq2188]

all a kick does is turns your mech mod into a vv mod. as for batteries, mnke 18650 1500mah have a 60amp pulse and 30amp continuous output, i know the lime green sony have a 30 amp continuous and the purple efest has 35amp continuous if im not mistaken.

 

[Killaq2188]

I personally use the mnke but I also sub ohm vape around .3-.5 but AW imr are a very good brand as well .

 

[Glock Rock]

The reason we can't really give you a straight answer is because we don't really know how you plan to use the device. We don't know what resistance you plan to go with. If you don't plan to go sub ohm, then an AW IMR 18650 2000 mAh will probably do you just fine. It will give you plenty of battery life and will be safe for coils that don't go much in to the sub ohm. they can go a little bit sub ohm, but not by much. If you plan to be dropping that resistance down to, say, 0.3 ohm, then that battery isn't going to do it. the 1600 mAh version of the AW IMR battery will have a higher amp limit and can therefor go a bit lower on the resistance, but if you're going to drop really low then get a battery with a 30 amp limit.

As far as kanthal is concerned, run to Amazon and pick up some Temco brand 28 or 30 gauge A1 Kanthal wire. 28 will give you a lower resistance than 30.

Hope it helps. It's the best I can do with the information I'm given.

 

[dannyrl]

Amp output is one of the biggest safety factors when deciding on a battery. If your setup demands an amp output that is larger than what your battery can put out, bad things can happen really fast.

If you're going to go into rebuild-ables, Ohms law will be your best friend. Your mod will be outputting about 3.7V, and the resistance of your atomizer is your preference.

Using V=IR (voltage = current * resistance), you can build an coil to a specific resistance so that the current draw is to your liking.

Power (wattage) through your coil determines the strength of your hit. P = VI (Power = Voltage * Current) will help you calculate what current you want.

Using these two equations, you solve for current with the Power equation, then use that value and solve for what resistance you want.

So say you like to vape at 9 watts through a single coil. Using P=VI >>> 9 = (3.7)(I), in this case, your desired current will be 2.43 A. Plug that into V=IR >>> 3.7 = (2.43)(R), resistance of your coil should be about 1.5 ohms.

Now hypothetically, what if you build that set up and put in a battery that could not supply that current? Well, I hope your KFL isn't in your mouth because BOOM.

Current supply isn't the only safety factor of a battery though, material and build quality are also important. A super cheap China no-name battery *could* blow up under "normal" working conditions because of poor build quality and/or material. So you saved $4 on a battery, but now you have to pay for face surgery. You decide where your money should go.

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The gauge of your wire is mostly preference and will play a part in how large/how much resistance your coils will be. As gauge goes up, resistance goes up. Say you wanted to build that 1.5ohm coil I used above. If you used a high gauge wire, you will need less wire to build that coil resulting in a smaller coil. If you used a low gauge wire, you will need more wire resulting in a larger coil. But if you wanted to go sub-ohm, single coil (say, 0.8 ohms), a high gauge wire may be unable to reach such low resistance, while a low gauge wire can.

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Lastly, as long as your atmoizer/clearo/whatever has a 510 connection, it will fit on your Nemesis and fire (though you may not get a good hit due to their high resistance).

 

[Killaq2188]

You did an awesome job explaining that!!!!

Amp output is one of the biggest safety factors when deciding on a battery. If your setup demands an amp output that is larger than what your battery can put out, bad things can happen really fast.

If you're going to go into rebuild-ables, Ohms law will be your best friend. Your mod will be outputting about 3.7V, and the resistance of your atomizer is your preference.

Using V=IR (voltage = current * resistance), you can build an coil to a specific resistance so that the current draw is to your liking.

Power (wattage) through your coil determines the strength of your hit. P = VI (Power = Voltage * Current) will help you calculate what current you want.

Using these two equations, you solve for current with the Power equation, then use that value and solve for what resistance you want.

So say you like to vape at 9 watts through a single coil. Using P=VI >>> 9 = (3.7)(I), in this case, your desired current will be 2.43 A. Plug that into V=IR >>> 3.7 = (2.43)(R), resistance of your coil should be about 1.5 ohms.

Now hypothetically, what if you build that set up and put in a battery that could not supply that current? Well, I hope your KFL isn't in your mouth because BOOM.

Current supply isn't the only safety factor of a battery though, material and build quality are also important. A super cheap China no-name battery *could* blow up under "normal" working conditions because of poor build quality and/or material. So you saved $4 on a battery, but now you have to pay for face surgery. You decide where your money should go.

-----

The gauge of your wire is mostly preference and will play a part in how large/how much resistance your coils will be. As gauge goes up, resistance goes up. Say you wanted to build that 1.5ohm coil I used above. If you used a high gauge wire, you will need less wire to build that coil resulting in a smaller coil. If you used a low gauge wire, you will need more wire resulting in a larger coil. But if you wanted to go sub-ohm, single coil (say, 0.8 ohms), a high gauge wire may be unable to reach such low resistance, while a low gauge wire can.

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Lastly, as long as your atmoizer/clearo/whatever has a 510 connection, it will fit on your Nemesis and fire (though you may not get a good hit due to their high resistance).

 

[angnjc]

I plan to use 1.8 ohm coils, regardless if it is on the kfl or carto tank or protank. No sub ohming I like a warm to cool vape.
I figured in the kick because it would help with not draining the battery to far.
I never plan on buying batteries other than from amazon or local b&m. Not FT but don't see a point in paying more because someone thinks their battery is made of gold.

 

[dannyrl]

In that case, just go with whatever name brand battery you feel comfortable paying for. 1.8 ohms isn't going to demand much current draw so any 18xxx battery should be fine.

For wire, I'd do around 30. If you're sticking to 1.8 ohms for sure, that should get you there fine.


I didn't see that you already did your research on coil building so when I saw the thread title, I just went into my normal spiel of explaining everything, my bad lol.

 

[angnjc]

In that case, just go with whatever name brand battery you feel comfortable paying for. 1.8 ohms isn't going to demand much current draw so any 18xxx battery should be fine.

For wire, I'd do around 30. If you're sticking to 1.8 ohms for sure, that should get you there fine.


I didn't see that you already did your research on coil building so when I saw the thread title, I just went into my normal spiel of explaining everything, my bad lol.

Thank you. That was the answer I was looking for. 1.8 ohm coils is perfect for me, I have no desire to sub ohm. I like simple but nice looking and long lasting vape gear. Thank you again.

 

[ForeverDiving]

The higher gage kanthal the thicker the wire, the more resistance per the same length.

Actually it's the opposite on both concepts; the higher gauge means a thinner wire (it's based on how many diameters of the wire fit in a given area) and OTOH, the thicker wire, given the same composition, will offer less resistance..

 

[Myrany]

I typically run in the 1.2-1.9 ohm range depending on the atty. I use 30 gauge Kanthal for all of them just more or less wraps to get what I want ohms wise. GIven a choice I use AW IMR 18650s or Panasonic NCR18650 PDs for batterys.

 

[edyle]

The best is hear is supposed to be the sony vtc batteries.

But basically stick to batteries on this list:

Baditude




(9) Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected ICR?



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As mod users, we depend heavily upon batteries. To assist novices to choose which battery to use in their mod I have written this guide. Our choices are IMR, protected ICR Li-Ion, and a new class of Hybrid batteries.

High quality IMRs are currently recommended in place of Protected Li Ion for all applications. (reference - Rechargeable Batteries)

IMR (Li Mn) batteries are the safest batteries available to us for vaping. They use safer chemistry, so they don't require protective circuits like ICRs do. They have higher tolerence to stress, and although they may vent during failure it is less likely to be as dramatic as a ICR. Should protective circuits fail in ICRs they can vent violently in flames.


•High Quality, Brand Name Batteries. Batteries are not created equal. Mod battery experts recommend the following brand name IMR and hybrid batteries:


AW IMR
18650 2000mah 10Amp CDR
18650 1600mah 24A
18490 (1100mah) 16.5A
18350 ​(700mah) 6A

MNKE IMR
18650 1500mah ​20A

Panasonic ​or Orbtronic hybrid
CGR18650CH (IMR/hybrid) 2250mAh 10A
NCR18650PF (LiNiCOMnO2) INR/ICR/IMR Hybrid 2900mAh 10A
NCR18650PD (LiNiCoAl) 2900mAh 10A
Orbtronic 18650 SX22 (hybrid) 2000mAh 22A
Orbtronic 18650 SX30 (hybrid) 2100mAh ​30A

Sanyo
UR18650EX 2000mAh 20A

Samsung hybrid (LiNiCoMnP)
INR18650-22P 2200mAh 10A
INR18650-20R 2000mah 22A

Sony hybrid
us18650v3 IMR 2250mAh 10A
us18650vct3 1600mAh 30A
us18650vtc4 2100 mAh 30A

EH IMR
18650 2000 mAh 16A
18650 1500 mAh 22A
18500 1100 mAh 8.8A
18350 800 mAh 6.4A

Efest IMR
18650 (IMR/hybrid) 2250mAh 10A
18650 2000mAh 10A
18650 1600mAh 30A
18490 1100mah 8.8A
18350 800mah 6.4A

 

[angnjc]

Thanks Edyle, I have been trying to find that info. I came across it once and then could not find it again. Thank you to everyone that replied. I own imr batteries, I just was confused because everyone kept saying "I use xxx and it's the best" statements, just wasn't sure if I had missed some new info on batteries.

 

[Myrany]

Thanks Edyle, I have been trying to find that info. I came across it once and then could not find it again. Thank you to everyone that replied. I own imr batteries, I just was confused because everyone kept saying "I use xxx and it's the best" statements, just wasn't sure if I had missed some new info on batteries.

There are some new batterys out there and other ones not on that list. Mostly folks who are going that way are people on the bleeding edge of vaping. Since you are not planning on sub ohming you have many tired and proven batterys to choose from on that list