LR attys killed my 18650s

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Haytoni

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Anyone else have their 18650s refuse to take a charge after using them with low resistance attys? I had to buy two new ones as mine were finished after just a week of use in LR mode :ohmy:
I don't like them, one I used on the 510, only got a day out of it, then pooped the bed, the other 2 I have for the 801, tried it ....but dang it just doesn't taste the same, taste burnt) as the stock atty, so I am putting them in deep storage. I will not purchase LR Attys again.
 

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I don't like them, one I used on the 510, only got a day out of it, then pooped the bed, the other 2 I have for the 801, tried it ....but dang it just doesn't taste the same, taste burnt) as the stock atty, so I am putting them in deep storage. I will not purchase LR Attys again.
Regarding your (and my) LR 801s: I think 1.5 ohms is too low for the 801 (which normally is 3.5 ohms). I'm grooving on EastMall's 801 attys: not even called "LR", but they are definitely lower than 3.5 (perhaps 2.6 - 2.8 ohms). [They even work on the regular 280 mAh 801 battery, at least EastMall's.] And I'm curious about Ikenvape's 2.0 ohm LR 801's.
 

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I have been using them exclusively for 3 months and I dont let my bats get low at all. I use 14500's and at full charge are 4.1 to 4.2 and only let them run down to about 3.6v. I like it better with a full charge and just keep the batteries rotating and havent had one attie or battery die on me. I have killed a atty but it was my fault LOL
I think the trick might be to only use them down to a half charge then charge them again. Running them down to nothing seems to kill them. I might experiment with an old 510 battery and a 5v passthrough. But i'm not using my 18650s with them again.
 

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I am trying to wrap my head around the issue.

I assumed the battery and atomizer were autonomous units.....which need a connector switch to act as the go between. Could the connector switch be the problem?

I was using 18650s in a silver bullet with LR 801 style attys. It's a vape monster until the batts die after a couple of charges. Like I said, I guess the trick is to not run them down too low.
 

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I have been using them exclusively for 3 months and I dont let my bats get low at all. I use 14500's and at full charge are 4.1 to 4.2 and only let them run down to about 3.6v. I like it better with a full charge and just keep the batteries rotating and havent had one attie or battery die on me. I have killed a atty but it was my fault LOL

I will try that. Six hrs or so on each batt then swap and recharge :)
 

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I think the trick might be to only use them down to a half charge then charge them again. Running them down to nothing seems to kill them. I might experiment with an old 510 battery and a 5v passthrough. But i'm not using my 18650s with them again.

Well just a little tid bit... protected batteries should prevent the batteries from discharging to nothing (EMPTY) but yes your are right it would be ideal to charge them earlier in the discharge process...

Even standard atties put extra wear on LI-ion batts.. that's why the manufacture life specs won't be achieved by the way we use them in PVs

So using a LR atty discharges the battery even quicker... hence the reason people suggest using them on higher mah batteries rather than standard ecig batts.... so the 18650's are ideal since the mah is soo large and an early charge and swap won't be as frequent.

Also it is why the High Drain batts are suggested to be used since the drain is a little more at a satisfying rate for the LRs

Just remember batteries are fickle so the milage could vary between sets.. I use LR's mostly now using High Drain, but I still use them on the smaller battery EGO and had no problems YET... but I have no doubt that LR's on ANY
battery will shorten the life compared to standard atties.

also IMO LR atties on @ 3.7v battery is better on a battery's life then using standard atties @ 6v because of the discharge pattern of utilizing stacked batteries...
 

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I've blown several 801 2.0ohm LR attys using 17670s in a Chuck. The same attys work great with other batts in the chuck or my BB. (they're IkenVape) But if use the 17670s the blow an atty in under 3 min of light use. I have great results using 18650s with 2.0 LR attys from Iken though. Ones about 1 1/2 month old and I use it all the time and haven't noticed any batt problems.
 

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I will try that. Six hrs or so on each batt then swap and recharge :)
It really has seemed to make a difference. I can usually tell when they get down a little in charge and know its time to swap. Been about 2 hours or so average on the 14500's. It like the flavor diminishes a tad from the full charge and just know its time. Plus its so nice at the 3.6 to 4.1v range. I have some 1.5 and 1.8 to 2.0 atties and they all seem to act the same in requards to it.

Well just a little tid bit... protected batteries should prevent the batteries from discharging to nothing (EMPTY) but yes your are right it would be ideal to charge them earlier in the discharge process...

Even standard atties put extra wear on LI-ion batts.. that's why the manufacture life specs won't be achieved by the way we use them in PVs

So using a LR atty discharges the battery even quicker... hence the reason people suggest using them on higher mah batteries rather than standard ecig batts.... so the 18650's are ideal since the mah is soo large and an early charge and swap won't be as frequent.

Also it is why the High Drain batts are suggested to be used since the drain is a little more at a satisfying rate for the LRs

Just remember batteries are fickle so the milage could vary between sets.. I use LR's mostly now using High Drain, but I still use them on the smaller battery EGO and had no problems YET... but I have no doubt that LR's on ANY
battery will shorten the life compared to standard atties.

also IMO LR atties on @ 3.7v battery is better on a battery's life then using standard atties @ 6v because of the discharge pattern of utilizing stacked batteries...
I aggree totaly Duck and the xtra draw from the atties does seem to diminish the life of the battery with the way we abuse them.
 

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I was using 18650s in a silver bullet with LR 801 style attys. It's a vape monster until the batts die after a couple of charges. Like I said, I guess the trick is to not run them down too low.
I've been using an LR 901 in my SB for several weeks now without any problems. I've got 18650's and I rotate them our every morning whether they need it or not.
My LR 801 Atty. (from Iken) pooped the bed in under a day on my REO, just for what it's worth. Haven't found any LR Atty that will live on my REO so far, so I switched 6V with HV Attys.

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we're also avoiding the obvious white elephant in the room.... that being which 18650 batteries?

the quality and QC of the *fire batteries are a known issue with the grey 2400 trustfire and the 3000 red and black ultrafires seeming to be the worst of the bunch...
Oh, so true. The ones I am using are the gray Trustfire 2400's.


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Oh, so true. The ones I am using are the gray Trustfire 2400's.


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yeah those are one of the ones where the QC seems to be a crapshoot...

have you seen this thread? LiIon 18650 battery comparison - CandlePowerForums


So perhaps, part of the compounded problem with the OP is that he got poor quality batteries and the LR atties are componding the problem...seeing that a LR atty would be a 2.46A draw which would probably mimic the results of the 3A that that guy graphed out
 
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